Are SSD Accelerators Any Good?

MrSeb writes "When solid-state drives first broke into the consumer market, there were those who predicted the new storage format would supplant hard drives in a matter of years thanks to radically improved performance. In reality, the shift from hard drives (HDDs) to SSDs has thus far been confined to the upper end of the PC market. For cost-conscious buyers and OEMs, the higher performance they offer is still too expensive and the total capacity is insufficient. SSD cache drives have emerged as a means of addressing this situation. They are small, typically containing between 20-60GB of NAND flash and are paired with a standard hard drive. Once installed, drivers monitor which applications and files are accessed most often, then cache those files on the SSD. It can take the software 1-2 runs to start caching data, but once this process is complete, future access and boot times are significantly enhanced. This article compares the effect of SSD cache solutions — Intel Smart Response Technology, and Nvelo Dataplex — on the performance of a VelociRaptor, and a slow WD Caviar drive. The results are surprisingly positive."

Comments

bcache

[Anonymous Coward]

For Linux users: http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/

Lets you use any SSD as a cache in front of another filesystem.

Re:bcache

[drinkypoo]

Lets you use any SSD as a cache in front of another filesystem.

It would be niftier if it would let you use it as a block cache in front of any filesystem, instead of just one located on a specially-prepared partition. dm-cache will do this but isn't up to date.

Re:bcache

[antifoidulus]

Flashcache is a block-level caching algorithm, which means that it will work with any device, but it takes a metric TON of memory as it has to retain cache info for every block on the device. If you have the memory then yeah, you can get some speedup from it, but if you are memory constrained eating up that much memory for the small performance boost isn't worth it.

Re:bcache

[Anonymous Coward]

For Linux users: http://bcache.evilpiepirate.org/

Lets you use any SSD as a cache in front of another filesystem.

For ZFS users:
* read cache: zpool add {pool} cache {device}
* write cache: zpool add {pool} log {device}

Re:bcache

[ShoulderOfOrion]

Why bother? I have an HDD mounted as /, and an SSD mounted as /usr on my Gentoo system. Using atop I consistently see the HDD receive 10-20 times the writes the SSD receives but only about 2x the reads. In other words, on Linux the SSD is already serving primarily as a read-only caching filesystem just by mounting it correctly.

Re:bcache

[Gaygirlie]

You should not expect much speedup from using a 10Mbyte/s memory card in front of a standard 150 MByte/s sustained transfer drive.

You said it yourself: "sustained." The whole point with ReadyBoost is that it uses these Flash-devices for matters where low latency is more important, sustained transfer-rate is therefore not important. It doesn't even try to cache multi-megabyte files, it caches small files and details that are accessed frequently: a regular HDD is quite bad at reading dozens of small files from all over the disk due to seek times.

If the small files are stored in your cache, you might save some seek time. But you can't compare some ultra-slow USB / SDHC card to a 2-300 Mbyte/s SSD.

That's what I said.

I tried the SDHC, did not work well. A fast USB 3.0 stick in a USB 2.0 port was way better, but still does not compare to SSD.

If you were expecting SSD-level performance then you clearly didn't understand fully what you were doing in the first place. It is not meant to replace an SSD, it is simply meant to speed up your system as compared to only using a regular HDD.

Re:bcache

[Skal Tura]

USB latency is actually rather high. Infact, rather VERY high.

Absolute minimum latency for a fetch is 16ms on USB port. It seems this has had some work on it, now being 125Hz rate by default, instead of 90.
But still 8ms for sending request for file, device gets it, let's assume it's ultra fast and takes just 3ms to find, fetch and prep reply packet (and assuming fits on 1 packet), it means 16ms has been spent BEFORE the data can be sent back, 24ms for the whole round trip.

HDDs seek faster than this, SO if your HDD is not having other activity, for single fetch your HDD is faster. Unless it's Caviar Green.

No.

[Anonymous Coward]

Hybrid drives or mixed mode setups kinda suck ass now that actual ss drives are getting to a reasonable price/size.

SSD for os/programs.

Giant TB+ drive for storage and media files.

Re:No.

[wbr1]

For the average joe, they dont want to have to manage putting os/apps/frequent files on one drive and split the rest elsewhere. Software that automagically does this and keeps the cache up to date is a boon for the non power user.

Re:No.

[Eskarel]

I'm sick of this myth. The math I've done indicates that, presuming that the drive is doing a halfway decent job of spreading the writes around, most cheap SSDs are rated to allow you to write the entire volume of the drive every day for about 30 years. Now personally I don't even come close to doing that, and your average physical HDD is rated for about 5 years, with 10 being a seriously long life.

If you buy a reasonable quality SSD at present your drive will not last long enough to see a significant level of NAND failure and what will kill it will be one of the million things that kills HDDs on a regular basis.

Re:I have seen SSDs used just to load the OS

[pla]

To me it is not worth it to watch your os boot faster.

First of all, putting the OS on a disk by itself doesn't only mean that Windows runs faster - The OS reads and writes to its files on a near continuous basis. For years before SSDs, we've known that simply getting that activity segregated onto its own disk, away from "real" file activity, gives a decent performance boost across the board; moving it to an ultra-fast random-access media helps even more (and even if you don't care about boot time, how about "responsiveness"? Every time Windows needs to wait for some stupid little icon to load, you need to wait for Windows to wait for some stupid little icon to load).

Second, SSDs have gotten a lot bigger and a lot cheaper. You no longer need to decide between spending a fortune or segregating your apps out; a $60 SSD will hold the OS and every app you could ever possibly run, with plenty of room to spare. Yes, you'll still want that second big-slow-and-cheap HDD for general purpose storage, but you haven't needed to carefully weigh "on which disk should I install this program" for at least a year.


Flash ram is not a permanent solution and will die due to the limited number of writes.

And you think a drive with actual moving parts will live forever?


Make no mistake, SSDs have their flaws, and cost definitely still counts as one of them. But once you really use a system set up with SSD system / HDD data, you'll never even consider going back. And mere boot time has nothing to do with it.

Re:I have seen SSDs used just to load the OS

[cdrudge]

What also is not addressed in the article is the reliability of the SSDs. Flash ram is not a permanent solution and will die due to the limited number of writes. If you use mysql or MS access or run low on space and use XP that thing will be dead in a matter of months. It can only handle so much paging and writes before it dies. Tricks in the firmware move the write bits to random places in memory to prevent this but as it fills up the paging needs to keep to keep hiting the same memory addresses.

There are a variety of different ongoing tests to look at how long drives actually last. Looking at a fairly standard older Intel 320 40GB drive, it went 190TB written before the MWI threshold was reached, and continued on until 685TB. That means it completely rewrote the drive 17500+ times.

No, it won't last forever. And it's not ideally suited for every single industry and use. But for the typical user, they are more likely to need a larger drive or otherwise upgrade then wear out the drive.

Pointless

[AlienIntelligence]

SSD's were recently @ $1/Gig. That's when I upgraded everything.

I've seen them as low as 55-65c a gig now. Yeah... gotta love how
tech drops in price RIGHT AFTER you decide to adopt.

Buy a WHOLE SSD drive. Put all the programs you use daily on it.

120G ~ $70

That is all.

FWIW, except for bulk storage, I will NEVER buy a spinning HD again.
I experienced a RIDICULOUS speed up, going from a 7200rpm drive.

-AI

No mention of OS requirements

[antifoidulus]

The article doesnt mention any other software(mostly OS) requirements for the accelerators, which is a pretty big deal. Basically there are 2 ways to cache:
1. On the file level, which isnt very resource intensive(there aren't nearly as many files as blocks on a disk), but requires that the accelerator be able to read file system metadata(and of course be able to intercept OS calls) which severely restricts what kind of file system, and really even operating systems, you can use with the accelerator
or
2. Block-level caching. Much more generic, can really be used with any file system as the blocks, not any file system metadata, are the only thing that is used. However managing all that block information comes at a cost, either in main memory or more expensive hardware. For instance Flashcache requires about 500 megs of memory to manage a 300GB disk. Depending on your usage this may be acceptable(though is memory really that much cheaper than ssds nowadays?) but for most it isnt.

From the article I can assume that they only tested Windows, and that really limits its usefulness.

Single Article - Multiple Pages

[Taco Cowboy]

TFA at extremetech isn't that feature rich, nor embarking on a brand new frontier that none of us had ever been

TFA could have been made into ONE PAGE, but no, extremetech ain't gonna let us, the readers, enjoy it in one shot - we had to click through all the 5 pages

Please, Slashdot !

Next time you give us a link to a single TFA with multiple pages, please indicate it right upfront

Thank you !
 

Re:Single Article - Multiple Pages

[sortius_nod]

Not only this, the claims are at least 12 months out of date. SSD's are now less than $1/GB, & the average drive sold now is 120 or 128GB.

I upgraded my desktop with a cheap solution (AMD A8, 990FX, 16GB RAM, 128GB SSD, 2TB HDD) all for less than my last upgrade cost ($669 vs $955) 3 years ago. SSDs are definitely part of the norm now, we order many machines with dual 128MB SSDs in them, both laptops & desktops. The price difference is negligible, so this article seems more like a cry by someone attempting to hold onto the old way of doing things.

Re:Single Article - Multiple Pages

[obarthelemy]

Not all of us are gamerz ?

Re:Simpler solutions tend to be superior.

[gman003]

I would recommend buying an SSD, putting the OS and all applications on it, and then using a magnetic drive as the "users" volume. Any sanely laid out OS makes this very easy.

Just an FYI for everyone, Windows does not count as a sane OS for this purpose. I managed to render a Windows install unusable trying to do that.

The best trick is to move just specific user's folders, not the whole Users directory, over, and then symlink it back to the original location. Trying to move the entire \Users folder almost always breaks something, often rendering it impossible to log in. Other methods either require setting up your own unattended install disks with odd config files, or do not work completely.

The general process:
1) Install Windows to the SSD as normal
2) Create a user account and a backup account. For this demonstration, their original, default home folders will be C:\Users\GMan and C:\Users\Admin
3) Reboot (to log both out completely)
4) Log into the backup account, otherwise the system will choke while copying your registry files
5) use Robocopy to copy the user folder to the hard drive (robocopy C:\Users\GMan D:\Users\GMan /COPYALL /E)
6) Delete the user folder (rmdir C:\Users\GMan)
7) Symlink the folder on the hard drive back to the SSD (mklink /J C:\Users\GMan D:\Users\GMan)
8) Repeat for any other users, but note that you only need one "backup" account

This gives a few advantages:
1) It works transparently with programs that assume you are at C:\Users\[username]
2) It copies all user data, not just documents/images/videos
3) If the hard drive fails, you don't break the OS - you can log in using the alternate account (Admin in my example) to try to recover things
4) If you really wanted to, you could try to set some specific files in your user directory to be on the SSD
5) If you have a Windows install, or at least recovery partition, on the hard drive, either drive can fail without rendering the system unusable.

complete BS

[slashmydots]

SSD aren't just for high end systems. Out of my 300 or so past customers, approx 3 filled their hard drives to over 60GB total. I built several Kingston HyperX 90Gb and OCZ Agility 4 128GB drives without problems and they were all $500-600 final cost. I use an H77MA-G43 from MSI + 4GB Gskill 1333-CL7 memory and i3-2100 or 4GB 1333-CL9 and a Pentium B940-960. Put it in a decent $30-40 case, use an Antec VP450 or Basiq or other respectable but medium end PSU, and wait for a sale on Win7 64-bit OEM copies for $80 instead of $100 and you've got yourself an unbeatable, 7 year anticipated lifetime machine. Here's the kicker.

I have an i5 (sandy) ridiculous gaming computer with a GTS450, 8GB of CL7 RAM, P67 chipset, and a pretty fast 7200 RPM 1TB Seagate main drive. It's custom built and would be around $1000 retail at my shop (at the time at least). It takes over a minute to log in and it takes forever to load games.

I also built a system I'm selling for $520 with a Pentium B950, 4GB of pretty standard RAM, and a Maplecrest 60GB SSD. It logs into Windows in 4 seconds. The glowing balls don't even touch while loading the Windows 7 logo.

SSDs are not for high end systems only! They're specifically exactly the opposite. They're the best way to make a really cheap budget PC seem extremely fast.