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The ThinkPad Goes Ultrabook — ThinkPad X1 Carbon Tested

MojoKid writes "The venerable Lenovo ThinkPad, with its little red TrackPoint nub, has gone the way of the Ultrabook. If there's one small dig ThinkPads have taken with regularity over the years, it's that though there's a ton of quality and substance built into these machines, style was not a hallmark of the brand. The all new ThinkPad X1 Carbon could very well change the utilitarian stereotype of Lenovo's business-backed line-up, however. As the name suggests, the ThinkPad X1 Carbon is built from carbon fiber material throughout its chassis and internal rollcage. Its 14-inch display drives a native resolution of 1600x900, and its keyboard, arguably one of the nicest features of the ThinkPad line, is backlit and even more refined with contoured key caps. Battery life hits a max of about six hours on a full charge, and the machine weighs in at 3lbs and .31-inches at it thinnest dimension."

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  1. Thinkpads have their OWN style. by couchslug · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Many customers, self included, prefer it.

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    1. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by JAlexoi · · Score: 3, Informative

      Fashion - popular style
      Style - distinctive look

    2. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by cmdr_tofu · · Score: 2

      Hmm I wonder what those consultants would think of my Thinkpad X60T covered with Debian, GitHUB, Ruby and "meat is murder" stickers :-D

    3. Re:Thinkpads have their OWN style. by davester666 · · Score: 2

      Really? The iPad is "unusable".

      That comes as a huge surprise to millions of people. Maybe you could go on the talk-show circuit or CNN and tell everybody that they should throw their iPads away.

      Or maybe, you, as an induhvidual, happen to not have a use for it.

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  2. A long line... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

    IBM has offered quite a few thin-and-light optical-drive-removed models over the years, albeit generally at a somewhat uncomfortable premium.

    I have very fond memories of my Thinkpad 570 (stolen, alas) and the X series has more recently occupied the niche.

    The really tragic thing is that Lenovo has been churning out assorted thin-and-lights without trackpoints! If you have to use a touchpad, you might as well just not bother.

  3. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by couchslug · · Score: 2

    Soldered-in RAM and non-user-serviceable battery aren't impressive either.

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  4. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by loosescrews · · Score: 3, Informative

    I got a Thinkpad X230, which has the same keyboard layout and a very similar keyboard. The biggest problem is the odd placement of the Print Screen key. It is where the right click menu key should be. In addition, the keyboard is rather mushy without much travel. I am sure it is much better than a normal chiclet keyboard, but the layout is inexcusable. I really like the backlighting, and the trackpoint is, of course, excellent. While I agree that the keyboard is a draw, I think that the trackpoint is a big one too. At least they didn't ruin that yet.

  5. Build quality not impressive anymore by evilviper · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If there's one small dig ThinkPads have taken with regularity over the years, it's that though there's a ton of quality and substance built into these machines, style was not a hallmark of the brand.

    That was long ago, when IBM owned the brand. Lenovo kept the quality up to par for a while, but many people who've bought Thinkpads in the past couple years will attest that the quality isn't the best any longer. That they're going for styling now, just further suggests they're completely changing the brand, and it will no longer stand for quality and durability.

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    1. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by WrecklessSandwich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Who would you suggest has the best build quality now, then? If you say Apple I will beat you silly with a chassis fan because I want to be able to have children, but anything else I'm genuinely curious to hear.

    2. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by AchilleTalon · · Score: 3, Informative

      Provided almost all T61(p) are about to die due to the problem with the nVidia chip, there is over 130 pages of complaints on the Lenovo forum on this sole subject and still active. Provided Lenovo picked the nVidia chip, it was up to them to resolve this issue to the satisfaction of their customers. They did really bad. They kept the replacement board unaffordable while the prices were dropping fast (over 1000$ for a replacement board in Canada from Lenovo when I checked less than 10 months ago). They never recalled all the laptops likely to fail, many laptops failed just after the warranty expiration and the few months after. At the very beginning, yes, nVidia is responsible, but before the customers Lenovo is responsible. It is to them to negociate contracts with their providers and get some kind of QA on the products they buy and resell in a laptop. I was a loyal customer starting with IBM Thinkpad, I was willing to pay more for the enterprise level quality. My last experience with Lenovo proves me wrong about this so called enterprise level quality and worst, with the desire of the company to maintain a top quality service.

      Sorry, Lenovo, never again.

      I prefer to buy a cheap laptop I can replace easily and use a real desktop at my office instead of a boosted laptop.

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    3. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by nojayuk · · Score: 3, Informative

      Panasonic have good build quality even in their business range and their Toughbooks are especially well-built. Not stylish though. Expect to pay for that quality though, 50-100% more than an Apple of similar hardware spec, but when was the last time you saw a laptop advertised as being resistant to disinfectant?

    4. Re:Build quality not impressive anymore by jo_ham · · Score: 2

      Jesus fucking Christ, is there any particular reason you decided to be a dickhead without provocation? Why is this fashionable on Slashdot?

      You forgot to log in again!

      D'oh!

      "Without provocation" hah. You're funny.

  6. Re:Shiny? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Can they make it look more like a MacBook Air and then I'll buy one?

    They could, but that would mean, yet another lawsuit, which we certainly already have enough of . . .

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  7. Re:not particularly excited... by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    I just pulled the rubber off

    Doing that, is what got Julian Assange into all that trouble . . .

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  8. Protruding lid edge by temcat · · Score: 2

    It looks like this laptop rests on the protruding lid edge when the lid is open instead of lying flat on the base. Not sure I like that design.

    1. Re:Protruding lid edge by itsme1234 · · Score: 3, Informative

      In the video it looks like the lid raises the laptop only when opened quite wide, at larger angles than would be possible on many similar devices. At "regular" angles the laptop sits on it's own feet and the lid moves freely, once you open it too much it will hit the desk and you need to slightly raise the laptop and let it sit on the lid.

  9. Re:Shiny? by dwater · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Please, no. If I wanted a MacBook Air, I would get a MacBook Air; but I hate that style and love the more macho Thinkpad style.

    I'm so glad it doesn't have a shiny screen too.

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  10. Re:not particularly excited... by dwater · · Score: 4, Funny

    alledgedly

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  11. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Alarash · · Score: 2

    No built-in RJ-45 is a show stopper for me. There's no way I want to use a USB dongle for that. But then again I'm a network engineer so that stuff probably matters to me more than it should.

  12. Re:Always loved the thinkpad style by Crudely_Indecent · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The day I bought my first thinkpad was the day I stopped replacing broken laptops.

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  13. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by guises · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I'd rather have page up/page down there than the back/forward buttons that were there before - I've hit the back key and lost everything that I was typing into a webpage far too many times with those damn things. Aside from that though, the layout isn't really that important, you'll get used to it. The big problem with the keyboard here, and the keyboards on these really thin laptops in general, is the stroke depth. They're just far too shallow. I'm sure that's why they moved to the chicklet style, it's better suited to a laptop with no vertical space, but it's still crap.

    Tip for other laptop designers (or designers of any product): figure out what your product is best known for, the good stuff, and when you're doing your redesign don't screw with that. What are the selling points for Thinkpads?

    1. Solid, durable construction
    2. A no-nonsense utilitarian aesthetic
    3. Excellent keyboards that are comfortable to type on

    If it has to be a little thicker to accommodate a good Thinkpad (TM) keyboard, that's not a drawback - that's a selling point.

  14. Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!!! by itsme1234 · · Score: 2

    What the heck is wrong with these companies? Are they really getting so much revenue in replacement power supplies that they have to screw everybody and their dog in the process?
    Not only you can't change the (non-removable) battery but you also can't easily use any existent "power pack" (like powergorilla, not that I recommend that one but it's easy to google for and see what I mean). You can't just grab a "generic" laptop power supply (the one that comes with multiple voltages and a bunch of rounded tips) from any shop if you forgot/lost yours.
    Also you can't consolidate on chargers/use your existent one, you can't efficiently charge it from an appropriate DC power supply without going via the inefficient route inverter->original power supply.
    It seems these devices are designed more for executives with more money than sense than for people who actually travel and need the advertised portability.

  15. Brightness by jones_supa · · Score: 2

    From the article:

    It might not be the brightest LCD in the lab at 300 nits but it's bright enough [...]

    Actually, 300 nits is damn bright. They probably couldn't crank the brightness high enough or for some reason had a unit with a lower spec screen. Most current laptops at max brightness are in the 200 nits (cd/m^2) ballpark. Notebookcheck.net even has the lab and they indeed confirmed the manufacturer rating in their Lenovo X1 review:

    Information
    Gossen Mavo-Monitor
    Maximum: 367 cd/m^2
    Average: 330.9 cd/m^2
    Brightness Distribution: 81 %
    Center on Battery: 348 cd/m^2
    Black: 2.8 cd/m^2
    Contrast: 124:1

  16. Re:Shiny? by Carewolf · · Score: 2

    It is TOO shiny, please for the love of god, make one with a proper matte screen.

  17. Re:Let me guess the price by TheRaven64 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Comparing as close as possible specs, the 1.8GHz i5 with 128GB SSD and 4GB of RAM costs $1,199 for the MacBook Air and $1,499 for the ThinkPad. For the 2GHz i7, the MBA is $1,499, the ThinkPad is $1,849. However, the ThinkPad has a 14" screen instead of 13" (not sure if this is a pro or con in a portability-at-all-costs Ultrabook), integrated 3G (need a USB dongle for the MBA). The ThinkPad lacks Thunderbolt, so USB is the fastest peripheral interface. The ThinkPad is marginally larger in one dimension, marginally smaller in two more, so about the same volume and the weight difference between the two is under 0.1%. The ThinkPad comes with a 3-year warranty, but this costs extra for the MBA (unless you buy from the education store), which brings the cost quite a bit closer. The cost of upgrading to 8GB of RAM for the ThinkPad is not listed - it's not even clear that it's an option, which is a shame because that's something I'd be pretty sure to want.

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  18. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 3, Informative

    I have an x220 and I *LOVE* the reversed Fn and Ctrl Keys (bottom left is Fn -> Ctr -> Super -> Alt -> Space -> ...). I actually got so used to it I had to set up my other machines to switch them as well. The Ctrl key is a VERY commonly used key, and having to stretch your hand to the left to use it (like most keyboards) wears your hand out VERY quickly. But if you REALLY need the Ctrl key on the far left, there's a BIOS option to change it.

  19. Re:I'm switching to Mac after six ThinkPads by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Hell, I miss my 1400x1050 14" T60p! It's pretty sad that the only way to get 1000+ vertical pixels is in a 1080p display, which is too high a DPI to be comfortable on less than a 15" screen, but a 15.6" 16:9 panel makes for an absolute monster. Lenovo could have kept making the 4:3 machines ad infinitum--see Panasonic and the ToughBook line. But they decided the extra profit was worth lessening the product. Sad. Unfortunately, so did everybody else. Heck, Apple's the only mainstream company that even uses 16:10 panels anymore.

  20. I'll take modular design with lots of ports/slots! by silly_sysiphus · · Score: 2

    One of my best friends is drooling over this, but I think the opposite direction makes a lot more sense--try 1.2" thick (really not that bad), in order to get ethernet, removable battery, optical drive (swappable for an extra hard drive, battery, etc), docking connector, etc. Oh, and latches to keep the darn thing shut, thanks. The whole thin==better thing really doesn't lend itself to longevity.

  21. No space for RJ45 by TeknoHog · · Score: 2

    The ThinkPad X1 Carbon is so thin actually, that a standard RJ45 port couldn't be squeezed into its side edge, so Lenovo includes a USB Ethernet dongle with the machine.

    This is starting to be a wider issue, so perhaps a more robust solution is in order. Some tablets apparently have proprietary connectors, where RJ45 can be plugged with a passive adapter. Could we agree on a smaller standard for such an electrically identical Ethernet connector? Maybe while we are starting over, we could avoid earlier design mistakes, like the plastic tongue that breaks off easily.

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  22. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by garyebickford · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You just inspired a thought - they could make it so the keys rise up slightly when the lid is opened, providing longer travel. In fact I would love to see a true shift-lock key again, that stays down when it's engaged. And a pony, of course.

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  23. Re:Terrible keyboard layout by loosescrews · · Score: 2

    You can switch fn and left ctrl the keys in the BIOS on most Thinkpads. Sure, the keys would then be mislabeled, but if you always hit the wrong key anyway it wouldn't matter.

  24. Re:Thinkad regression by fph+il+quozientatore · · Score: 2

    It weighs the same as your X200, but it has a 2'' larger screen.

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  25. Re:Shiny? by bemymonkey · · Score: 3, Informative

    Of course it has an LED backlit screen - CCFL backlit screens haven't been sold in laptops for years.

  26. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

    I was surprised about the battery because the EU now mandates that they are recyclable, but it seems to be an unfortunately growing trend. Apparently if you can remove the battery for disposal, even destroying the laptop in the process, that is okay under the current rules.

    Hopefully the EU will go a bit further and require user replaceable batteries. It's bad enough having to throw away a perfectly good electric toothbrush after two years because the battery is dead.

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  27. Thinkpad Back/Forward buttons by Guppy · · Score: 2

    I'd rather have page up/page down there than the back/forward buttons that were there before - I've hit the back key and lost everything that I was typing into a webpage far too many times with those damn things.

    I've done that a couple of times, including losing lengthy Slashdot response posts. I've been dealing with it by using the Lazarus plugin (for Firefox, Chrome, and Safari), which allows me to retrieve lost form submissions.

    Note: the plugin encrypts saved form data, but it might still be a problem for users with high security requirements.

  28. Re:Yet another ultra-proprietary power connector!! by ColdWetDog · · Score: 3, Insightful

    No. A nicely proportioned beautiful woman is "sexy". Electronic gear is most certainly not and never will be.

    I'm very sorry, but you are clearly new here.

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  29. Re:128gb??? by ColdWetDog · · Score: 2

    Your doing pretty good with this Turing test thing though....

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  30. Re:Shiny? by ThePeices · · Score: 2

    In many ways it is a testimate of the think pad style.

    What is a testimate? A grumpy friend?