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Wikileaks DDoSed Again

twoheadedboy writes "After being hit by a '72-hour' DDoS in May, WikiLeaks is claiming to be under attack yet again. All its sites appear to be down and fingers have already been pointed at government entities. WikiLeaks, posting on Twitter, said it had its suspicions of why it was being targeted. It was either because of its ongoing releases related to Stratfor and Syria, or because of an upcoming release, Julian Assange's organization speculated. The fact that everyone is currently engrossed in the Olympics may have given attackers good reason to target the websites right now, WikiLeaks said."

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  1. Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    to stay in the spotlight.

    1. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Desler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It's amazing how these DDoSes conveniently happen at around the same time Julian's name starts fading from the news headlines. Do we have independent verification that there really is a DDoS and not just more of Assange media whoring?

    2. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by benjfowler · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Interesting.

      It probably wouldn't be hard for that loony to get some of his mates to DDoS the Wikileaks website whenever they need to raise a bit more money to keep Assange in his high-flying superspy lifestyle.

    3. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 3, Funny

      He isn't really high flying he has been under house arrest in England for quiet a while

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    4. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I guess last week's little stunt with creating fake documents under some else's name didn't get them enough publicity. Time to move on to a good old DDOS.

    5. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by crazyjj · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually he's currently hiding out in the Ecuadorian embassy in London, trying to dodge extradition to Sweden (and likely, to the U.S.).

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    6. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      I guess last week's little stunt with creating fake documents under some else's name didn't get them enough publicity.

      Assuming that was even them and not a false flag operation from one of their MANY enemies.

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    7. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Desler · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Except that they admitted to doing it? OMG! Wikileaks itself is a false flag operation!

    8. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by HungryHobo · · Score: 1

      thank you for this. My opinion of wikileaks just dropped through the floor.

    9. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by bug1 · · Score: 1

      You think an organsation dedicated to public disclosure would censor themselves by disabling their own servers.

      Thats a lot of tinfoil.

    10. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, let's take your comment at face value, and assume that claiming a DDoS is happening is a good way to get back into the limelight. Is there ever a time for Wikileaks when claiming a DDoS is happening is actually not a good way to get extra publicity?

      They release data and get DDoSed - they can claim they are to be silenced.
      They have been quiet for a while and get DDoSed - they have something to talk about.

      Those are pretty much the only relevant situations I can think about. In short, every possible DDoS situation can be spun as beneficial publicity for Wikileaks. This means that your approach is utterly useless in determining whether the DDoS is real. Now, do you have some actual proof that the DDoS is fake, outside of your personal dislike of Assange?

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    11. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Desler · · Score: 1

      Since it will get their name back in the news worldwide? Sure.

    12. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Meditato · · Score: 1

      Baseless speculation.

      First of all, Bill Keller really did write an enormous ad-hominem piece on Assange. The Keller hoax was childish revenge, sure, but it was NOT just done for no reason.

      Second of all, the idea that Wikileaks would DDOS itself (thus removing the ability for anyone to actually hit the "donate" buttons on the site) is completely nonsensical. Wikileaks doesn't have the resources to hire a botnet to do that (and they'd need a botnet owing to the secure host Wikileaks uses).

      Third, Assange may be vain, but his publicity stunts are mostly confined to revenge and his extradition case. He seems to be pretty preoccupied with getting asylum, his leaks, and his work for RT.

      I don't think your conspiracy theory makes sense on multiple levels.

    13. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Desler · · Score: 1

      The classic tactic of trying to shif the burden of proof. I'm not the one making positive claims about some global conspiracy to DDoS my website to silence me. If they want to claim that some government is DDoSing them, they need to prove it.

    14. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by kiwimate · · Score: 1

      I guess last week's little stunt with creating fake documents under some else's name didn't get them enough publicity.

      Apparently not, since this is the first I've heard of it, at least. Out of interest, was it posted on Slashdot?

    15. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by ACE209 · · Score: 1
      actually there seems to be intent
      http://justice4assange.com/US-Extradition.html

      29 February 2012: Stratfor e-mails have revealed that a sealed indictment has been issued by a secret grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, for Julian Assange. The email is dated 26 January 2011. This means that there has likely been a sealed extradition order for over a year, which will be activated (unsealed) against Assange in Sweden, Australia and the UK when the US Government gives the order.

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    16. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by crazyjj · · Score: 1

      Don't call something "likely" when there's no precident, evidence or expressed intent for it.

      Don't kid yourself. There is a reason Sweden has went to such extraordinary lengths to get him back (for a crime he hasn't even been charged with) and why they've twice now refused to question him in both the UK and Ecuadorian embassy. And it isn't because they've suddenly decided to become great defenders of justice for women who've both expressed ambiguity about the whole case.

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    17. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 2

      True: Wikileaks makes a claim, and they need to back it up. However, your claim is not for proof, but to the motivation of Wikileaks under circumstances that make it impossible for them to disprove your claim.

      I'd say your claim is actually worse than Wikileaks'. At least with all the shenanigans that have been going on, a DDoS attack is about the most benign thing to happen to them. Probably not a government, but most likely some Antileaks-type organization. Yours, on the other hand, is a simple attempt to smear Wikileaks and Assange as media whores by employing an argument that is best likened to "Have you stopped beating your wife?"

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    18. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by elucido · · Score: 1

      actually there seems to be intent

      http://justice4assange.com/US-Extradition.html

      29 February 2012: Stratfor e-mails have revealed that a sealed indictment has been issued by a secret grand jury in Alexandria, Virginia, for Julian Assange. The email is dated 26 January 2011. This means that there has likely been a sealed extradition order for over a year, which will be activated (unsealed) against Assange in Sweden, Australia and the UK when the US Government gives the order.

      Under what law? I don't see how you can charge him when he's not a US citizen and wasn't in charge of classified information. I guess foreign countries can charge anyone in the USA when something leaks to a US journalist?

    19. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by elucido · · Score: 1

      Don't call something "likely" when there's no precident, evidence or expressed intent for it.

      Don't kid yourself. There is a reason Sweden has went to such extraordinary lengths to get him back (for a crime he hasn't even been charged with) and why they've twice now refused to question him in both the UK and Ecuadorian embassy. And it isn't because they've suddenly decided to become great defenders of justice for women who've both expressed ambiguity about the whole case.

      They want to question him so they can attempt to recruit him to work for the CIA I bet.

    20. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by toriver · · Score: 1

      You sound just as paranoid as the "9/11 was a plot to boost Bush ratings" crowd.

    21. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by toriver · · Score: 1

      The Guardian is just biting the hand that once fed them. Maybe they expected their exclusive access to last longer than it did? And then someone leaked the whole shebang.

    22. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by guises · · Score: 1

      True: Wikileaks makes a claim, and they need to back it up.

      What is this claim that they need to back up? That they've been DDoSed? You want them to release their server logs or something? Obviously they can't do that, it would be identifying everyone who reads their site. It's also stupid - Wikileaks has been unambiguously persecuted recently by webhosts and governments and payment processors and it should come as no particular surprise to anyone if some kiddie out there takes it on themselves to go a little further. There's no obligation of proof here, they've made a perfectly plausible claim and if some conspiracy nuts don't want to believe them then showing the real birth certificate isn't going to make a difference.

    23. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      They U.S. will charge whomever they damn well please for any manner of bullshit. Look at what happened to Kim Dotcom.

    24. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by Meditato · · Score: 1

      You are either incredibly naive, stupid, or both.

      By pulling an Ad Hominem, you've forever cast your reliability into doubt! You're obviously a person who does nothing but smear people! I can't trust anything you tell me!

      Oh wait, that's your logic. Huh. How bout that.

      Once you have been caught falsifying a single document, for any reason whatsoever, everything you claim to be true can, should, and must be called into question.

      Nope, that's the slippery slope fallacy. You should analyze motives and context to figure out whether a particular action is likely to be a lie instead of perjoratively declaring that an individual's satirical counter-smear ends all possibility of future truth. It was immature, but Assange was never some sort of bastion of perfection and holiness. He does, however, serve a useful function on occasion.

      Now, if the reason for your organization is not as stated above, but is instead just to embarrass and smear people and organizations you don't like, then the false document makes perfect sense.

      Have they done that on any other occasions? Because if not, you can't declare a trend of "embarrassing and smearing".

      As for the DDOS attack, you don't actually need a botnot to make it appear like a DDOS attack, a simple 'misconfigured' firewall will do just nicely.

      Still going on with that silly conspiracy theory, I see. The site is hosted with others by an organization in Sweden at Bahnhof datacenter. Why would the datacenter wish to harm its reputation by going along with such an action? Up-time is a very critical metric for attracting new customers.

      Additionally, you haven't addressed by Wikileaks would harm the very site that hosts all of its donation information. How can they "donate now" if they can't get the relevant info? People have short attention spans, when the site comes back up it's not going to be as if there are thousands of people rushing all at once to donate to poor Wikileaks. This is the exact opposite tactic a person would take if they were looking for donations.

    25. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by interkin3tic · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't be a good move on their part: the news agencies now have yet another reason to make the story about wikileaks and avoid covering what has been leaked.

      Not to say that means they AREN'T doing that, just that if this is a conspiracy on their part, it's a dumb one. And I guess the media was already doing a great job of it. "American involvement in the Syrian dictatorship? Boring. Kristen Stewart cheating? HELLO FRONT PAGE NEWS!!!"

    26. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by nnull · · Score: 1

      Because wikileaks is bullshit: http://cryptome.org/0002/wikileaks-unlike.htm I don't need to say more. John Young has more credibility than Assange or his wikileak group will ever have.

    27. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by bug1 · · Score: 1

      Now, if you ask "do I think an organization dedicated to smearing and embarrassing people and organizations it doesn't like would do that", then my answer would be yes. And I would also expect them to make up documents to suit their purposes.

      Strange that there are an unusually large number many negative posts made by Anonymous Cowards.

    28. Re:Or WikiLeaks Pulled Its Own Plug... by guises · · Score: 1
      Your link does not paint Wikileaks as bullshit. Mr. Young has some criticisms, mostly he seems to think that Wikileaks could stand to be more open about its operations, but he says the world is better off for having them around:

      It will be a great loss if attacks on Assange lead to loss of public confidence and trust in the initiative, and no doubt that is what some opponents intend. Some of those opponents, you will grasp, are now bear-hugging Wikileaks as putative friends to be sure it it is crippled or fails.

  2. Which Olympic games? by Bill,+Shooter+of+Bul · · Score: 4, Funny

    The cyber attack on Iran, or the ones in London?

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  3. Re:Only getting what they deserve. by 1s44c · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The problem is that according to the US everyone and everything is an enemy combatant. Even the mighty US doesn't have the resources to be at war with everyone at once.

  4. Re:The Jester? by 1s44c · · Score: 1

    The Jester had posted something about Wikileaks with his usual "#ticktock" threat on Twitter yesterday. He seems to have deleted the tweet since then, though.

    That 'Th3 J3st3r' person is an internet troll who conducts minor DDOS attacks in the name of US Patriotism.

    The guy is a moron who is going to end up inside one of the jails of the country he claims to be fighting for sooner or later.

  5. Re:Only getting what they deserve. by overmoderated · · Score: 1

    The US is not that powerful. They invest a lot in propaganda to make the rest of the world believe that they are. They buy their way into everything, which is unsustainable.

  6. Re:ur mum by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 2

    Maybe this is a takedown precursor DDOS like what happened to Demonoid? Gov't entities (or "white hats" working for them or the MAFIAA's) DDOS the site while preparing for a takedown so that the owners/users can't log in and change anything or delete any records?

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  7. group takes responsibility by LG740 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A group calling themselves AntiLeaks has taken responsibility for the attacks. Here are a couple of stories on a german tech site about the group. You can translate it into german. http://www.gulli.com/news/19466-antileaks-ddos-angriffe-als-protest-gegen-wikileaks-2012-08-08 http://www.gulli.com/news/19456-ddos-angriffe-legen-wikileaks-lahm-2012-08-07

    1. Re:group takes responsibility by John+Holmes · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "The very word "secrecy" is repugnant in a free and open society; and we are as a people inherently and historically opposed to secret societies, to secret oaths and secret proceedings. We decided long ago that the dangers of excessive and unwarranted concealment of pertinent facts far outweighed the dangers which are cited to justify it. Even today, there is little value in opposing the threat of a closed society by imitating its arbitrary restrictions. Even today, there is little value in insuring the survival of our nation if our traditions do not survive with it. And there is very grave danger that an announced need for increased security will be seized upon those anxious to expand its meaning to the very limits of official censorship and concealment. That I do not intend to permit to the extent that it is in my control. And no official of my Administration, whether his rank is high or low, civilian or military, should interpret my words here tonight as an excuse to censor the news, to stifle dissent, to cover up our mistakes or to withhold from the press and the public the facts they deserve to know." President John F. Kennedy, April 27, 1961

  8. Re:Only getting what they deserve. by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 2
    Your name tells me you may be trolling, but I'll bite.

    Where can you show me the US government, right now, attempting the extermination of an entire race of people?

    I have as much distrust of the federal government in me as the next guy, but the US !=Nazi Germany. That is hyperbole, and quite honestly is ridiculous.

  9. Re:Only getting what they deserve. by __aaeihw9960 · · Score: 1

    While I agree with you, I do have one question:

    Isn't perception of power just as useful as actual power (or maybe even the same thing)? I don't have to punch you in the face to stop you from pissing me off if you believe that I will do it if you piss me off. Same sort of thing.

  10. Re:Only getting what they deserve. by John+Holmes · · Score: 1

    "Pretend inferiority and encourage his arrogance." Sun Tzu

  11. Re:whats ..olym pics by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Who cares (other than the participant of course) how much time they spend? The only advantage this provides society is perhaps better performance enhancing drugs and dietary programs.

    Otherwise, what benefit is there to being able to do the pole jump a few feet higher than someone else? None. These sports don't translate into real-world usefulness. If I wanted to lift 300kg, I'd use a machine, not risk blowing out my rectum trying to lift it by hand.

    At least someone who devotes their life to programming, construction, architecture, or engineering tends to produce something for society out of that time invested.

    Professional sports as it is today is a gross misallocation of time and money.

  12. DDOS isn't the end of the world by trybywrench · · Score: 1

    How does a DDOS prevent wikileaks from spreading information? Go somewhere else, upload whatever you have to any of the bazillion file upload services then seed the address in the social networks and the rest takes care of itself. I don't think any government thinks a DDOS would prevent information that wikileaks has from being made public. My guess is it's just a publicity stunt by wikileaks themselves.

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  13. Re:whats ..olym pics by BlackSnake112 · · Score: 2

    If they win gold, that is when the pay day starts. How many non medal winning people from the Olympics are on the Wheaties box?

  14. Let me teach you how to get censored by EnergyScholar · · Score: 2

    It's really not very hard to draw attention from people who will censor you or otherwise block your message. Try to distribute information that is inimical to the operations of COINTELPRO spies attempting to manipulate the internet, and you can experience this for yourself. For one example of such forbidden content, read and then try to distribute The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies, which describes in detail the methods used by spies to manipulate internet forums. Slashdot is one forum that is so manipulated, but there are many others. Read that document, then make a concerted effort to get it in front of many eyeballs, and see what happens. After your attempts to communicate are suppressed you will have a much better understanding of "some global conspiracy to DDoS my website to silence me". After such an experience you will be much less prone to doubt others who claim to experience the same thing.

    This author now has so much experience in this area that I can generally tell in advance which material will, and will not, be suppressed, and can often correctly guess which method(s) will be used.

  15. Re:ur mum by farrellj · · Score: 1

    It does sort of hit the "paranoia" button...first the "convenien" DDOS of Demonoid, now Wikileaks....if it *is* taken down, after the DDOS, it will definitely make people wonder who has hired some group to do the dirty work that the IP Industrial Complex would like done....

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  16. Yes there IS atroturfing going on here! by EnergyScholar · · Score: 1

    Read The Gentleperson's Guide to Forum Spies and learn about the many techniques used. You just named several of them. Some of the messages posted above, which you mentioned, probably ARE astroturf. There's been rather a LOT of astroturf on Slashdot lately. The funny thing is, once the readership is EDUCATED about the methods used to manipulate them, those methods no longer work. So educate yourselves, learn how to identify and counter astroturfing, and it won't work as well. Information will set you free.

  17. Good example of an astroturf post by EnergyScholar · · Score: 1

    The post directly above, by an AC, is a case in point. I'm morally certain that whomever posted that brief blurb is an astroturfer.

  18. Re:Not DDoS by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 1

    Ok Slashdot; are you listening? Here's a suggestion for a potentially great post: Publish an analysis of all the IP-addresses connected to down-moderated controversial political comments. Hint: Be thorough and honest and enjoy a very successful article.

    Seriously.
    - A very sincere and convinced "troll"

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