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Project To Turn Classical Scores Into Copyright-Free Music Completed

yourlord writes "Just under two years ago Musopen launched a Kickstarter campaign covered here on Slashdot. Today that project is complete with the release of a large amount of classical recordings into the public domain. This brings an extensive collection of high quality classical music into the public domain. The project music is hosted on the Musopen site, and on archive.org."

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  1. There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by rueger · · Score: 4, Informative

    The great weakness with this is that the value of sheet music is in the edition. Just as books benefit from a good editor, so does music.

    My girlfriend has a music degree, and is an accomplished teacher of piano. She pulls her hair out whenever a student shows up with something downloaded from the Internet, or even worse, one of those oddball cheap Chinese editions. How the music is edited really does affect how it is played.

    Aside from that, it's weird that the music listings aren't by composer. Do these folks not know how many "String Quartets in C major" have been written?

    1. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by symbolset · · Score: 5, Informative

      The composition has to be a relatively ancient edit to qualify for public domain status in the performed work.

      At the bottom you will see the option to filter by composer.

      And of course you're welcome to repeat the effort if this one doesn't suit your standard. In the meantime the rest of us will set about setting our slideshows, presentations, home movies and youtube clips to this public domain classical music.

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    2. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by maxwell+demon · · Score: 5, Informative

      It's weird that the article doesn't link to the Homepage of the project or at least to the main music browsing page which features, besides others, a list of composers to select from.

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    3. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by darkfeline · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed. I've been using Lilypond for a while now, and when you actually arrange and play your own music, you are enlightened to all the little details that unconsciously distract or help you. But note that it also depends on the person to a certain degree as well, e.g. some people just happen to read music written one way better.

    4. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Informative

      You think the weakness is the quality of the sheetmusic? Did you actually listen to any of the performances? For example, see if you can listen to the first movement of Beethoven's fifth here, without cringing. People are out of tune, off beat, and at times sound like they are overwhelmed by the difficulty of the piece (listen at 1:19, the horns don't have a consistent tone, sound squeaky at times, with the strings in the background poorly articulating their notes, some of the instruments are out of tune, and the wrong parts are emphasized).

      And those are just technical details. Even if they reach perfection in the execution of the notes, they are completely missing the interpretation. I would gladly pay money to hear Bernstein's interpretation of the second movement of the 5th symphony. No one else even comes close to the softness and love of his interpretation.

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    5. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by deek · · Score: 3, Informative

      I've never had a problem with using urtext sheet music; by definition, untouched by an editor. Your girlfriend should have no problem with students that show up with urtext copies, many of which are freely available on the internet. She is a teacher, so should help them to interpret the piece which is played, not play along with the interpretation of some editor. Besides, interpretation can be a very subjective thing; I've often disagreed with edited music and the changes they've made to the original piece. Then again, I've been known to disagree with the original composer, preferring to play dynamics in my own way, or to go with a staccato feel, rather than the legato that's marked on the music, or change a dozen other possible things you can when playing music.

      In that way, editing music is very much different to editing a book. You can't play around with written passages the way you can with music. Music is much more open to interpretation and change. It's why it is so fascinating listening to different performers play the same piece of music, and not so interesting listening to the same prose read by different people.

    6. Re:There's Sheet Music, and Sheet Music by Vintermann · · Score: 5, Informative

      The Beethoven's fifth you linked to is performed by a small town college orchestra, not the Musopen Symphony Orchestra (really the Czech National Symphony Orchestra, but I don't know if Musopen are allowed to say that in advertising!). Anyone can contribute to Musopen - you'll even find midi keyboard renditions there. It's better than nothing, is Musopen's philosophy.

      During the Kickstarter, Aaron Dunn wrote to us and we discussed extensively whether we should get a few works by a "big name" orchestra, or several from a less-known one. We did blind listening tests, too.

      You still have the option to pay money to hear Bernstein's interpretations. In fact, you probably will always have to pay money to hear Bernstein's interpretations, the way copyrights are being extended... but now you also have the option of hearing some solid renditions of Brahms symphonies by a professional Czech orchestra, for free. For ever.

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  2. FLAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Unfortunately, Musopen provided the content in Apple lossless format instead of a widely used, open, non-patent-encumbered format such as FLAC. Plus, the official torrent contains a single gigantic zip file.

    There is a torrent containing all 145 separate tracks in FLAC format here:
    http://pirateproxy.net/torrent/7536456/2012_Musopen_Kickstarter_Project_[FLAC]

    1. Re:FLAC by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      The ALAC decoder and encoder is opensource under the Apache 2.0 license, which essentially grants a world wide cost free and irrevocable* patent license in addition to the copyright license for the code itself.

      Claiming ALAC is patent encumbered is just plain bullshit, since patent licenses are granted free of charge. Claiming ALAC is not open is also clearly pure bullshit as the reference encoder and decoder is freely available.

      * Unless you decide to sue Apple for patent infringement, in which case your license will be revoked.

  3. For those looking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    the torrent link is: http://archive.org/download/musopen-lossless-dvd/musopen-lossless-dvd_archive.torrent

  4. Re:Nicely done! by c0lo · · Score: 4, Informative

    And visit their "donate" button.

    FTFY (rationale: I read some comments indicating some have difficulties in finding their way on the site).

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  5. Re:Nicely done! by CrashandDie · · Score: 5, Informative

    Indeed. I remember the kickstart project and all, and how the project went from "With a few grand we can do this" to "Oh wow, we've got 7 times what we asked for, let's do more".

    I don't think they should've done more than they originally set out, they should've increased the planned quality. What I mean by that is that it is likely the initial budget they asked for was way too low, anyway, for what they wanted to do.

    Indeed, the quality of the recordings is poor, at best, and there are a great number of mistakes in the performances. Yet none of those care, because for maybe one of the first times, there are actual, recent recordings in the public domains. But coughing? Seriously?

    Anyway, I'd like for MusOpen to take this chance to also distribute the works in the raw format they have, or .wav, or any other kind of lossless format, preferably not encumbered by patents or licensing issues. I'll even go ahead and offer a lot of bandwidth to help MusOpen achieve that goal.

  6. Re:Nicely done! by Rockoon · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yet none of those care, because for maybe one of the first times, there are actual, recent recordings in the public domains. But coughing? Seriously?

    Seriously.. 1st movement, after playing begins.. a cough...

    Apparently its someones recital.. sounds like a tape player is used to record it.. where you can even hear the noise of the spinning tape...

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  7. Re:Nicely done! by anom · · Score: 3, Informative

    From my understanding the moonlight sonata wasn't even one of the pieces performed by the orchestra in the kickstarter campaign? It isn't listed at any of the links in the article. Musopen compiles a bunch of different music from many sources and so some if it is complete crap, but my impression was that the point of this project was to get some better recordings of a select group of pieces.

  8. Re:Nicely done! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    the ones they recorded are performed by "Musopen Symphony Orchestra"

    everything else on their site is a crapshoot from other sources.

  9. Re:Completed? That's a bit of a laugh by anom · · Score: 5, Informative

    A number of people seem to be confusing the overall musopen library with the recently completed project.

    Musopen has been around for some time collecting non-copyrighted performances of various classic works from whatever source was available. For example, you'll note from the musopen page that the Pictures at an Exhibition was performed by the Skidmore College Orchestra.

    The Kickstarter project musopen undertook was to professionally record a few of the classics. On the Musopen site, you'll see "Musopen Symphony Orchestra" listed as the performer -- those pieces are listed here: http://musopen.org/music/by/performer/Musopen-Symphony-Orchestra

  10. Complete Bach Organ Works by gnasher719 · · Score: 4, Informative

    http://www.blockmrecords.org/bach/ Played by James Kibbie, and as a quote from the website: "This project is sponsored by the University of Michigan School of Music, Theatre & Dance, with generous support from Dr. Barbara Furin Sloat in honor of J. Barry Sloat, and with additional support from the Office of Vice-President for Research, the University of Michigan."

  11. Re:But how did he make money?! by LordLucless · · Score: 2, Informative

    You do realize that the orchestral performers are still artists, right?

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  12. Re:It was me! by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    No, he's doing it because it allows him to push IP treaties onto countries with growing economies and emerging markets that benefit his other investments.

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  13. Re:Completed? That's a bit of a laugh by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yet another poster who has not understood what Musopen does or what this Kickstarter was. Pictures at an Exhibition was not recorded as part of this project. In fact it was freely contributed to Musopen by an amateur orchestra.

    A good MIDI performance expert could do better.

    Didn't it tip you off that a lot of the music on Musopen actually are midi performances? Anyone can contribute!

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  14. No it isn't by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 3, Informative

    Sound editors aren't magic, you can't take a bad performance and make it great, and you can't edit out systemic noise like wow and flutter from a tape. You also can't edit out a sound from under another sound, without major audible artifacts.

    What a big label would do is go and use better quality equipment to record the track. It isn't even that expensive these days. Then they would record multiple takes as necessary and edit those together.

    Hell forget big labels, this is what a university recording studio would do. It is not too much to ask that if the idea is to get "open" replacements to professional music that a professional job of it is done.

  15. Re:Completed? That's a bit of a laugh by Vintermann · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'd like to add that the Musopen Symphony Orchestra is, in essence, the Czech National Sympony Orchestra. They're a very solid commercial symphony orchestra (i.e, mostly playing for films and commissioned concerts, as opposed to being attached to an institution or subscription program).

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  16. Re:IMSLP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    MusOpen is for music recordings, not sheet music.

    No.
    Musopen provides sheet music and recordings.
    IMSLP provides sheet music and recordings.
    From the database size it seems that IMSLP has more sheet music and more recordings than Musopen.

    From a IMSLP board message http://imslpforums.org/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=840 I conclude that Musopen was founded in a response to a temporary shutdown of IMSLP for almost a year in 2007. When IMSLP re-opened, Musopen didn't shutdown but continued their own platform.

  17. Re:Nicely done! by Vintermann · · Score: 3, Informative

    Not quite, those which are recorded as "Musopen String Quartet" are also from this effort.

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  18. Re:It was me! by aarondunn · · Score: 4, Informative

    Aaron here, founder of Musopen. I think you would be hard pressed to find any evidence that Musopen, or really any free online music service (spotify, itunes, rdio etc) is hurting symphonies. If there is a decline in attendance its because of a chance in musical tastes, not mp3s shared on the internet. I know from personal experience that I only became interested in classical music when a CD was shared with me (illegally!) and I began searching out more on my own. I now attend concerts because nothing will ever match the quality of the sound, or the experience hearing it live. I know that for a fact because I've spent way to much on my stereo system.