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Green Party Releases International Joint Statement Criticizing the TPP

Dangerous_Minds writes "The New Zealand, Australian, and Canadian Green Parties have released a joint statement on the secretive Trans-Pacific Partnership agreement (TPP). Among the concerns are the secretive nature of the talks and 'could hinder access to safe, affordable medicines, weaken local content rules for media, stifle high-tech innovation, and even restrict the ability of future governments to legislate for the good of public health and the environment.' ZeroPaid also notes that the statement is starting to appear in New Zealand and Australian media."

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  1. When will this explode? by NewtonsLaw · · Score: 4, Insightful

    How long before "the great unwashed" finally wake up to the fact that their governments are selling out their rights to the big corporations of the world?

    Who keeps an eye on the post-political careers of these "negotiators" and reports on how many of them get "honorary directorships" of the companies they are selling the public's rights in favor of?

    Surely, sooner or later, even the half of the population who are below the median IQ will have to wake up to the fact that governments and corporations are working in concert to strip them of their rights and their money.

    Or have we devolved to the point where we no longer care -- so long as their is food on the table and a roof (however shabby) over our heads?

    1. Re:When will this explode? by robot5x · · Score: 5, Interesting

      not even that - so long as people have their widescreen tv and brawndo they basically don't care. the frustrating part is this perpetuates the very problem: the evil corporations lurking behind abominable acts such as the TPP are wholly vulnerable to something as simple as people not buying their products... The real modern problem is people having disposable income and choosing to spend it on shit which makes evil corporations rich and powerful and keen to strip our rights away to make more money. If people could simply refrain from not going to the cinema, not buying a dvd, not buying a new TV, not paying for a sports game - even just for a SHORT while - the balance of power will change. The power still remains with individual people, if we can just better understand the consequences of our behaviour.

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    2. Re:When will this explode? by SuricouRaven · · Score: 2

      It's an old problem. The old 'bread and circuses' term originated with some people back in the roman republic complaining that people didn't care to get involved in civics or do anything to aid their fellows so long as they had food on the table and some entertainment to watch.

  2. How about NO! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

    "The Intellectual Property Rights chapter of the TPPA was leaked in draft form in February 2011. We anticipate that unless a more moderate and balanced version is adopted, NZ, Canada and Australia's shoppers, schools and libraries would end up paying more for their books and DVD's because it would let copyright holders veto parallel importing. Small and medium-sized software and IT businesses would have their innovative visions stifled by constraining patent laws. Finally, large pharmaceutical companies could use the legislation to deny state drug-buying agencies like those in Australia and NZ access to reliable, low cost medicines."

  3. What's the big deal? by Black+Parrot · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It will help the rich get richer. Isn't that what governments are for?

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    1. Re:What's the big deal? by VortexCortex · · Score: 2

      Fuck this planet. "Mostly Harmless" my ass! Beautiful world, but too much politics for ANYONE. ::sigh:: The humans are so primitive, they're still politicking over things like freedom of speech and expression -- Duplicating ideas! Can you believe it!? Copying IS LIFE! Hahaha... Oh well. You can't really blame the stupid sods, I guess; Everyone does this: OOh! Fire! Let's burn EVERYTHING. Oooh! Tools! Let's Tool EVERYTHING! Oooh! Machines! Let's industrialise EVERYTHING! Ooooh Politics! Let's politicise EVERYTHING! Ooooh! Copyright! Let's copyright EVERYTHING! Oooh! Patents! Let's -- yeah, you get the idea.

      Like everything else they eventually tone things down to sensible levels after they over do it and return to an acceptable behaviour. That they got this far and are only now starting to tone down the industry / pollution is an oddity. Lucky bastards have a resilient environment.... They'll figure it out, or die trying. Everything in moderation -- Protip: That's the answer to the Drake Equation.

  4. Re:Honestly by LordLucless · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I had the same reaction when I read the first few lines of the headline, but no, the Trans-Pacific Partnership is a bad thing. It's the latest attempt by the US at legislative colonisation of sovereign countries' IP laws.

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  5. Re:Honestly by c0lo · · Score: 5, Informative
    info - essentially, it is only a bit worse than ACTA (including the secrecy of negotiation), with some elements of SOPA thrown in.

    Do you have the same reaction to EFF?

    Speaking for myself... if the internet freedom comes only in green colours (i.e. no other parties would support them), I'm fully green then (possibly with the black-sail of the local pirate party)

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  6. Re:Green Party to the rescue! by formfeed · · Score: 5, Insightful

    This will totally make a difference.

    Ignoring the sarcasm.. yes, it will.

    There are countries outside the US. They have more than two parties. The Green party actually makes it into parliament. These countries are called "democracies".

  7. Re:Honestly by garett_spencley · · Score: 4, Funny

    Reasons to hate the TPP:

    "latest attempt by the US at legislative colonisation of sovereign countries' IP laws."

    Reasons to love the TPP:

    Stick it to neo-religious enviro-nazi "green" hippy fanatics.

    World spinning. Can't ... decide ... where .. to ... stand... gaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

  8. Re:Green Party to the rescue! by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

    The greens currently hold the balance of power in the Australian senate and they have for a long time, politically they cannot be ignored on any issue unless it has bypartisan support from both major parties..

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  9. Re:Green Party to the rescue! by Evil+Pete · · Score: 2

    I dunno. I am so on the borderline. I am extremely disillusioned with the Australian Labor Party selling out their principles (if they can remember what those are) while the Liberal Party are almost to the point of learning the goose step. At this point the Green Party is looking pretty good. Considering all the crazy shit that the traditional parties do in spite of promising not to do during the elections only the Greens seem to have any principles or sanity left.

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  10. Re:Honestly by c0lo · · Score: 2

    Why is any of this surprising to anybody?

    Who said this one came as a surprise? I understand why it happens, I even understand why (some/many of the) politicians do very little about it. What I don't understand is the reaction of the OP AC that cheers for TPP because the only parties that oppose the process are the Greens and s/he doesn't like them.

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  11. Re:Honestly by c0lo · · Score: 5, Informative

    BTW guys, the page that I linked on the EFF site has a take action link down the page... (looks like it's a page for US citizens - asks for a simple ZIP code).

    Now, in case you don't live in US (or don't like Greens but you may like some others)...
    OpenMedia.ca and a good bunch of many others run an international site which sends the message to some of the ministers in govts of all the countries involved in the TPP negotiations (I've done it and received some auto-confirmation emails from the .gov type of domains)

    Com'on guys, doesn't ask for that much of an effort, don't wait for a "Wikipedia blackout day" to take a minimal action.

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  12. Re:Register now by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Anyone that considers a Green party "far left" has no idea what "far left" actually is.

  13. Re:Green Party to the rescue! by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Except those are the same countries that will or won't ratify the TPP.
    As far as "mattering" goes, they couldn't matter more in this case.

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  14. Re:Green Party to the rescue! by drsmithy · · Score: 2

    The greens currently hold the balance of power in the Australian senate and they have for a long time, politically they cannot be ignored on any issue unless it has bypartisan support from both major parties..

    Sadly it's pretty much guaranteed TPP will, given both major parties live by the philosophy "if it's good for America, it's good for Australia".

  15. Re:Honestly by thoughtfulbloke · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Actual-green parties (which is to say ones with a representation in parliament), rather than straw-man imagined green parties, are normally on the same side as the non-corporate libertarians when it comes to matters of government transparency.
    I think most of the hate comes from people with no actual experience of living anywhere with greens in government, so not knowing they have actually been quite effective at pushing pro-open government, anti-corporate influence issues in a direction that suits most libertarians.

  16. Re:Honestly by ByronHope · · Score: 4, Insightful

    You're being too generous. The people who bucket the Greens come in three flavours. Those who genuinely understand and know what the Greens are about and disagree, they can be identified by having reasoned arguments and use evidence to push their point, this type is rare in public discourse. The second type don't like the Greens because they are threatened by them, but can't use evidence or reasoned arguments because they know if the facts are laid bare, the public will not agree. This second type is identified by their use of emotive language, deception and fanatical hostility. Fox News (or any Murdoch run media) and large corporations are prime examples. The third and most common are identified by their emotive parroting of the position of the second type, they also lack the resources of the second type. The third type are media consumers, you can see them on this page. So even if you do have a Greens in government, there will be corporate interests gunning for them, and there will always be plenty of ignorant consumers who will parrot the corporate line.

  17. Re:Honestly by ByronHope · · Score: 2

    I should add that the second type of anti-Green includes religious organisations, religious people tend to dislike the Greens, mainly because of money, ie the Greens generally are not in favour of giving tax concessions or funds to organisations who want to use that money to promote belief in sky fairies. Religious types also resent that fact the green parties tend to be hostile to religious rules being forced on society.

  18. Re:Honestly by green1 · · Score: 2

    Now I'll admit that I'm not an expert on green party policy, but you describe the greens as some form of libertarian leaning group. In Canada that couldn't be further from the truth. Our political spectrum at the federal level has the conservative party at one end, the liberals in the middle, the NDP at the other end... and then about 1000 miles further on is the green party. They make our most liberal, most nanny-state party, look like libertarians. Their platform in the last election was extremely socialist. (and yes, they did actually put out a comprehensive platform, not just on environmental issues)

    Now don't get me wrong, I have a lot of respect for the green party, and I love the fact that our political system has allowed a new party to appear, and actually make progress toward becoming a serious national player. But you won't find me actually voting for them as their platform currently stands.

  19. Re:Honestly by green1 · · Score: 2

    Fiscally conservative???? where on earth did you get that garbage from? their platform involved higher taxes on anything that could in some way be related to the environment (any fuel, electricity, etc), higher taxes on any food deemed not to be good for you, and higher spending on every single department of the government (with the possible exception of the military). They had no provision to reduce spending on anything, no provision to reduce deficit or debt and many many many places where they wanted to spend more money.

    I don't know why you think I'm a corporate shill, I don't think corporations should have any influence in politics either. I just want to be able to run my own life instead of having the government tell me what I can and can't buy, what I can and can't eat, etc. I want the government to get completely out of the world of blocking imports to protect local industry. I want them to abolish all IP laws (far more harm than good) I'm all for protecting the environment, but give realistic solutions. don't tell us what we can't do, tell us what we CAN.

    If the green party weren't so socialist, even the NDP are significantly more conservative than the greens, I would vote for them because I like the idea of the outsider party getting support. I just can't stomach their nanny-state politics.