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Australian Gov't Drops Plan To Snoop On Internet Use — For Now
CuteSteveJobs writes "Australian Attorney-General Nicola Roxon has been forced to back down on her government's unpopular plan to force ISPs to store the web history and social networking of all Australians for two years. The plan has been deeply unpopular with the public, with hackers attacking the government's spy agency. Public servants at the spy agency promoting the scheme been scathing of the government, saying: 'These reforms are urgently needed to deal with a rapidly evolving security environment, but there isn't much appetite within the government for anything that attracts controversy,' but a document on the scheme released under the Freedom of Information Act had 90% of it redacted to prevent 'premature unnecessary debate.' Roxon hasn't dropped the unpopular scheme entirely, but only delayed it until after the next election."
"90% of it redacted to prevent "premature unnecessary debate."
Democracy at its finest....
Good to see the right thing has been done, for now at least.
I had already moderated on this topic but after reading this post I felt like whoever mod parent down was -1, Disagree.
I understand OP point of view but with something as global as the Internet why should one government or another regulate it?
Either give it to the UN or better, don't regulate it at all. Why should US cops snoop on data that comes from say, Latin America to Canada?
I think that from now on we should be standardizing encryption because the overhead it causes IS worth it.
You're right. Overrated is the wrong mod (well, not entirely). The post was definitely troll/flamebait/redundant. If you don't like the internet, cancel your service. Trash your computer, and buy a typewriter, calculator, Rolodex, some stamps, and a box of envelopes. Don't forget to get a checkbook from your bank.
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> a document...had 90% redacted to "prevent premature unnecessary debate."
I think they meant to "prevent mature, necessary debate on who will be elected next election."
(-1: Post disagrees with my already-settled worldview) is not a valid mod option.
I think we can all safely assume that every government regardless of locale will try to restrict it's citizens rights to the point that the citizens have to respond to stop them. This is the default criteria for a government in the first place. We all know that this will creep back in a little while when the issue becomes less volatile. The only real way to stop it is by acceptance or revolution (e.g. american revolution). I don't forsee any polititians being strung up in trees so it is the fault of the public. You get the government you deserve.
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Clearly one of those trollers hired by governments and spin-doctoring opinion agencies, which by the way are also hired by the government (or by whomever wants to influence public opinion).
Those people are paid to monitor blogs and step in with their 'opinion' whenever there is a controversial subject going on on which the one who hires them wants the opinion to be favourable to his own interests.
Saw the same happening lately on projectcensored.org: someone claiming to be totally innocent and proclaimed he totally trusted Google with all his personal data and wouldn't mind if it were used for anything Google and its affiliates wanted, as long as service remained free of charge. (puke) Anyway, clearly nobody with that kind of personality would never ever visit a website like projectcensored.org, so that was clearly one of 'those' 'mercenaries'.
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
So in other words, you're one of those people that had kids and lost all sense of reason (or you just never had a sense of reason) and now you're falling for every "give up your freedom to save the children" call. It's truly tragic when that happens. You're really not making the rest of us parents look good. I honestly hope you were just trolling.
No, I don't want to give up my freedom or privacy to save the children from some (nonexistent) threat. Come up with a scheme that doesn't punish everyone. Since you're always, always thinking of the children, that should be simple for you.
It is genuinely tragic that you have ( apparently ) reproduced.
Don't worry, his genes will be culled at the next 'big event'
"Trump!!", the new Godwin.
That's the problem with policing the internet. You get parties who believe there should be rules that they invent, that may have nothing to do with the rules that are already in place on a particular forum. And these parties decide to police their new rules everywhere they think that those rules should be applied.
Where's the TL;DR moderation when you need it? I think I wore a groove in my phone's Corning glass with all the swiping.
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This is the reason to not have AC's on this board. If you state your opinion by using a youtube video from a whiny and irrelevant rock band, the rest of the comment and statements made thereafter are immediately dismissed as the ramblings of a angst ridden teenager with too much time and not enough common sense.
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How about do some fucking parenting. Do not expect the government to trash everything others enjoy to do it for you?
As a father of a ten year old son I allow him free access to the internet. I do that because I have taught him the "rules" of the internet, and I trust him to do the right thing. I constantly monitor his usage and have NEVER had to have an uncomfortable conversation about his activities using it. This is after six years of him having net access.
I do not filter anything, because I actively parent. Maybe you should try it before advocating government spying on it's populace without warrant or cause.
How about try some fucking parenting before advocating government snooping.
As the father of a ten year old son I have an unfiltered connection that he has free access to. Am I worried? Not in the slightest, I monitor his usage and have never been forced to have an uncomfortable conversation (I am not afraid of uncomfortable conversations either) about his activities. Maybe that's because i taught him the "rules" to follow.
His birthday is in two weeks and he will be getting (and building) his own computer. It also will not have any "filtering" of any sort. I am still unconcerned, because his computer will be approximately four feet from mine.
We plan on playing Saints Row the third together. Some people would think that game is inappropriate for a ten year old boy, For some ten year olds it might be, I have no problems explaining adult concepts to him. It prepares him for life outside my pocket.
Strange /. lost my post and now I have a double post, sorry about that.
So which Horseman of the Apocalypse did you say you were, again...?
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So the internet filter was dropped and the government has been absolutely silent on it since then. We're not going to have browser history data retention laws. iiNet won its case and was found not responsible for its users copyright infringement and we haven't seen any government attempts to introduce French/NZ three-strikes or similar laws since then either. Oh and finally games are going to get an R-rating.
All in all, Australian democracy has worked quite well these last few years and the Australian internet is looking pretty free compared to a lot of other western countries. Oh and work on the nation wide fibre optic network continues as well.
This is nonsense. If I have a conversation with someone, the government has no right to a transcript of that discussion regardless of whether that discussion takes place in my home, a cafe, a public street or on an internet forum. The government cannot bug my home without a court order and the internet should be no different. The government already has the ability to search through the publicly accessible areas of the internet for information about my activities and this is analogous to law enforcement "watching and patrolling". What you are proposing is analogous to allowing police to randomly search peoples homes because a lot of our actions, interactions and transactions are conducted in our homes.
As a parent, the responsibility to protect your children is yours not mine. If you find the internet to be so hazardous that you are unable to properly protect them, don't allow them to use it. Easy.
"Cursed is he who rises early in the morning..." Isiah 5:11
ASIO can bitch and moan all the want but honestly, there's no way they should have more power than they currently have. Why should they be able to monitor us to the levels they are talking about? There has been no need to up until now and there will continue to be no need to into the future. Any organisation or group has to have a physical point of presence and that is the realm in which ASIO should be working. Warrants for wiretap and warrants for seizure of equipment/servers already exist. It is enough.
There's no privacy any more - I'm pretty sick of it.
Cut out the Middle man.
When internet snooping / warrantless data searches were proposed in Canada the people just sent all their daily search histories. tweets and cc'd the Minister on all their emails. So much data was coming into the parliamentary mail servers they had to be shut down. The bill was pulled after first reading and sent to committee, which is not the usual procedure, where it is expected to die when this session of parliament ends.
Undetectable Steganography? Yep, there's an app fo
Judging by the polls, in 2013 the Australian Labor Party will be handed the biggest caning in the history of Aussie politics. Roxon won't be in power to enact this legislation, and Conroy (Mr Internet Filter) will be out on his ear too. So, where the ALP and their policies are concerned, 'after the next election' equates to 'once hell freezes over'.
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the same could be said about anyone's reaction to drunk drivers... don't drive a car, or maybe about the threat of street violence... don't go out on the streets; maybe your solution to the problem of the raping of women is to banish all women
surely a country's government has the right to snoop on its own shores. china already does it. eventually all supposedly "modernised" countries will get the jist. anyone THAT concerned with privacy needs to look at what they are doing on the net, and look at why they don't do similar things in society (ie compare watching internet porn to hiring a porn movie from a movie rental store). if you don't like the idea of the government finding out about your porn habits, you would be complaining about the same loss of privacy that prevents you from hiring a porn film from a rental store (or maybe its the prospect of your neighbors finding out about your porn habits)... in any case, policing the internet has no more privacy issues than policing the rest of society
if a governmnt gets caught snooping traffic with a foreign destination, i guess there's going to have to be some kind of international agreement otherwise every case may be deemed an act of war (most extreme cases involving downloads of justin bieber songs, which may be considered weapons of cochleae destruction)
Says the person posting as AC.
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