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CowboyNeal Looks Back at the SCO-Linux Trials

This past week, SCO filed for Chapter 7 bankruptcy, which finally begins the end of a long saga that started over nine years ago. While their anti-IBM litigation has risen from the grave and still shambles onward, the company itself is nearly put to rest after nine years of choosing the wrong legal battle to get into. Even if it may be too early to dance on SCO's grave, join me as I look back over the long and bumpy road to nowhere of The SCO Group.

The Beginning, or, We Sure Do Miss Ransom Love Around Here

Back in January of 2003, SCO announced that Unix SYSV code had been misappropriated into Linux. They didn't say much more than this, saying that they would only reveal the code in question to the court, and that it was a secret. Given the nature of Linux, this set off the BS-meters of nearly anyone with a clue, including the Linux kernel developers, not the least of which being Linus himself. In March of that year, SCO announced that they owned the copyrights to Unix, and that they were suing IBM for a billion dollars, for leaking SCO trade secrets into Linux. When people who had a clue thought about the case for more than a few minutes, they remembered back to the USL v. BSDi case that had been settled a decade prior, and figured SCO was full of it. Unfortunately, instead of SCO's announcement being taken as the ramblings of a crazy CEO desperate to increase the value of his flagging company, it went ahead. The worst part, is that at least for the short term, it worked. SCO's stock price shot from under $2/share to over $20/share in six months.

Around this time, a new champion would arise. A new website, Groklaw, run by paralegal Pamela Jones began blogging daily coverage of SCO v. IBM. While Groklaw was originally intended as a way for PJ to practice blogging, it soon grew into the front lines of the PR war against SCO, a war which they were losing badly.

This is where the case should have been thrown out, and everyone gone out for beers and had a good laugh, but that didn't happen. However, a new challenger would appear. In August of 2003, Red Hat sued SCO to try and put an end to this mess. While this was a valiant effort on Red Hat's part, ultimately a judge would stay the case pending the outcome of SCO v. IBM. Those hard-earned beers would have to wait.

At this point, SCO's claims were sounding dubious at best, so they showed off two samples of alleged copied code at a reseller show later that month. However, the code in question was shown to be part of BSD, and previously released under the BSD license. In spite of this, SCO decided that to save face, they should waste everyone's time with continuing their warpath of litigation.

SCO v. Everyone

Since the suit against IBM was going so well, The SCO Group came up with the brilliant strategy of "sue all the things!" and proceeded to do just that. In lieu of having their own product that people actually liked and used, they figured they could just sue their way to profitability.

One of SCO's key claims was that they owned the copyrights to Unix, due to some purchases they'd made from Novell. Novell, however, didn't take this sitting down and respectfully disagreed. For butting in on SCO's new business model, Novell was served with a lawsuit in January of 2004. 2004 was the year that SCO decided to sue everyone they looked at. AutoZone, who had recently switched from using SCO OpenServer to Linux, got sued for doing so. DaimlerChrysler was just walking down the opposite side of the street and accidentally made eye contact with SCO, and they got sued as well.

While also suing everyone in sight, SCO also announced that they would not sue their own customers, so for the price of a SCO license, a company could exclude themselves from possible litigation. A few companies actually bought into the madness, but for the most part, the world collectively rolled its eyes at SCO, meaning that SCO would have to soldier on with their lawsuit-based business strategy, or face the wrath of their shareholders.

Novell Jams SCO's Gears

A few years went past while the SCO v. IBM case was still in the discovery phase, with SCO not wanting to reveal the code they were suing over, without seeing sources from IBM first, and IBM not wanting to give SCO any source without first being told what code was in question. This provided time for the Novell case to advance, albeit also slowly. By 2007, Novell was awarded several summary judgements, and several of SCO's claims were denied. By 2008, Novell had been awarded over $3 million as a result of the case. Just under half of that amount would be appealed by SCO, and temporarily reversed for a couple of more years. The main outcome here, however, was that Novell was ruled as the owner of the Unix copyrights.

The SCO legal juggernaut, however, would not, nay, could not be stopped. Despite not owning the Unix copyrights they contended they were the owners of "control rights" to derivatives of SYSV, and for the period during the appeals to SCO v. Novell, they were still able to claim potential ownership of the Unix copyrights in court as well. When they finally lost the appeals, they were forced to fall back to their claims of control rights, which is where they still stand today.

Being faced with having to pay out to Novell, SCO finally received its first nail in its coffin. Following the Novell ruling, SCO filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy, and SCO v. IBM was stayed until SCO could emerge from Chapter 11 and continue the case. Shortly thereafter, SCO's stock price fell to under $0.50/share and they were de-listed from NASDAQ.

The End of SCO, but not of SCO v. IBM

So that's where we are today. Once the Chapter 7 filing is finalized by a judge, SCO will cease to be as a corporate entity, however they are proposing that SCO v. IBM be allowed to continue, not for sheer entertainment value, but rather so that they don't risk the wrath of their shareholders.

Nine years on, it's difficult to say who the real winners are. It's definitely not The SCO Group themselves, since they've gone under. It's also probably not SCO's lawyers, since their chances for being paid are greatly diminished since SCO's short-lived high times in 2003. IBM stands poised to win the case should it go forward, however their legal expenditures at this point are so large they could only be fielded by the likes of IBM. Novell, despite having already won, may not ever get paid all that it's owed. Linux users will most likely eventually emerge as not having to pay SCO a dime, which while is nice to have reaffirmed, is where they were back in 2003 to begin with. Another side effect of the courts rulings, was the reaffirmation of USL v. BSDi, which means that FreeBSD users are definitely safe from licensing fees and litigation.

While I've given an overview of the SCO-Linux litigations here, I've surely missed many of the bumps in the road. I only briefly touched on the PR war SCO fought against Groklaw, and many of the other insanities brought on by this case. With SCO v. IBM still possibly lunging ahead in a stupor, it may be too early to finally enjoy those aforementioned hard-earned beers, but it's still safe to chill them with the ice off SCO's corpse.

157 comments

  1. Let's NOT look back. by TheDarkener · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Seriously. 9 years of facepalming is enough. Let's forget the SCO morons and focus on the future, which is celebrating and embracing open source in all ways imaginable.

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    1. Re:Let's NOT look back. by biggyfred · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Young'ins need to know the story of SUE EVERYONE doesn't begin or end with Apple.

    2. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Penguinisto · · Score: 2

      Most folks have.

      I'm just curious about one thing though... TFA mentions shareholders. Who the fuck would be crazy/stupid/naive enough to still be clinging to shares of SCOX? It's not like it's worth anything (it currently trades at $0.02, FFS)

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    3. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Funny

      Don't forget to pay your $699 licensing fee you cock smoking teabaggers.

    4. Re:Let's NOT look back. by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

      TFA mentions shareholders.

      But nobody mentions the guy who started this. Anybody here believe he's changed his evil ways? It is said that the best way to get even with a rich man is to make him a poor man. Has that happened to him?

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    5. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that may be true, but it dose not change the fact that hating apple is the hip thing to do and it still makes plenty of sense even if they were not the first or lat company to do it.

      FTFY

      Your statement makes a lot more sense this way.

    6. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Kozar_The_Malignant · · Score: 3, Informative

      There are several investor websites that have SCO/SCOX/DarlWatch forums, particularly in Utah. If you want to keep track yourself, either to drop him a note or make sure you never ever invest in anything he touches, here is his LinkedIn page. He describes himself and an Entrepreneur at Me, Inc. whose mission is to,"Incubate, design and build companies that deliver smart phone, social and cloud-based applications."

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    7. Re:Let's NOT look back. by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      I've been wondering exactly what is he getting up to there at Me Inc? The site is shitty in both presentation and content. He hasn't discovered how to correctly size images. In lieu of actual substance, it's mostly about telling us that smart phones are the future, and that Me's ostensibly non-imaginary products can be used to develop applications for smart phones. I see some of these things are available on iTunes Store, and not exactly a roaring success. The self-stated raison d'etre for Me Inc. can be summed up as follows:

      "We are leaders in helping you more effectively through our advanced . . Our engineering team can help you and integrate your with and interwebs.

      If by "entrepreneur" he means fucking useless, then yes, his LinkedIn title is pretty accurately summing him up. He lists his time with SCO on his profile, which I suppose he either considers a good thing, or he realises that he can't hide from his decade spent turning a healthy tech company in to a pile of shit, while making himself the most unemployable man since Charles Manson gave himself a forehead tattoo.

      This world would be a better place if McBride were to go out back and end it with a revolver, but the main contribution to the good of humanity would be in the commercial transaction created when he bought the gun and a bullet. He's pretty irrelevant now, so his passing would mean little.

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    8. Re:Let's NOT look back. by jamstar7 · · Score: 1

      I'm just curious about one thing though... TFA mentions shareholders. Who the fuck would be crazy/stupid/naive enough to still be clinging to shares of SCOX? It's not like it's worth anything (it currently trades at $0.02, FFS)

      A bunch of people who jumped on it when it was 18, 19 bucks a share just before it took the swan dive into the cesspool. Once it started down, no smart investor would touch it, and once it was delisted, even the 'pump & dump' scams couldn't move it a millimeter. I'm thinkin a lotta people tried to sell, but nobody was buying at any price; their brokers warned them off fast.

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    9. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't worry, even after SCO is gone, the litigation will continue. Someone will acquire their IP and continue to press their claims.

    10. Re:Let's NOT look back. by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Look people may disagree with Apple. But an analogy to the SCO v. IBM would be Apple suing Coca Cola for Microsoft's properly licensed use of Apple's technology. They aren't doing anything remotely like SCO.

    11. Re:Let's NOT look back. by jbolden · · Score: 2

      This world would be a better place if McBride were to go out back and end it with a revolver,

      The world would be a better place if McBridge had been tried, convicted and jailed for fraud. I suspect McBridge's life in technology is over. Lots of other executive do similar things in other industries. The world would be a far better place if they faced criminal prosecution for their conduct.

      Also the Boies Schiller & Flexner people should be disbarred for deliberately misleading the court.

    12. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Is there a Linkedin version of bullshit bingo?

    13. Re:Let's NOT look back. by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 2

      I'm left wondering what Yarro (the largest shareholder) was thinking, and to a lesser extent, the other shareholders. By the time Yarro received Canopy's 30% share of SCO, it must have been pretty clear that McBride's strategy was turning to shit, and that IBM would vigorously fight SCO's poorly evidenced and sometimes nonsensical claims. I can think of three possibilities:

      1) Yarro and the shareholders were batshit crazy.
      2) The shareholders considered the almost certain decimation of their investment to be worth risking for the big payout possible if SCO were to win something other than the right to appeal - again. They were going against a number of companies, one of which has very deep pockets and a reputation for fighting these kinds of things.
      3) Yarro, and perhaps others, were being otherwise compensated for allowing SCO to engage in a suicide mission. Keeping McBride at the helm for so long suggests that they needed a crazy cunt (or idiot) of a man who'd stay at the wheel as the flames lick around him.

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    14. Re:Let's NOT look back. by daremonai · · Score: 1
      What IP? They don't own the UNIX copyrights.

      Or did you mean their IP addresses? Yeah, those might be worth something. In fact, that's probably the only part of SCO that's worth anything now.

    15. Re:Let's NOT look back. by xtracto · · Score: 2

      I remember in the days when SCO went crazy (about 9 years ago) that there was something like a "patent pool" or "patent society" by several companies (including) which had A LOT of patents which could be used by any company which was a member of said "patent society" in case they were sued by someone else.

      Nowadays, It would be really good if such patent pool was used to stop Apple senseless lawsuits. Everybody should sue Apple for all the patents they have 'infringed'. I am sure they have infringed one of the thousands of IBM's patents.

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    16. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Microsoft already has other proxies (and is using them).

      They're also using proxies and their axis partners to buy up important FOSS tools and remove their availability to the community (Qt, MySQL etc)

    17. Re:Let's NOT look back. by sg_oneill · · Score: 1

      SCO have nothing to sell. One thing that came out in these trials is that SCO never really owned anything. Rather they where the prime licensors of *NOVELs* IP, and where effectively acting as re-sellers of NOVEL's unix IP.

      The case was really the equivilent of a large Ford dealership suing General Motors because GMs have engines. Ford themselves might have other opinions than the precocious startup.

      In the case of this litigation NOVEL's agreement with SCO was that SCO had to get approval from NOVEL before starting any litigatin like this, after all it wasnt SCO's IP in the first place.

      And finally SCO themselves hadn't been paying *their* fees to NOVEL for the rights to sell UNIX products.

      And finally what little SCO *had* contributed in the way of IP, they themselves had GPLed long before, mostly just shitty redundant code that had little of value in the modern era.

      SCO had no IP worth spitting on. Its a worthless company who realising they didn't have much to trade on anymore decided to go IP troll with a shotgun, and in the process blew off their own foot.

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    18. Re:Let's NOT look back. by ultranova · · Score: 1

      Who the fuck would be crazy/stupid/naive enough to still be clinging to shares of SCOX? It's not like it's worth anything (it currently trades at $0.02, FFS)

      If they're not anything, you can't get anything by selling them, and can as well just keep them. You're only risking losing $0.02 per share, after all, which is hardly a "crazy" risk.

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    19. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The case was really the equivilent of a large Ford dealership suing General Motors because GMs have engines.

      Since this is the famous case for 17 lines of code, you could refine that analogy to be "suing General Motors because GMs have engines that have bolts in them" ;-)

    20. Re:Let's NOT look back. by Antarius · · Score: 2

      Ooh, anyone have a broker who can buy some of this for Non-US residents? I'd love to buy a couple of hundred share certificates in SCO to have on hand.

      Not only is it cheap toilet paper, but think of the novelty value and gag-gift potential!

    21. Re:Let's NOT look back. by nobaloney · · Score: 1

      SCO had no IP worth spitting on. Its a worthless company who realising they didn't have much to trade on anymore decided to go IP troll with a shotgun, and in the process blew off their own foot.

      No, you've got it wrong; not that IP; rather the IP numbers. They've got hold at least a Class C allocation (256 IP#s); these days that's going for as much as $1.50/month/each from some providers. And any way you look at it, after a year that's almost enough money to take the significant other to dinner.

  2. another SCO story? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!!!

  3. 9 Years by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Apparently, it takes 9 years to kill a troll.

    2015-2025 is going to be a fun decade of troll genocide.

    1. Re:9 Years by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 2

      Lets just hope those involved remember to double tap.

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  4. No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful
    First of all, I don't understand how this story was told without mention of Chief Executive Dbag Darl McBride.

    Secondly, I flat out object to the following reoccurring theme prevalent in this piece that alleviates any leaders (none of whom are named) of any responsibility, onus or wrongdoing:

    A few companies actually bought into the madness, but for the most part, the world collectively rolled its eyes at SCO, meaning that SCO would have to soldier on with their lawsuit-based business strategy, or face the wrath of their shareholders.

    Once the Chapter 7 filing is finalized by a judge, SCO will cease to be as a corporate entity, however they are proposing that SCO v. IBM be allowed to continue, not for sheer entertainment value, but rather so that they don't risk the wrath of their shareholders.

    (emphasis mine) I don't understand how someone can be such a jerk and we can say "oh, yeah, well, they had to do it because of the shareholders." Yes, I know that shareholders can sue you when you commit a colossal screw up but you can't hand out free passes like this for every thing they do. What would the shareholders have done? Sued him out of his position? Well, at least he'd still have his ethics and dignity intact. The problem is that the people running SCO lacked any fragments of those things from the start! Let me remind you of McBride's open letter in 2003 that remains to this day at SCO's site. It contained such gems as:

    Based on the views of the U.S. Congress and the U.S. Supreme Court, we believe that adoption and use of the GPL by significant parts of the software industry was a mistake. The positions of the Free Software Foundation and Red Hat against proprietary software are ill-founded and are contrary to our system of copyright and patent laws. We believe that responsible corporations throughout the IT industry have advocated use of the GPL without full analysis of its long-term detriment to our economy. We are confident that these corporations will ultimately reverse support for the GPL, and will pursue a more responsible direction.

    And what? Was there a shareholder holding a loaded gun to his head when he penned this letter? No, there wasn't. I mean, looking back this comment is laughable.

    And a side rant is that this is a perfect example of why corporations have more rights than citizens. SCO goes Chapter 11 then Chapter 7 and all the assholes that ran the show walk. And they're hired elsewhere and they have very minimal repercussions. What happens when an individual makes bad decisions with their personal finances? They get Chapter 13? They get liens slapped on all their income? Regardless of the chapter, their credit is screwed so they can't buy anything big for 10 years? You know what I'd like to see? I'd like to see the names of the people running this show published so we know who ran the show at this company. And I'd like to see bankruptcy laws barring them from assuming any position within a company where they have direct purview or control of any assets worth over $5,000. You know what? I'd bet then they'd be a little more rational, ethical and logical in their decisions just like the general populace is forced to do for fear of bankruptcy.

    Seriously, where is the blame going to be placed? Who will learn their lesson here? I'll be damned if I allow you to just pass the buck to "the wrath of the shareholders." That black hole of capitalistic logic has lead to major problems in the governance and upper rankings of American companies.

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  5. You left out Microsoft by HangingChad · · Score: 4, Informative

    In the middle of Scocades didn't it surface that they got a lot of money from Microsoft, which was in the midst of the Vista disaster and didn't want anyone thinking about migrating to Linux until Windows 7 was safely on the market.

    They bought some Linux licenses from SCO to help fund the litigation, isn't that right? There was more than a little evidence the whole thing was really litigation by proxy.

    Those were the days the Big B was making personal appearances in the corporate jet to talk a couple cities out of switching to Linux. One went ahead and one in the U.K. threw in the towel if memory serves.

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    1. Re:You left out Microsoft by alphax45 · · Score: 2

      Not being a jerk; but I would love to see some sources on this that would confirm M$ helped SCO out.

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    2. Re:You left out Microsoft by Desler · · Score: 2

      They purchased a license for Unix technology from SCO in 2003 but that was 4 years before VIsta came out.

    3. Re:You left out Microsoft by Abalamahalamatandra · · Score: 3, Informative

      This would probably be a good place to start.

    4. Re:You left out Microsoft by andydread · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Microsoft gave them 13 million for a "Unix License" Translation: "Use this money to keep suing people using Linux" Microsoft even went further. It got a lot jucier. Google the terms "Mike Anderer", Baystar Capital, RBC, Microsoft.

      Its well known that Microsoft is involved in a lot of sleazy shady behind the scenes shenanigans. From funding the SCO lawsuit in order to try to stop Linux and Open Source, to stacking standards comittees their by corrupting them, to coercing vendors not to use competing O/Ses to, Using mobster-like tactics with dubious software-patents to stifle opensource in the marketplace. Microsoft is rarely a company that simply competes in the marketplace based on the merit of their product in the market. Its their M/O

    5. Re:You left out Microsoft by alphax45 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. Thank you.

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    6. Re:You left out Microsoft by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 1

      I would love to see some sources on this that would confirm M$ helped SCO out.

      Google: Microsoft royal bank of canada sco infusion

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    7. Re:You left out Microsoft by FaxeTheCat · · Score: 1

      Sun also purchased license for megabucks. Before Microsoft... http://news.cnet.com/2100-1016-1024633.html

    8. Re:You left out Microsoft by dkleinsc · · Score: 2

      If you read only one of those, read Halloween 10, in which a consultant to SCO is writing to SCO's CFO about how Microsoft gave them $86 million to work with.

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    9. Re:You left out Microsoft by ak3ldama · · Score: 1

      In the middle of Scocades didn't it surface that they got a lot of money from Microsoft, which was in the midst of the Vista disaster and didn't want anyone thinking about migrating to Linux until Windows 7 was safely on the market.

      They purchased a license for Unix technology from SCO in 2003 but that was 4 years before VIsta came out.

      How is this confusing you?

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    10. Re:You left out Microsoft by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here you go:
      http://groklaw.net/article.php?story=20061009152706664

      It's Larry Goldfarb's Declaration in SCO v.
      IBM, where he details why he invested.

      Also, see Mike Anderer's email to SCO's Chris Sontag about attracting more Microsoft money:
      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20040304174457123

      Also Anderer's statement about Microsoft's
      strategy to sue Linux folk over and over
      until they were out of business:
      http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=2004031219075674

  6. And Darl? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

    Is he staying at the Y and buying his clothing from the salvation army now? Or did he collect a tidy sum when he got fired?

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  7. Those who cannot remember the past by medv4380 · · Score: 3, Insightful
    ... are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana

    I'd rather be reminded of SCO and what they've done every now and then. If not then we might slip up and another SCO will come and we'll have to repeat this all over again, or worse someone like SCO might win because we're off guard.

    1. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by andydread · · Score: 4, Informative

      Its already happening unfortunately. This time with software-patents and Microsft is doing it directly now rather than using a proxy like SCO they are quietly going around to companies and telling them if you use Linux then you need to pay up or face litigation. They are not sending letters they are sending layers and everything is done under NDA so you cannot talk about it in the press. Its very shady but they are already doing this. The goal is to stain/destroy Linux in the marketplace

    2. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 0

      ... are condemned to repeat it - George Santayana

      Is that why he died in 1952 - he forgot that people before him had died?

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    3. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by idontgno · · Score: 4, Insightful

      The great failing of Santayana's wisdom is that no one believes the lessons of history applies to them. Movers, shakers, and other douchebags are exceptionalism personified. They're above the rules, lessons, restrictions, or morals that the suckers in the streets are subject to. No matter what happened before, it won't happen to them, because they're just different. Visionary. Smarter. More aggressive. They shift the paradigm. The break the mold.

      No one is more surprised* when karmic justice catches up with a Great Person than the Great Person himself. Just ask Darl.

      *Corollary: When karma runs over a Great Person's dogma, it's someone else's fault. The Stab in the Back. Treason. The fickleness and weakness of the Great Person's followers. Whatever. It's not the Great Person's fault. Just ask 'em.

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    4. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by jbolden · · Score: 1

      That was over Android not Linux. Though as an aside you are behind the times. Barnes and Noble refused to cave and wanted to go trial and make the claims specific and public. Microsoft responded by offering by offering a licensing deal to B&N for $300m. While I'd love to know the details, the good guys won that round.

    5. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by andydread · · Score: 1

      You think this started with Android? This started with Linux. Of the three links I posted only one of those were about Android which is based on... wait for it.. Linux. And here it is from the Ballmer

    6. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by MrHanky · · Score: 1

      No, the great failing of Santayana's 'wisdom' is that it's evident bullshit. There's oh so much stuff that no one has ever bothered learning from history, yet rarely is any of it repeated. That's some exceptionally weak condemnation right there. It's just another saying that has some air of wisdom while being absolutely void of any insight whatsoever. Pure, unadulterated dumbfuckery, perfectly tailored for the free market of ideas.

    7. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I understand Microsoft's theory but suits were in the Android era. Read that article you linked to. Its well written and describes the timeline.

    8. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When karma runs over a Great Person's dogma, it's someone else's fault. The Stab in the Back. Treason.

      These are not Great People. This is a sign of smallness. Many small people get lucky and make it big.

    9. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can't wait for this sockpuppet account to run out of karma, like those before it.

      You'll say that you're justified in having sockpuppets, because your terrible karma is due to liberal mods and not your off-topic, hostile, misinformed drivel. Blame everybody but yourself.

    10. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by cpu6502 · · Score: 1

      >>>When karma runs over a Great Person's dogma, it's someone else's fault. The Stab in the Back. Treason. The fickleness and weakness of the Great Person's followers. Whatever. It's not the Great Person's fault. Just ask 'em.

      EXAMPLE: How our current "Great Man" also president blame the Republicans for "blocking his initiatives" even though it was the Democrats who controlled Congress for 4 years (2 years under Bush and 2 years under Obama). Blame everybody else but themselves.

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    11. Re:Those who cannot remember the past by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hi Mr. Hanky, you sound a little dried out.

      I'd bother to argue here, but your statement is such evident dumbfuckery, I think it speaks for itself. And hey, I'm going to bet you won't learn fuck-all from this and will post another ass-hat response to another /. post in the future.

  8. Sue ALL the things! by ebh · · Score: 1

    Allie, put that on a T-shirt and I'll buy it!

    1. Re:Sue ALL the things! by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      This meme usage seems anachronistic somehow. Can... can they do that?

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    2. Re:Sue ALL the things! by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      What put a saying on a t-shirt well i am waring a t-shirt with writing on it so yup they can.
      Or did you mean sue everything?
      To answer that just look at the mobile world and android they are having their own SCO moment brought to them by Apple which happens to be another company bailed out at one time by Microsoft (back during the MS anti-monopoly case they bailed out apple and ported office to keep apple afloat so they could say the weren't a monopoly) apple like SCO (caldera linux) used to be a linux contributer ( mklinux)
      Also Nokia is suing everyone but MS and Apple. Nokia is getting lots of money from Microsoft to be a Windows phone shop. They also a have a former MS executive as their CEO now.
      This makes me wonder is it a requirement of taking money from Microsoft to sell your soul to the evil pattent troll gods? if so How did poor bungie get out alive?

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    3. Re:Sue ALL the things! by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 1

      Silly. I was talking about the usage of the meme "X all the things."

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  9. You forgot MS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Also worth noting is that Microsoft loaned dollars to SCO to continue fighting against linux.

  10. Was SCO in the right though? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Both have:

    int i;

    in their codes. Coincidence? I think not.

    1. Re:Was SCO in the right though? by armanox · · Score: 2

      Well, it is in Linux...

      armanox@w2164:/usr/src$ grep -R "int i" linux-3.5.2/* | wc -l
      57894

      Now can I see the SCO source to compare?

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  11. Where's Darl? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where is Darl these days? Hopefully CEO of nothing.....

  12. where this blame by FrenchDoors · · Score: 1

    Seruiosly, when and where this blame be placed??

    1. Re: where this blame by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      On all of us.. for propping up a system that rewards bullies.

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  13. "wrath of shareholders"? by v1 · · Score: 1

    twice you mention that, without ever saying what exactly the shareholders could do about it besides sell? Which from the looks of it going for 2 cents/share I'd say happened anyway. or am I missing something? I'd say all the "wrath of the shareholders" could be summed up in one of three ways: piss, moan, and SELL.

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    1. Re:"wrath of shareholders"? by lister+king+of+smeg · · Score: 1

      someone should start a kickstart to buy all of the old SCO stock and donate to the Linux foundation. mean if its like a $0.25 it should be easy and cheap enough to get most if not all of it. Just think of the Sweat poetic justice of Linux then owning SCO.

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  14. Lets also not forget by andydread · · Score: 5, Informative
    FTS

    At this point, SCO's claims were sounding dubious at best, so they showed off two samples of alleged copied code at a reseller show later that month. However, the code in question was shown to be part of BSD, and previously released under the BSD license. In spite of this, SCO decided that to save face, they should waste everyone's time with continuing their warpath of litigation.

    Aided by Microsoft Corp and Sun Microsystems Inc. direct investment of $23,000,000 dollars to fund the lawsuit and an additional $50,000,000 dollars organized by Microsoft to funnel funds to SCO through Baystar Captial and RBC facilitated by one Mike Anderer IIRC.

    Also the saga with Maureen O'Gara, Dan Lyons, Rob Enderle and others that were caught spreading misinformation in the IT media on behalf of Microsoft and SCO in this case.

    1. Re:Lets also not forget by jbolden · · Score: 2

      Rob Enderle -- has written a fairly long explication of his involvement. His reputation is permanently damaged.
      Maureen O'Gara -- didn't have much of a reputation to start with but there are now many articles that insinuate she fabricated information for pay, which is likely about the worst she did.
      Dan Lyons -- The link to his apology is easy to find http://www.forbes.com/2007/09/19/software-linux-lawsuits-tech-oped-cx_dl_0919lyons.html

      But I still thought it would be foolish to predict how this lawsuit (or any lawsuit) would play out. I even wrote an article called "Revenge of the Nerds," which poked fun at the pack of amateur sleuths who were following the case on a Web site called Groklaw and who claimed to know for sure that SCO was going to lose.

      Turns out those amateur sleuths were right. Now some of them are writing to me asking how I'd like my crow cooked, and where I'd like it delivered.

      Others in that highly partisan crowd have suggested that I wanted SCO to win, and even that I was paid off by SCO or Microsoft. Of course that's not true. I've told these folks it's not true. Hasn't stopped them.

      The truth, as is often the case, is far less exciting than the conspiracy theorists would like to believe. It is simply this: I got it wrong. The nerds got it right.

    2. Re:Lets also not forget by laing · · Score: 1

      Sun had recently settled their lawsuit with Microsoft over Java with undisclosed terms. A conspiracy theorist might wonder whether those terms included Sun acting as a proxy for Microsoft in channeling that $23M to Caldera/TSG/SCO.

  15. The Beast Is Not Dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    From wikipedia:

    On April 9, 2010 McBride purchased the SCO Mobility intellectual property from The SCO Group for $100,000. The company is now known as Me Inc. and as of June 10, 2011, McBride is President and CEO.

    1. Re:The Beast Is Not Dead by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Any Linux patents in there? :-)

      Soooo.. It looks like the person who actually caused all of this trouble got off scot-free. To me that's the only relevant part of this whole story. I mean, who cares if the company name ends up in the discount bin? The actual belligerents are laughing all the way to the bank. In the end, what was accomplished? Linux is still at risk of these patent exploits with or without SCO.

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    2. Re:The Beast Is Not Dead by jbolden · · Score: 1

      SCO started as a copyright claim. The main thing in question was the claim that Linux SMP was in violation and that has been resolved in Linux's favor.

  16. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Blaming the shareholders for the decisions made by the board is like blaming a populace for the decisions made by the government that rules over them. Common sense is all you need to realize that it's just a stinking pile of B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.

  17. The SCO Group - Not Santa Cruz Operation by tenchima · · Score: 4, Informative

    Just wanted to remind people that this farce was initiated by the company called Caldera when they bought SCO (The Santa Cruz Operation). They renamed themselves The SCO Group ("...SCO no longer means Santa Cruz Operation..."), but it was still the Caldera management calling the shots.

    The Santa Cruz Operation was a good company to work for. I can't say the same for Caldera. When the take-over occurred, the lucky ones (IMHO) go to go to Tarantella (eventually subsumed into what was Sun). The red-headed step-children got to stay behind with the sinking ship. And boy, was I ^H ^H ^H ^H ^H were they glad top be let go before the Darl McBride hit the fan.

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    1. Re:The SCO Group - Not Santa Cruz Operation by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Given that Caldera and RedHat were among the first distributors of Linux, how exactly did that work? Did Caldera fold their distro? Even if they did, what was out there was out there - under the GPL. So didn't/couldn't other companies have pointed out that any common code b/w Unix and Linux actually came from Caldera itself?

    2. Re:The SCO Group - Not Santa Cruz Operation by devjoe · · Score: 1

      Ironically, Caldera was a Linux company before they become The SCO Group and turned into a lawsuit fountain. One of the many fun pastimes of people in the early days of Groklaw was pointing out where The SCO Group was distributing the exact Linux files they claimed infringing, with accompanying GPL. But before long they shut down the Linux distribution.

    3. Re:The SCO Group - Not Santa Cruz Operation by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Not really. Caldera was Bryan Sparks and Ransom Love. Caldera died when McBride moved in.

    4. Re:The SCO Group - Not Santa Cruz Operation by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Sorry I replied before realizing you used to work there.

      In which case I understand you hate Caldera but by the time Caldera bought SCO they weren't the Caldera that had been part of Linux. The integration was bad between those two companies and their interests conflicted.

    5. Re:The SCO Group - Not Santa Cruz Operation by tenchima · · Score: 1

      Actually - I stand corrected on that. I never had much dealings with Bryan Sparks, but Ransom Love seemed genuinely interested in trying to make the two companies work together. I think I saw the writing on the wall when he left. I don't hate Caldera per se, but as for the hacks who came in after Sparks and Love to run it...

      There seemed to be a belief that through some sort of osmosis SCO UNIX users would just transfer to Caldera Linux. There was however no firm path defined for users how to do this. When the bubble burst, and no more investment money came in, there seemed to be a desperate scrabble to bring money in from the only paying source available, which was SCO UNIX, not Caldera Linux. Of course, support can be a problem when you already let a good part of your UNIX engineering and support staff go...

       

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    6. Re:The SCO Group - Not Santa Cruz Operation by jbolden · · Score: 1

      If it is after Ransom Love that was the McBride era. On the osmosis issue I wrote an article years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_OpenLinux . Caldera around '95 had written an compatibility layer to allow UnixWare apps to run on their Linux. They had really believed that United Linux was the obvious migration path. The resellers didn't see it that way. Caldera was in some ways ahead of its time by a few years. If they hadn't bought SCO and used the money from the DR DOS settlement to run the business they might very well have lasted to the point when people were migrating.

      But its tough for a company that spent a decade selling "Unixware is old school switch to us" to change over to "Unixware is great want a support contract?"

  18. Its time... by interval1066 · · Score: 1
    ...to LMFAO.

    DaimlerChrysler was just walking down the opposite side of the street and accidentally made eye contact with SCO, and they got sued as well.

    I can (probably) do it without getting sued now too...

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  19. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    SCO goes Chapter 11 then Chapter 7

    Sounds to me like if corporations are people too (R) this one go the death penalty.

  20. No clinging by fm6 · · Score: 1

    "Clinging" presupposes they have a choice. If nobody wants your shares, how do you sell them?

    Actually, some fools do want worthless "penny stocks.". Lots of people speculate in them for much the same reason people play the lottery. That's what all the spam about "hot tip: United Fecal Matter is set to take off!" is about.

    1. Re:No clinging by jamstar7 · · Score: 2

      Actually, some fools do want worthless "penny stocks.". Lots of people speculate in them for much the same reason people play the lottery. That's what all the spam about "hot tip: United Fecal Matter is set to take off!" is about.

      Those spams are pretty much 'pump & dump' scams. Somebody buys an email list from a list broker, then snarfs up a few hundred thousand shares of some penny stock, spams the planet, waits for the stock to move up, and dumps them for a couple quick bucks. Hardcore daytraders used to get taken by this all the time til they wised up.

      I just keep in mind the old saw about "Know how to make a small fortune in the stock market? Start with a large fortune!"

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  21. Groklaw = SCO = /. by rjejr · · Score: 1

    I think I started reading /. about the time this all started and have found it quite amusing. In a "our legal systems is retarded" way.

  22. Let's not forget that human garbage can Dan Lyons! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Dan Lyons wrote article after article for Forbes magazine hyping the "strength" of SCO's case.

  23. Daryl McBride by hackus · · Score: 1

    I am writing about software patents and came across Daryl's current picture online.

    The guy is probably living in a show box. His house was foreclosed, and afterward I see most of his assets have been destroyed.

    In my opinion, given the criminal activity he engaged in on the stand, and also flirting with the RICO Act sending fortune 500 companies write downs to the tune of "You better buy a SCO license, otherwise we will sue you for millions.", he should be in jail.

    If he ever finds work, make sure you don't buy _anything_ from the company that employs him because given his illegal and deceptive professional activities of the past, any company that feels those are good resume entries shouldn't get your business.

    -Hack

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  24. Those who cannot remember the past.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    are condemned to repeat it.

    Now, this whole SCO saga is one thing we do not wish to see repeated, right ? We definitely need to look back. a lot.

  25. The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 2

    I don't understand how someone can be such a jerk and we can say "oh, yeah, well, they had to do it because of the shareholders."

    Then you don't understand capitalism. Publicly held companies are driven by just one priority: increase shareholder value. If a CEO's conscience interferes with that goal, the shareholders soon appoint somebody else.

    You're upset about McBride's pursuit of frivolous litigation? Corporations have been known to kill people in pursuit of profit. That's why socialism was such a popular doctrine through much of the 20th century. Of course socialism has its own evils (aside from its own share of mass murder, socialist economies are just not viable), so we're not going to dispense with capitalism any time soon. But we have to curb its evils and its stupidities, no matter how much Mitt tries to tell us otherwise.

    1. Re:The Holy Shareholders by jbolden · · Score: 1

      30 years ago corporations had to meet multiple criteria. Their activities had to the advantage of stakeholders not just shareholders:

      the community they operated in
      workers
      ownership (shareholders)
      vendors
      society at large

      They could lose their charter for failing to meet those obligations. There are some good ideas from the 1970s we should bring back.

    2. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Are you kidding? Corporate corruption was rampant during the 70s Ever hear of ITT?

      Name a corporation that's ever lost its charter for being bad for "society at large".

    3. Re:The Holy Shareholders by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Cleveland Clinic refused to cooperate with the city in a zoning dispute had its charter revoked and its building taken under eminent domain.

    4. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I'm talking about publically-held corporations. You're talking about a non-profit.

    5. Re:The Holy Shareholders by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I can't find any examples of for profit corporations since the 1840s.

    6. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      So, all we have to do is roll our economic model to back before the age of steam...

    7. Re:The Holy Shareholders by Kismet · · Score: 1

      I'm in favor. Local and family businesses sound pretty good to me.

    8. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      So, no mass production? No large-scale farming? Get ready to pay a lot more money for everything.

    9. Re:The Holy Shareholders by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Not all of it. Just our mistrust of immortal persons and a willingness to treat for profit entities like we do non profit ones today. But it is disappointing that governments haven't used the authority except in the example of non profits. Could catch on your part.

    10. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      I think the important point is that threatening to lift an organization's charter for vague, general reasons is pretty impractical. It happened to Cleveland Clinic because they were mismanaging a important community resource. It would be very hard to justify that for a forprofit corporation. "Hello, IBM? We're shutting you down because your public stakeholders think you're a bunch of creeps."

      I think you've latched onto one of those internet memes that proposes some magic formula to make things right. If you want big corporations to behave, you need to better laws and regulations, and better enforcement of same, That's complicated and boring and makes a louse meme, but it's the only way that's going to work.

    11. Re:The Holy Shareholders by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I'm all for better laws, though the ones we have are good just mostly not enforced.

      As for pulling charters... it could be easily done. Assume that a company's right to operate in a state could be pulled by public referendum that would have a huge impact on corporate behavior. Assume the US treasury had this power and used it regularly. That would clean up corporations.

      Now I agree that a treasury department that would have no problem disbanding large corporations is also a treasury department that doesn't need to. But Timothy Geitner frequently complained about his lack of legal authority to do what he needed to do during the crisis. Our governing official do frequently complain they lack sufficient legal powers.

    12. Re:The Holy Shareholders by lysdexia · · Score: 1

      "... and makes a louse meme"

      Great, now I'm all itchy.

    13. Re:The Holy Shareholders by Kismet · · Score: 1

      Let's dump the mature money economy too!

    14. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Subsistence farming is a really boring way to make a living.

    15. Re:The Holy Shareholders by Kismet · · Score: 1

      Surely many people did better than mere subsistence farming before the age of the mass-production economy.

      Besides, we've learned some things since then. What are the possibilities? Are there ways to express technical innovation through local economies? How could local economies cooperate? Could independent coterminous spheres of consumption and production integrate to replace a global economy?

      Anyway, there might be a mass movement somewhere in all of that, but I suppose it's something people would do because they wanted to try it. Maybe they would get sick of being cogs in a machine or something, and figure that even subsistence farming is less boring than whatever cubicle they presently pass their days in. :)

    16. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      The worst cubicle job in the world is better than 12 hour days following a donkey around a field.

      Technical innovation is important, but it isn't very valuable without means to turn it into mass-produced goods. That means large-scale production, not little factories scattered little independent entities. Without large-scale industry, the computer you're using right now, which has more computing power than existed on the entire planet 40 years ago, would simply not exist. And not because nobody knew how to build it, but because nobody could afford to.

    17. Re:The Holy Shareholders by Kismet · · Score: 1

      The worst cubicle job in the world is better than 12 hour days following a donkey around a field.

      An entirely subjective opinion that justifies itself in a gross misrepresentation of the work entailed.

      Technical innovation is important, but it isn't very valuable without means to turn it into mass-produced goods. That means large-scale production, not little factories scattered little independent entities. Without large-scale industry, the computer you're using right now, which has more computing power than existed on the entire planet 40 years ago, would simply not exist. And not because nobody knew how to build it, but because nobody could afford to.

      Maybe so. I wonder how the tech landscape would begin to change if people started looking increasingly to small businesses and family trades for their employment. I have a suspicion that the large-scale industry, which is already in the hands of an increasing few, would still survive. I bet the sinecure management positions we invent for ourselves in these wealthy areas could disappear and the industry would end up adapting pretty well.

    18. Re:The Holy Shareholders by fm6 · · Score: 1

      An entirely subjective opinion that justifies itself in a gross misrepresentation of the work entailed.

      Have you ever plowed a field? If not, your evaluation is as subjective as mine, and a lot less consistent with basic human psychology.

    19. Re:The Holy Shareholders by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you ever plowed a field? If not, your evaluation is as subjective as mine, and a lot less consistent with basic human psychology.

      Nonsense talk. When one points out that a statement involving value assertions, for which there is no objective quantification possible, is "subjective," that person is not making a subjective evaluation. It is a fact that the values and meanings attached to things arise from the subjects who consider them and are not instrinsic in those things. The business of "better than" isn't science, it's religion. When it comes to the superiority of one occupation (political party, religion, school of art, music genre, etc., etc.,) over another, you can persuade, but you can't prove.

      It's entirely possible that many people love working the land and wouldn't trade a hard day's work in the fields with any other kind of work. Actually, I'm related to some of them.

  26. A study in brilliant lawyering by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    On Groklaw, PJ would often compare and contrast the shoddy documents prepared by SCO's legal team with those prepared for the other side.

    The documents prepared for IBM, for instance, were often paragons of great communication and very good law. If you want to learn how to do that, they are excellent examples.

    On the other hand, SCO's lawyers managed to keep the cases in front of the courts without being pitched out as completely baseless.

    My favorite example: The judge agreed that SCO had probably caused considerable damage to Novell. It was also obvious to everyone, except the judge, that SCO was going to fritter away all its money and there would be nothing left to pay damages to Novell. In spite of that, the judge was convinced to let SCO continue without even setting aside enough to eventually pay Novell.

    SCO's lawyers got their way about ten times more than most people would think was reasonable. The work often looked like crap but it sure was effective. They knew they stood no chance of winning. They gave us the best example of 'scorched earth' since 1942. Why would they do that? It sure lends credence to the theory that the whole thing was done at the behest of Microsoft to damage linux.

  27. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by chrb · · Score: 2

    I don't understand how someone can be such a jerk and we can say "oh, yeah, well, they had to do it because of the shareholders."

    I still don't understand why the shareholders haven't called for an explanation of the mysterious investments that bankrolled this whole thing:

    BayStar Capital and Royal Bank of Canada invested US$50 million in The SCO Group to support the legal cost of SCO's Linux campaign. Later it was shown that BayStar was referred to SCO by Microsoft
    On March 4, 2004, a leaked SCO internal e-mail detailed how Microsoft had raised up to $106 million via the BayStar referral and other means.[60] Blake Stowell of SCO confirmed the memo was real.[61] BayStar claimed the deal was suggested by Microsoft

    It's been pretty clear that Microsoft was involved in providing indirect financing for SCO - surely there are some investors who lost money and would want to expose these shady deals, and sue Microsoft for subverting SCO and turning it into a litigation vehicle, rather than the independent enterprise that the board claimed it to be?

  28. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by inode_buddha · · Score: 2

    It doesn't make any sense on the face of it, until you recall who the "shareholders" actually are. The shareholders aren't the Wall St riff-raff. Rather the shareholders were the guys on the board of directors, and also Darl McBride. They all stood to make huge $$$ off trashing the company, and they did. Microsoft effectively covered the legal fees paid to Boies Schiller thru a front company if you recall. So ultimately it didn't cost anyone anything - They all got what they wanted and probably made big $$$ too, even MS.

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  29. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    someone had a nutter... those are the words, or themes attributed to their actions. is describes the internal motivations for doing such. not the outside world's view on what they are doing. SCO has stated that they want to continue the litigation for their creditors/ shareholders. so The writing expresses their ideas..... not those of the author

  30. The SCO Zombies Will Eat Our Brains! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This is just tempting fate. SCO has managed to shuffle around like a Zombie more then a few times when we thought it was dead. This time we should maybe launch the CEO into the Sun, just to be safe.

  31. Pat on the back to /. by jbolden · · Score: 3, Insightful

    One thing that didn't get mentioned was prior to groklaw a lot of the counterfactual information was being collected here. People who later had testimony related to this issue found out about it from /. I think some pats on the back to Taco ... are in order.

    As for IBM they are certainly a winner. For a few tens of millions they got 4-5 years of fantastic PR which moved them from being a vendor exploiting Linux to the defender of Linux and warmly embraced by the Linux community. This has helped their consulting business to the tune of billions in revenue as techi-nerds/geeks didn't push against executive management's favorite vendor.

    Sun was a huge loser. They had originally sided with SCO and they never lived down the alienation from the open source community. They remained mistrusted.

    Microsoft was a loser. Microsoft tied themselves to this lawsuit early and many of their more legitimate arguments against open source were discredited along with the fantasies of Darl McBride.

    The GPL was a huge winner. 2 major claims: was the GPL legal at all under the copyright clause was tested and the counter claims collapsed. More importantly the idea of a company issuing a GPL release and then revoking licenses was tested in court with the GPL holding up.

    Web 2.0 was a winner. Sco v. IBM represents the first Web 2.0 trial were important witnesses found out about the trial and presented evidence (i.e. self deposed) based on online publicity.

    Democracy was a winner. SCO made several claims that were detrimental to the rights of public participation in trials which were thrown out.

    Tarantella was a loser. No one technical wanted anything to do with SCO. They ended up being bought by Sun and withering even there.

    There are few wars with such clean cut good guys, bad guys.

  32. Forgot 1 by jbolden · · Score: 3, Informative

    Oh I forgot.

    The reporters who originally sided with SCO were huge losers. SCO v. IBM was one of the few times (Judith Miller and Iraq being another) where reporters who engaged in unethical conduct were outed and their conduct has become part of their public profile.

    And for the same reason as above, integrity in journalism was a winner.

  33. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by Abreu · · Score: 1

    Blaming the shareholders for the decisions made by the board is like blaming a populace for the decisions made by the government that rules over them. Common sense is all you need to realize that it's just a stinking pile of B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.

    And still, people commonly blame the populace for the decisions made by their goverments. "People have the goverment they deserve" and all that shit.

    Look at the Greeks and the Spaniards, and how they are being blamed for Europe's economic woes.

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  34. Success through litigation by PPH · · Score: 1

    Apple, are you reading this?

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  35. Awful abuse of the legal process and bankruptcy by durdur · · Score: 2

    So, Novell was awarded $3 million in 2008 but they have not to this day seen a dime of it. SCO declared bankruptcy and from that point on, various attorneys and advisers got paid, and the bankruptcy trustee, but not the creditors. This went on until no money was left, and now they're going into Chapter 7.

    And the IBM case was stayed by the bankruptcy. IBM had a very good counter-suit against SCO for defamation and interfering with IBM's business by wrongfully claiming IBM had no right to sell their Unix product, AIX. This case can now technically be resumed now that SCO is out of Chapter 11, but IBM will never see any monetary compensation, even if they win, because of course SCO has no money.

    The whole thing illustrates very well why companies incorporate in Delaware, because the bankruptcy process there practically guarantees that nobody with a claim against the company will get anything. At least if this case is any indication.

    1. Re:Awful abuse of the legal process and bankruptcy by MysteriousPreacher · · Score: 1

      With so much litigation, a long track record of failure, and a rapidly deteriorating financial position, it seems odd that they were able to persist until they destroyed any value that could have been used to settle the debts due to the companies they tried to shake-down. Shouldn't there be some point at which legal action is stopped when a plaintiff is clearly unable already to deal with the costs it's running up on other people's tabs?

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  36. Assets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We can only home that someone like IBM gets (or buys) all the so called assets of SCO and publicly drives a silver steak through the heart of the paperwork. What worries me is that some nefarious creep gets a hold of the so called IP and this thing never goes away.

  37. Long lost Caldera OpenLinux by MaxDude · · Score: 2

    Let us not forget the other victim in all of this - Caldera OpenLinux.

    I know, it's a long dead distribution, but it was well ahead of it's time when SCO killed it to focus on it's Litigation-for-Profit business model. I often wonder what would have happened if Caldera Linux had survived.

  38. Chapter 11 declared BEFORE trial began by Insanity+Defense · · Score: 1

    [p]As recall The SCO Group didn't file for Chapter 11 after Novell won the trial but the Friday before the actual trial began. Thus delaying the case(s) for some time.[/p]

  39. correction by durdur · · Score: 1

    SCO Group did not buy The Santa Cruz Operation, but instead had bought certain assets from them, and had some rights to use Unix in specific ways under contract. The court ruled that this contract did not transfer the copyrights (in fact, it ruled Santa Cruz Operation didn't own them either, Novell retained ownership). There was quite a bit of willful obfuscation by SCO where they preferred to let on that they had just inherited Unix ownership from The Santa Cruz Operation, and the name similarity helped this little slight of hand. But it didn't hold up in court.

  40. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by RabidReindeer · · Score: 1

    Blaming the shareholders for the decisions made by the board is like blaming a populace for the decisions made by the government that rules over them. Common sense is all you need to realize that it's just a stinking pile of B-U-L-L-S-H-I-T.

    If you have to strip naked to fly from one part of the USA to another part of the USA, it's because you - and 314 million of your closest friends - elected people who passed the laws that made it not merely possible, but mandatory. We may be a "republic", but we're a democratic republic.

    On the other hand, corporations are "Citizens United" democratic republics. Not one person, one vote, but one share, one vote, and the bulk of the shares are almost always in the hands of a few executives and/or insitutional investors. Thus the board doesn't reflect the majority of the share holders, just the majority shareholders. Which, in the case of SCO...

  41. Damn, pretty soon. by HolyCrapSCOsux · · Score: 1

    My Nick will be obsolete soon....

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  42. Who will write the novel? by dpbsmith · · Score: 1

    A modern-day Dickens could do something with it.

    "Jarndyce and Jarndyce drones on. This scarecrow of a suit has, in course of time, become so complicated that no man alive knows what it means. The parties to it understand it least, but it has been observed that no two Chancery lawyers can talk about it for five minutes without coming to a total disagreement as to all the premises. Innumerable children have been born into the cause; innumerable young people have married into it; innumerable old people have died out of it. Scores of persons have deliriously found themselves made parties in Jarndyce and Jarndyce without knowing how or why; whole families have inherited legendary hatreds with the suit. The little plaintiff or defendant who was promised a new rocking-horse when Jarndyce and Jarndyce should be settled has grown up, possessed himself of a real horse, and trotted away into the other world. Fair wards of court have faded into mothers and grandmothers; a long procession of Chancellors has come in and gone out; the legion of bills in the suit have been transformed into mere bills of mortality; there are not three Jarndyces left upon the earth perhaps since old Tom Jarndyce in despair blew his brains out at a coffee-house in Chancery Lane; but Jarndyce and Jarndyce still drags its dreary length before the court, perennially hopeless."--Charles Dickens, Bleak House

  43. DOES NOVELL STILL HAVE THE COPYRIGHTS? by rathaven · · Score: 2

    My biggest concern is that on the back of this there is Novell's takeover by Attachmate (funded in part by the sell off of patents). Who has them now...?

    1. Re:DOES NOVELL STILL HAVE THE COPYRIGHTS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is a concern, however, IBM like others have perpetual licenses. Hopefully anyone thinking of buying the Unix IP and pulling another SCO will think twice about suing IBM.

    2. Re:DOES NOVELL STILL HAVE THE COPYRIGHTS? by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

      Novell already said that Linux does not infringe on UNIX copyrights. It would be pretty hard for someone to buy the copyrights with that out there and then turn around and say "oh... wait... we bought it from people who said Linux didn't violate UNIX Copyrights... but after we bought it we changed our minds."

    3. Re:DOES NOVELL STILL HAVE THE COPYRIGHTS? by rathaven · · Score: 1

      Couldn't they argue that there was self interest involved rather than a fair statement of fact. If you look at old ground and consider the Microsoft litigation regards code being stolen and Novell's (then) indemnity stance against litigation by Microsoft or others on behalf of their paid customers, could it be argued that Novell were using these to safeguard code they owned?

  44. speaking truth to power by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Came for that comment, wasn't disappointed.
    Sorry valiant AC, I don't have any mod points for you today.

  45. Even more ridiculous in context... by RobL3 · · Score: 1

    Look at what's happened in the tech world during the last ten years... Hell, just look at the Linux world - who would have thought IBM would be selling Linux as the "never-get-fired-for choosing-IBM" mid-tier server option? It's not just that our legal system can't keep up with the ever-increasing pace of change, It's having trouble staying in the same freaking decade. I fear the coming patent wars and their effect on innovation. Hell, when this story broke I had a high /. UID.....

  46. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by Darinbob · · Score: 1

    This is one of the key problems with corporations. Corporations are amoral creatures because in many ways there is never one single person that gets involved in moral decisions. At every level, including with the CEO, employees just say "I'm just following orders". Except the ultimate bosses are just the shareholders which can be an amorphous concept. They aren't actually running the company, they leave that to the execs and as long as there are profits they aren't going to second guess or micromanage the company. However the executives at the same time are always acutely aware that they must make a big profit, always bigger than the previous quarter, or they'll may end up being fired. ( actually being fired is not a big deal, fired CEOs are hot commodities and many companies would rather hire a failed CEO who has learned a lesson than to promote an unknown vice president) Of course they have a lot of latitude about how they make a profit and it really is under the control of the CEO. Only there's this implicit boss in the background that the CEO can't ignore.

  47. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    An excellent piece. But reason and logic doesn't come into it. Pax Americana is over, the "IP" mantra is all that is left. All of our consumer [US + EU] products are made in the east, better and cheaper than we can do it. That's life.

    Turn off the TV, get rid of it if you can convince your wife/kids. Consumerism will evaporate in your home. Visit you local parks, get books from your library, use then for evening events, be happy.

    Tech is a wankfest. Let it die. You have no control over it, other than what's in your wallet.

    Be happy.

  48. Tarantella by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    And to think I go to school in the building that SCO used to use. There are still SCO mugs around the place.

  49. Don't Say Laid To Rest by theshowmecanuck · · Score: 1

    Don't even think the term laid to rest. People have to stay on SCO till it is "ground into dust". Otherwise it can and will if at all possible rezombify and attack again. It is in need of a double tap to the head to ensure it stays down. Laid to rest makes it sound so peaceful and that will soon be calmly over. Don't stop driving till it is gone. That will also put the fear of whatever into other scumbags like SCO. Killer instinct needed on this one.

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  50. Dance by gargleblast · · Score: 1

    Even if it may be too early to dance on SCO's grave ...

    Look on the bright side: It's not too late to dance on their carcass.

  51. The real winners by seeker_1us · · Score: 1

    Daryl and his cronies, who made a shitload of money while The SCO Group burned.

  52. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My understanding of "wrath of the shareholders" is that the lawsuit is the only thing legally protecting them from the wrath. Anyone who is a shareholder is probably furious over the current stock price and would like nothing better than to sue the pants off the board, but they can't until the lawsuit is resolved. They aren't doing it because the shareholders want it.

    The shareholders who profited from the lawsuit have long since left. Even the board have milked as much money as they can. Now they're doing everything they can come up with to survive the fallout. One of their dangers are the shareholders who bought in at $20 believing in the value of the lawsuit and are now stuck with penny stocks.

  53. Caldera, Unixware and Unix by unixisc · · Score: 1

    What exactly was/is the difference b/w Unixware and any other Unix? Just the fact that Unixware includes Netware support as well as IPX/SPX, right? Or is there anything more to that? On a different note, has the Open Group ever defined or released an SVR5/6/7 definition, or for that matter, a Unixware definition (since they own the Unixware brand name as well?) They certify whether an OS is Unix or not, so do they do the same for whether an OS is Unixware or not?

    1. Re:Caldera, Unixware and Unix by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Unixware was a Novell/SCO brandname for their Unix. In terms of the difference there was a greater focus on working well and helping people transition from Netware to more Unix (i.e. what we today call "standard internet" type services). The OpenGroup doesn't own the Unixware trademark, SCO owned that.

      In terms of a specification: http://www.unix.org/what_is_unix/single_unix_specification.html

    2. Re:Caldera, Unixware and Unix by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Actually no, if you read here, in the second para, last sentence, it says that the Open Group also owns the trademark UNIXWARE. TSG just owned the product that Novell made, and sold all their Unix assets to UnXis.

    3. Re:Caldera, Unixware and Unix by jbolden · · Score: 1

      You are right about the trademark. Anyway regardless of the trademark my answer still stands. Though its odd to sell the brand name to one person and the brand to another.

    4. Re:Caldera, Unixware and Unix by inode_buddha · · Score: 1

      Its called the Single UNIX Specification. Informally known as the POSIX spec. You can read/download it here: http://www.unix.org/version4/

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  54. No disrespect... by twistedcubic · · Score: 1

    ...but there's a much better summary on Groklaw.

  55. Heads on wrong by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You guys have your heads on wrong. This case was not about SCO. This case was about a broken legal system.

  56. Re:No. No Free Passes. Bad CowboyNeal. Bad. by gtall · · Score: 1

    The Greeks and Spaniards are to a large extent the cause of Europe's woes. They overspent for years, and collectively, the people thought nothing wrong with that....until the rest of Europe decided against further funding their largess. Now they are acting like spoiled brats demanding that Europe give them more candy.

  57. SCO, Caldera and TSG by unixisc · · Score: 1

    If it is after Ransom Love that was the McBride era. On the osmosis issue I wrote an article years ago: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caldera_OpenLinux . Caldera around '95 had written an compatibility layer to allow UnixWare apps to run on their Linux. They had really believed that United Linux was the obvious migration path. The resellers didn't see it that way. Caldera was in some ways ahead of its time by a few years. If they hadn't bought SCO and used the money from the DR DOS settlement to run the business they might very well have lasted to the point when people were migrating.

    Buying SCO was not a bad idea, particularly given that Caldera was trying to woo SCO customers, for whom switching platforms and support staff was not a trivial issue. I do think a better idea would have been for the 2 companies to merge, rather than Caldera using its DR-DOS lawsuit proceeds to buy up SCO. However, the problem Caldera had once it had acquired SCO was unique in that

    • The company now had 3 products - Caldera Linux, SCO Unixware and SCO Unix (renamed SCO OSE after SCO bought Unix Systems Labs), all very different from each other
    • Caldera Linux was the most modern of these 3 Unixes, but Caldera wasn't making much money selling them. OTOH, the more antiquated of those Unixes - SCO OSE and Unixware - which Caldera wanted to replace w/ Linux, was what was raking in the cash
    • As a result, Caldera Linux threatened to cannibalize the cash cows that were the support contracts that OSE and Unixware had. However, had Caldera Linux not threatened it, others, like Red Hat or SUSE would have

    But it's tough for a company that spent a decade selling "Unixware is old school switch to us" to change over to "Unixware is great want a support contract?"

    The sensible thing for Caldera to have done would have been to develop a sensible market segmentation strategy, where support for existing business would continue, but for new business, extension of installations and so on, Caldera Linux would be what was sold. Since Caldera had ported much of the apps that mattered, wouldn't have been a bad strategy. I don't know whether the GPL was what reduced the options Caldera had in terms of licensing - whereas OSE or Unixware could be sold on a per seat basis, I'm not sure that that could be done w/ Caldera Linux. Another thing they could have done, since they now owned USL, could have been to have taken Linux, combined it w/ as much SVR4.2 or SVRV code as they liked, and sold it under the Unixware brand name, but under the GPL, thereby pretending that it wasn't Linux, and continuing the same business model as SCO. Over time, OSE and Unixware would have disappeared, but the company would still have been satisfying its customers, obviously w/ altered T&C to account for the changed landscape in terms of support contracts.

    Also, w/ this strategy, there would have been no need for them to put any efforts into Monterrey, since Linux supported Itanium pretty early (even though major distros dropped support for it later. Incidentally, in the Wiki article you linked, it was mentioned that Linux ran on x86, PowerPC and Alpha. In case of Caldera, this is incorrect - the only 2 CPU platforms that Caldera ever supported was x86 and Sparc) Caldera would then have been differentiating b/w their own Linux and other distros, but given the assets that they had, such as SCO, USL and 2 versions of Unix, that wouldn't have been much of a problem, w/ a good branding strategy combined w/ good development strategies. Over time, Caldera could have borrowed parts of various projects, such as Debian (their distro was dependent on Red Hat for rpm), KDE, and built up a good platform on which to compete w/ Red Hat (which went w/ GNOME) and others.

    I understand that they shot the product that wasn't raking in the cash, which is what any sensible business strategy dictates. How

    1. Re:SCO, Caldera and TSG by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I agree that Caldera's problem was unique but it wasn't some hidden problem. Caldera had always been a money loser but was clearly tied to the future. SCO's two products were money makers but were making money only because they had decided to stop trying to keep up. Caldera failure to decide on a business strategy was bad.

      I don't know whether the GPL was what reduced the options Caldera had in terms of licensing - whereas OSE or Unixware could be sold on a per seat basis,

      No Caldera was mostly fine. Caldera and United Linux has always managed to have effective per seat licensing by intermixing GPL and commercial code at the distribution level. For example Volution Messaging Server replaced Microsoft Exchange and that was closed source proprietary for Linux. On the other hand per seat licensing completely alienated the Linux community and Caldera (and the other United Linux partners) couldn't get support from upstream projects. If they were having problems the general attitude was often "good, I'm glad you are having problems". RedHat has been masterful in a way few others ever have in bridging the gap between the Open Source community and the business community.

      In terms of the lines about compatibility, you might be misreading it, "Caldera was built on the Linux kernel which ran on x86, PowerPC and Alpha architectures." this was back at the start of Network desktop long before there was sparc integration.

      As for the McBride strategy of suing people, I think that really happened after and in response to both sides of the business were collapsing.

    2. Re:SCO, Caldera and TSG by unixisc · · Score: 1

      In that case, Caldera might have done better by taking SVRV, putting it under a BSD license (or another license such as QPL) and continued. That way, it could have had some support at least from those projects that tended to look favorably @ the BSD model, as opposed to GPL, and made some use from upstream projects. At least that way, they could have continued to compete on features, while not putting their meals completely out to be eaten. Or the other thing they could have done - go from being an OS vendor to an applications vendor and written applications like Volution, SCO Vision, etc for all the myriad Unixes out there, and made money both porting it to all those platforms, and also selling it to the various customers of these platforms.

      Real problem was that there was a plethora of Unixes then - Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, OSE, Unixware, Dynix, Ultrix, OSF/1, et al (just like there are a gazillion Unixes today). Caldera could have turned this to their advantage by becoming an applications and support company, and selling applications and support for all these platforms, as well as Linux and BSD later.

    3. Re:SCO, Caldera and TSG by jbolden · · Score: 1

      I don't see how Caldera could be a BSD company. Their claim to fame involved things like KDE (GPL) and extensions to the Linux kernel. Without Linux they weren't anything but a SCO service company. Even when we talk about Caldera getting out of the OS business and just selling servers to all Unixes... everything they wrote was Linux specific.

      As far as the plethora of Unixes, that was a problem for the SCO half of the business as it created a competitive environment. For Linux (and Caldera in particular) all those other Unixes were a source of ideas, features and sometimes even code i.e. food for Linux's growth to a mature feature rich system. Remember 1990s Linux was about building stuff that was worse than the commercial Unixes much cheaper and undercutting them on price, disruption from below. SCO strategy was similar on the surface, using x86 hardware for servers, instead of more expensive hardware, essentially Microsoft's server strategy but they were totally vulnerable to Linux. I.E. the typical problem for Caldera that the two sides of the business had intrinsically opposite strategies.

      Honestly, United Linux was the right move if you believed in the migration strategy. Just imagine if by 2004 there had been an industry standard binary compatible Linux available in a few dozen languages with support teams on four continents backed by several major corporations pulling in applications from multiple legacy platforms. I think that's a pretty compelling product. They just lost faith in their own direction and decided to sue everyone instead of making stuff.

    4. Re:SCO, Caldera and TSG by unixisc · · Score: 1

      Wasn't KDE at the time in question under QPL, rather than GPL, just like Qt was? Yeah, they started w/ Linux, but once they got USL, they had things to offer in terms of cross-licensing agreements, that might have enabled them to trade rights w/ BSD4.3. Would it have been that huge a deal for them to port apps to all those platforms?

      I disagree that SCO's strategy to piggyback on x86 and try and steal marketshare from the likes of Sun, HP and IBM was a good one. As it is, Microsoft at that time looked like it would be spreading NT everywhere - they had started not only on all sorts of x86s including SMP boxes, but had also gone to MIPS, Alpha, and were looking @ PPC, Clipper and Sparc, while each of the RISC platforms had not only their native Unix (Solaris, HP/UX, AIX, Ultrix et al) but also Linux available for them (and not from Caldera). So Caldera/SCO's strategy there too would have failed - on x86, MS would have owned it simply b'cos NT could have run everything Windows, while on the RISCs, even if (and when) NT didn't take off, other Linuxes were multi-platform even before Caldera was, and as you pointed out, upstream support didn't like their per seat licensing. Caldera's problem was that as an OS company, they had myriad competitors out to eat their breakfasts, lunches & dinners. But as an applications or solutions company servicing either all, or at least the major Unix companies out there - Sun, HP, IBM, DEC, et al, as well as the major Linux bases i.e. Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, et al, they'd have had a rich source of opportunities - and income, since all of these guys would have been their partners. Also, given that their work would have been a part of what these platforms would have needed to be successful, they would have had an ecosystem very interested in their survival (sort of like Cygnus, which Red Hat bought)

    5. Re:SCO, Caldera and TSG by jbolden · · Score: 1

      Wasn't KDE at the time in question under QPL, rather than GPL, just like Qt was?

      No KDE was always under the GPL. QT was under the QPL and before that a non commercial license.

      . Caldera's problem was that as an OS company, they had myriad competitors out to eat their breakfasts, lunches & dinners. But as an applications or solutions company servicing either all, or at least the major Unix companies out there - Sun, HP, IBM, DEC, et al, as well as the major Linux bases i.e. Red Hat, Debian, Slackware, Gentoo, et al, they'd have had a rich source of opportunities - and income, since all of these guys would have been their partners.

      My point is their applications weren't good enough. Caldera's apps were good by Linux standards they weren't good by Solaris or AIX standards.

  58. The Winners = The Bankruptcy Industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    How about a footnote detailing the skullduggery that was Bankruptcy Court? The shady dealings of Edward Cahn and the strange decisions that allowed SCO to enter and stay in Chapter 13 when it should have been Chapter 7. Sure, in the scheme of things, the corpse was already dead, but these legal beetles scoured the body of flesh for several years before it was finally discarded into Chapter 7.

  59. Sad by jon3k · · Score: 1

    It's sad because the assholes at the top made a killing pumping and dumping the stock, no doubt.