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July Heat Set U.S. Record

gollum123 sends this excerpt from CNN: "The July heat wave that wilted crops, shriveled rivers and fueled wildfires officially went into the books Wednesday as the hottest single month on record for the continental United States. The average temperature across the Lower 48 was 77.6 degrees Fahrenheit, 3.3 degrees above the 20th-century average, the National Oceanographic and Atmospheric Administration reported. That edged out the previous high mark, set in 1936, by two-tenths of a degree, NOAA said. In addition, the seven months of 2012 to date are the warmest of any year on record and were drier than average as well, NOAA said. U.S. forecasters started keeping records in 1895. And the past 12 months have been the warmest of any such period on record, topping a mark set between July 2011 and this past June. Every U.S. state except Washington experienced warmer-than-average temperatures, NOAA reported."

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  1. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It was God punishing people for practicing science so boldly in the open, no doubt.

  2. All except Washington by toejam13 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    According to this report, global warming will make western Washington even gloomier than it already is. So while the rest of the nation bakes, people in Seattle will be perfectly comfortable while they're being glum.

    1. Re:All except Washington by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      If there's no coffee I don't care if there is a future.

  3. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    Of course. It's a coincidence. Not related to AGW or anything. I'm sure it's just the sensors being closer to pavement. Also, it hasn't felt any hotter for me, so it must just be the crazy greens trying to take all our money for their solar companies. Just keep letting me burn my dinosaur.

  4. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by Penguinisto · · Score: 3, Funny

    Urgh.

    Okay kids, time to brace for the usual arguments:

    "Itz teh global WarminGz!"

    "Iz nawt! Itz teh outLiarz!"

    "Yoo Dunt no SHIT abut SCIENCE!"

    (rinse, repeat, ad nauseum...)

    Seriously. Get a grip.

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  5. Re:Brace yourselves by AwesomeMcgee · · Score: 3, Funny

    What about his face?? Such a cliffhanger..

  6. Re:Choose by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Funny

    That's easy: I choose to accept all evidence that fits my predefined worldview (whatever that may be), and pretend any contradicting evidence doesn't exist or is incorrect.

    Hey, it works for a lot of other things, why should AGW be any different?

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  7. Re:What about the rest of the world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Before blaming the elevated temperatures on global warming, does anyone have data on whether or not the globe is also melting along with us?

    Oooo! I do I do!

    Signed,

    Greenland

  8. National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration by Antibozo · · Score: 3, Informative

    Minor correction: the O in NOAA is Oceanic, not Oceanographic.

  9. Re:What about the rest of the world? by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Informative

    I dunno about other areas, but I've read that Europe is also suffering from a very intense heat wave.

    Keep in mind that this doesn't mean that the entire planet will heat up uniformly. Some areas may even become unusually cooler.

    The biggest concern is actually an increase in natural disasters like hurricanes.

  10. Living in Seattle is Killing Me by sandysnowbeard · · Score: 3, Informative

    "Every U.S. state except Washington experienced warmer-than-average temperatures, NOAA reported." Run, children, run from the Pacific NorthWest. Do not come here, the sun does not shine.

    1. Re:Living in Seattle is Killing Me by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      the sun does not shine

      That star gets on my nerves. It ruins expensive stuff; car interiors, house paint... basically anything not made of rock. You end up blinded by it driving east or west. Two sets of expensive eye wear required; one for exposure to the naked fusion reactor and one for everything else. Expose yourself enough and you get any of several forms of skin cancer. Trying to work on the property in the summer is hell.

      Try to appreciate your clouds.

  11. Re:What about the rest of the world? by Sandman1971 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    We Canadians, you're neighbours to the north, also recorded record heat and record (lack of) rainfall in July.
    Hopefully August will be better. As I type this, it's been raining heavily for the last 20 minutes. We've had more rain in the last 20 mins here in Ottawa that we've had the entire month of July. I'm pretty sure I heard my grass cheering.

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  12. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by Internetuser1248 · · Score: 5, Informative

    No it is god punishing you for using fahrenheit.
    25.33 degrees for those that both care and didn't already type '77.6f in c' into google.

  13. Re:Choose, denialists by GameboyRMH · · Score: 4, Informative

    I hope you're being snarky.

    http://www2.ucar.edu/sites/default/files/news/2011/noaa_globaltemp_2010.jpg

    Maybe there was *a* summer as hot in '36 but it's definitely hotter overall than '36.

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  14. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Insightful

    In 1936, according to the article, it was almost as warm. Basically, a "so what?".

    Never read The Grapes of Wrath I take it.

    0.2 degrees higher than the the hottest month on record is certainly a notable event.

  15. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by BasilBrush · · Score: 4, Funny

    Cold temperatures in Celsius. Hot temperatures in Fahrenheit. It's the natural way.

  16. AGW Converts by arthurpaliden · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Ex-sceptic says climate change is down to humans

    "The results of the Berkeley Earth Surface Temperature are in and Richard Muller, the study's director (formerly an AGW skeptic) declares, 'Call me a converted skeptic. Three years ago I identified problems in previous climate studies that, in my mind, threw doubt on the very existence of global warming. Last year, following an intensive research effort involving a dozen scientists, I concluded that global warming was real and that the prior estimates of the rate of warming were correct. I'm now going a step further: Humans are almost entirely the cause.'

    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/30/opinion/the-conversion-of-a-climate-change-skeptic.html?_r=4

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/science-environment-19047501

    CEO Exxon admits AGW is real and burning fossil fuels causes it.

    http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/06/27/exxon-ceo-climate-energy-fears-overblown/

    The natural progression:

    • 1. There is no such thing as global warming!
    • 2. Global warming is theoretically possible, but it's not happening.
    • 3. Global warming is happening, but we are not the cause
    • 4. Global warming is happening and we are the cause but it's no big deal.
    • 5. Ok, we should probably do something about this global warming before it gets worse.
    • 6. We're really fraked now.

    We are now at step 4.

    1. Re:AGW Converts by BasilBrush · · Score: 3, Informative

      52 million years ago is easily long enough for tectonics to feature. The continents weren't in the same places they are now, and ocean currents around Antarctica flowed very differently.

      Oh, and it was also a time of high CO2.

      So I wouldn't go thinking you've made some great rebuttal of AGW there if I was you.

  17. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Should we also rename Fahrenheit 451 to Celsius 232.778?

  18. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by Obfuscant · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And the fact that weather is setting records across the globe year after year right now, is not a concern because equipment used in 1936 had almost the same reading?

    I think the fact that the previous record was set in 1936 pretty much disproves your "fact" that the weather is setting records "year after year". "Year after year" to most people means "every year or two", not "every 7 decades or so".

  19. Re:What about the rest of the world? by Troed · · Score: 3, Funny

    Hi,

    Northern Europe here. We've not seen summer yet this year. It's just cold and wet.

    regards,
    Sweden

  20. I'm ready. by rickb928 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've been watching climate change debates most of my life.

    First, it was the threat of nucler wear, and the nuclear winter to follow. This was well explained, and there wa polenty of data to back it up, and anotehr good reason to abandon nuclear weapons. In the midst of the destruction and poisoning, we would be huddled around burning straw, freezing to death. Women and children would be affected the most.

    Then, it was the new Ice Age, inevitable due to climate cycles that were very well explained and with plenty of data. This was a good reason to either acllerate the adoption of advanced technologies, or to eschew them in favor of a sustainable lifestyle in the coming freeze. Oh, and to get as much oil as possible, just in case. And of course it would cause calamity and chaos, we would need to share resources, and we might get by, but don't count on it. Oh, and women and children woudl be affected the most.

    Next, it's Global Warming, with now massive evidence of the causes and impacts, much more data, and warnings that we need to do everything to both prevent and adapt to it. We need to abandon our technology, improve it, change fuel sources, use fuels that don't cause other harms, and do it all now. NOW. Oh, and women and children will be affected the most, and the soonest.

    Well, if AGW is real, which it seems to be, then I'm ready to both prevent it and mitigate the consequences of what is going to happen no matter what we do.

    Just one thing.

    So far, most of the solutions to AGW rely on taking from me pretty much eveyrthing that makes my life, as a middle-class U.S. citizen, special. I can deal with that, but so far ther eis little real discussion of the problems of the rest of world hell-bent on achieving the same special life as I have. I don't begrudge them that. But I'm concerned that they are going to tip the climate over the edge sooner than I could have, and will not readily listen to complaints that they are ruining things for all of us.

    I expect to give up a lot - I will have to change my diet, my transportation, pay way more taxes, do with less or most everything, and in the end all it will get me is a feeling of contribution. I will not live long enough to see the results. No, I am not that young.

    And I will get the nagging feeling that deep inside this, the truth is, that most of the AGW movement is very, very happy that I am paying for my profiligate lifestyle. Because I neither deserve it, nor shoudl it be even permitted. That bunch has been at it since the Nuclear Winter debate, in one fashion or another.

    Because that is the way it's going. The so-called 98% are taking it in the shorts, while the top 1% cling to their place at the top. And the bottom 1% scheme to take all of that and more from the top 1% first, and then from whoever they designate as their next targets. And when the top 1% is ruined, then it's the next 1% and the next.

    Soon enough, it will be me.

    All so a very few can have their way, and rule us all. They hope.

    Then again, this may not work out that way. If sensible people prevail.

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    1. Re:I'm ready. by bhlowe · · Score: 4, Insightful

      As soon as Al Gore gives up his mansions and jet setting lifestyle, I'll join you in turning off my computers and air conditioner.

  21. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by c0lo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Should we also rename Fahrenheit 451 to Celsius 232.778?

    505.928 Kelvin is better.

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  22. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by NeutronCowboy · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The 5 stages of denial:

    1: It's not happening.
    2: It's happening, but it's no big deal.
    3: It's happening, it's a big deal, but there's nothing we can do.
    4: It's happening, it's a big deal, this is what we can do, but it's too expensive.
    5: It's happening, it's a big deal, this is what we can do, the alternative is worse, so let's just get on with it.

    Alright - we're at step 2 of the denial process! Looks like we've made progress in the last.... 25 years or so. I hope step 3 won't take another 25 years.

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  23. Re:What about the rest of the world? by styrotech · · Score: 5, Funny

    Far from it. Here in NZ it is noticeably colder than it was just 6 months ago. In fact nearly every one of the last six months has been colder than the month before!

  24. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by AlienIntelligence · · Score: 5, Informative

    I love it.... "Take the 1936 Texas below normal temperature out of the mix and there goes your 0.2F record making difference with July 2012." Of course, if you randomly take out data points you don't like, you're going to get the result you're looking for. Not to mention that their entire post focuses on the fact that not all states all linearly increased in temperatures, which betrays a complete lack of understanding of how temperatures are come about.

    FWIW, a graph tends to be of more value if you evaluate and potentially take out outlier points.
    If you are looking for trends. Also, some toss lowest and highest as well.

    Just saying.

    -AI

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  25. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 4, Informative

    I think the fact that the previous record was set in 1936 pretty much disproves your "fact" that the weather is setting records "year after year". "Year after year" to most people means "every year or two", not "every 7 decades or so".

    Back in 2009 they were saying the it had been the warmest decade ever recorded, and the years between then and now haven't been any less exceptional either.

    So yeah, "setting records year after year" is a pretty accurate good description.

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  26. Re:What about the rest of the world? by arkane1234 · · Score: 3, Funny

    It's kinda like coming home and before she says anything, instantly telling your wife you didn't touch that woman at all tonight...

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  27. It IS "every year or two" by mangu · · Score: 3, Interesting

    1936 was an outlier. It happened "every 7 decades or so".

    The last decade, setting YEAR AFTER YEAR records was NOT an outlier.

  28. Re:Hopefully it's an outlier by jcoy42 · · Score: 5, Informative

    No, poster is correct. It's called winsorising. It's common to toss out the top and bottom 5% just to discount anomalies.

    But you don't discount it after you see the data because you don't like it, you plan to discount it before you collect the data and more importantly you do it indiscriminately and equally on both sides of the data set. Not just points you don't like after you see the data.

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  29. Re:Choose, denialists by Fjandr · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The 1936 record was a monthly average record, not a yearly record. Even if we didn't beat it, 1936 wouldn't be in the top 10 yearly records while 2012 will almost certainly be.

    The monthly records prior to 2012 were not all in the same year. The new monthly records are now all from the same year.