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Sea Chair Project Harvests Plastic From the Oceans To Create Furniture

cylonlover writes "You may have heard about the huge floating islands of garbage swirling around in the middle of the Earth's oceans. Much of that waterlogged rubbish is made up of plastic and, like Electrolux with its concept vacuum cleaners, U.K.-based Studio Swine and Kieren Jones are looking to put that waste to good use. As part of an ambitious project, they've come up with a system to collect plastic debris and convert it into furniture. Rather than collecting plastic that washes ashore or is snagged as by-catch in fishing nets, the team hopes to one day go where the trash is, collect and convert it to something useful while still at sea. Sea Chair envisions adapting fishing boats into floating chair factories that trawl for plastic and put it into production on-board."

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  1. Great idea. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    But how much will it cost to harvest the plastic from the ocean rather than creating it from scratch, whether it be from oil or other sources? (I seem to remember that PET can now be produced from corn by-products, not just oil.) I'm tipping that the balance of cost will not be in favour of this idea for a considerable time, no matter how necessary cleaning up our act may be.

    There may be a market for selling these to people who have an environmental conscience, but I would be surprised - albeit very pleased - if it were big enough to sustain a company.

    1. Re:Great idea. by quantaman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Not to mention the fuel emissions from going out and doing the collection, or even the current system of driving around and collecting by-catch, than sorting and processing the material into furniture. Unless it's a lot more feasible than I suspect I have a hunch this project will do more harm than good for the environment.

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    2. Re:Great idea. by DerekLyons · · Score: 3, Informative

      But how much will it cost to harvest the plastic from the ocean rather than creating it from scratch

      Despite all the hype - there are no 'islands' of plastic garbage, just areas of the ocean with a few extra tenths of a gram of microscopic bits of plastic per cubic meter. This suggests that it will be very expensive indeed to collect and recycle the plastic.

    3. Re:Great idea. by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why the fuck do people always link back to slashdot stories instead of the actual articles?

      Maybe, so that people get to see the comments too?

    4. Re:Great idea. by aliquis · · Score: 2, Insightful

      It would be better if the people in US learned to recycle.

      Yeah. Troll. Whatever. Over here in Sweden waaaay more gets recycled than over there.

    5. Re:Great idea. by DickBreath · · Score: 2

      Who cares how much it will cost? Steve Ballmer will be thrilled at the news of an unlimited supply of chairs, and lightweight chairs at that.

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    6. Re:Great idea. by frostfreek · · Score: 2

      Maybe they could use a great big catamaran, primarily powered by the wind!

    7. Re:Great idea. by drinkypoo · · Score: 2

      (I seem to remember that PET can now be produced from corn by-products, not just oil.)

      Virtually all corn in the USA is grown by big ag, which grows it continuously and almost exclusively GMO, meaning without crop rotation or fallow time and using metric fuckloads of chemicals bought from Monsanto which have been proven to cause a broad range of ills. There is nothing good about finding new ways to use more corn byproducts. We should be producing less of them. The same is true of milk; we produce vastly more milk than we need due to rBGH, and consequently we have become geniuses of finding new things to do with milk. Unfortunately, making it into paint isn't one of those things, in spite of the fact that milk paint is non-toxic and has excellent durability. Unfortunately, it doesn't keep, so it's hard to sell; presumably nobody has figured out powdered milk paint yet. Instead we make it into gum.

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    8. Re:Great idea. by moeinvt · · Score: 2

      "there are no 'islands' of plastic garbage"

      Not 'islands' in the sense that you could walk across them.

      There are however vast areas where you can sail and see dozens of pieces of floating garbage in whichever direction you look.

  2. Next environmental issue: plastics fishing bycatch by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 5, Funny

    In 20 years, we'll be looking for dolphin-safe plastic items, and lamenting the number of seabirds that're killed as by-catch from the oceanic plastics harvesting industry. Concern will be raised about the waste disposal practices of on-board plastics recycling, but nobody will do anything about it because it happens in international waters.

    Sometimes you just can't win.

  3. I see a problem... by madmarcel · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There is an online documentary on the 'floating garbage islands' somewhere. Not really islands. Just lots of little itty bits of plastic spread over a huuuuge area.

    Since the plastic debris is spread thinly over a large large area, you'd need to blow through a fair bit of fuel to collect sufficient amounts of plastic to make a chair.

    Doable? yes.
    Economical? No.

    Unless you could do this with a sailing boat, or a solar powered boat...and from the article...that boat doesn't look like either.

    1. Re:I see a problem... by dcrisp · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In fact the little pieces of plastic are apparently microscopic pieces of plastic suspended in the entire water column over a vast area of ocean.
      The author, from the documentary above, mentioned that he (she?) travelled to the alleged area to see the plastic and then learnt about the lack of visible suspended solids AND the problem with the local sea life drinking the water and filtering the plastic particles into their own systems.

    2. Re:I see a problem... by leftover · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Even worse, as I have read, the plastic bits are dispersed in a huge volume. Roughly one bit per cubic meter to depths in tens of meters.

      Also, the amounts of plastic debris are not increasing because tiny crustaceans are drilling tunnels into the plastic and feasting on the rich carbs, safe inside their tough little homes.

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    3. Re:I see a problem... by madmarcel · · Score: 2

      No.

      Some of the asteroids are valued at several billions of dollars each. They contain resources that our industries need. The trick is; how can I economically reach that concentrated valuable stuff floating in space AND get it back to earth? (The answer involves robots...)

      Contrast with itty bitty teensie weensie little bits of worthless plastic floating in non-concentrated form in big big ocean...which you want to use to make rather ugly plastic chairs...

    4. Re:I see a problem... by Grayhand · · Score: 4, Insightful

      It depends on the density. I saw samples being taken that had a shocking amount of plastic not counting larger items. A fairly small small net pulled in what looked like a soup of plastic so I can see this as being practical especially if you can get some of the larger polluting nations to contribute to the clean up. The chairs will sell as a premium green item and you're forgetting the cost of plastic stock which takes a huge amount of oil to produce. FYI the ship could be fueled by the plastic. These machines could produce all the diesel they need from the plastic so the cost is mostly in the initial set up. http://www.blest.co.jp/seihin-english.html Something needs to be done because it's seriously affecting sea life. If all you care about is sushi then it would be worth some investment by the affected countries. A dozen ships could make a real dent in the waste. We created the problem and it's time we took some responsibility for the mess.

    5. Re:I see a problem... by aliquis · · Score: 2

      Solution: Don't let plastic enter the sea (and preferably anything.)

  4. Re:Wasted Fuel by multiben · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Or maybe you could consider the benefit of removing shitloads of crap from the ocean.

  5. Land Lubbers by Penurious+Penguin · · Score: 2

    Land lubbers needed too: Kamilo Beach?
    It does seem like a fantastic, if not long overdue idea. Count me in if volunteers are needed.

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  6. Why dont they just make the plastic out of... by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    The same crap that cheap lawn chairs of made of, 1 year exposed to the elements and it crumbles into powder ... why do we need million year plastics to hold beer cans?

    1. Re:Why dont they just make the plastic out of... by TubeSteak · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The same crap that cheap lawn chairs of made of, 1 year exposed to the elements and it crumbles into powder ... why do we need million year plastics to hold beer cans?

      Plastics are a cocktail of chemicals.
      One of the most important ingredients are UV stabilizers.
      This single ingredient more or less dictates the functional lifespan of any plastic that is exposed to sunlight.
      Once that UV stabilizer is consumed, UV will break down the plastic until its structural integrity fails.

      The industry is working on "biodegradable" plastic, but the term comes with so many asterisks that it's almost meaningless.
      In the short term, petroleum based plastics do not biodegrade, they degrade.
      "Biodegradable" petroleum plastics just degrade faster.

      After that, it's up to the micro-organisms in the environment to break the plastic down.
      And if the plastic is in a non-ideal environment, it'll hang around longer.
      Land fills are especially bad environments for plastics to degrade in.

      /Bioplastics are a while nother story and, while better for the environment, are not a mature technology yet

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    2. Re:Why dont they just make the plastic out of... by digitalaudiorock · · Score: 2

      ...and why do cheap plastics have to be used in things that are supposed to last? Hell...I have a couple of cheap plastic garbage cans that were given to us...they were purchased at Walmart...which have all but totally disintegrated in a matter of years. They're not recyclable either. I also have an old Rubbermaid plastic garbage can that's been in the same condition for decades. Given that Rubbermaid was put out of business by Walmart's refusal to agree to a necessary price hike, I've always seen those garbage cans as a good microcosm of everything that's wrong these days...

  7. Can they come to Hong Kong? by jsse · · Score: 3, Informative

    After a cargo accident, millions of tiny white plastic pellets have been washing up on the Hong Kong's shores. No authority, no government cares. Civilians voluntarily organize cleaning up activities every weekend and the situation is still catastrophic. Uncountable fishes have their stomachs stuffed with plastic pellets, but Hong Kong Government still insists that those fishes are harmless and safe to eat. Those fishes are dying of staving because they couldn't take any more real food, and the Government only cares about whether it is safe to eat them.

    Sadly, environmental disasters effect everyone in the same planet but they would hardly raise mass concern.

    1. Re:Can they come to Hong Kong? by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 3, Informative

      You say:

      No authority, no government cares.

      But your linked article says:

      By Sunday night, the government said that it has already collected half of the plastic pellets that had been spilled, including 50 tons of pellets in sacks that were scooped up from the water. The government said the clean-up effort is still continuing.

      “This is an ongoing process,” secretary for the environment Wong Kam-sing told reporters on Sunday, pledging to stay attentive as the situation continues to develop.

      In the meantime, environmental groups praised the government for its swift response to the spill,

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    2. Re:Can they come to Hong Kong? by ArsenneLupin · · Score: 2

      I just had to look it up, and amazingly, it's not a spelling mistake as long as they are different species. Probably not intended by the author, but enough to protect him from grand ma's brownshirts.

  8. Re:What about finding it? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

    The current plan is to track the discarded floatilla of Windows phones along their migratory path toward plastic island

  9. I've hoped for this idea... by joocemann · · Score: 2

    ...for a couple years.

    The Chinese are very efficient and productive people/nation. I wouldn't be surprised if they are already ahead of the game for this 'free' resource. I will be surprised if the Brits are the first to tap it.

  10. The problem is the lawn chairs by Craig+Ringer · · Score: 2

    Sadly, much of the problem is the plastic granules, powder and fragments that UV-degraded plastics (like those lawn chairs) break down into.

    Big chunks are a problem, but a huge part of the issue in the great pacific midden is tiny particles and fragments that've been eroded by agitation and broken down by UV until - for many animals - they're indistinguishable from food. They get into little filter feeding critters, they collect in the guts of larger creatures, and they just don't go away.

    Becoming too small for us to see and deal with doesn't make that waste go away, it just makes it even harder to deal with.

    1. Re:The problem is the lawn chairs by cffrost · · Score: 2

      Sadly, much of the problem is the plastic granules, powder and fragments that UV-degraded plastics (like those lawn chairs) break down into.

      Big chunks are a problem, but a huge part of the issue in the great pacific midden is tiny particles and fragments that've been eroded by agitation and broken down by UV until - for many animals - they're indistinguishable from food. They get into little filter feeding critters, they collect in the guts of larger creatures, and they just don't go away.

      Becoming too small for us to see and deal with doesn't make that waste go away, it just makes it even harder to deal with.

      In addition to the ongoing ecological damage, there's a possibility that we may come to rely on that plastic, as the value of both it and petroleum increase. The recovery of plastic in the form of microscopic particulates is likely going to be expensive and environmentally disruptive, akin to mining other (not-necessarily-rare) rare-earth materials.

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  11. Yay! by brillow · · Score: 2

    Please post more stories about fanciful ideas artists "hope" to do one day.

    Also, post more links to people blogging about the dream they had last night.

    Or something maybe someone thought of when they were stoned.

  12. More exposure for stuff like this by trickstyhobbit · · Score: 2

    So much time is spent arguing about global warming that we seem to have totally abandoned the non-global-warming-causing pollution issue. Global warming is certainly disastrous, but turning all the water on earth to a poisonous garbage dumb seems more imminently dangerous.

    1. Re:More exposure for stuff like this by narcc · · Score: 2

      That problem demands real solutions from which tangible results can be seen in a reasonable time-frame. Global warming, well, it's way harder to see if we're making any progress. That makes it much easier to turn a profit feeding in to the hysteria as you don't need to do any actual work.

      Just kidding, of course. Want to buy some carbon offsets? They're totally legit.

  13. How about inflatables? by evilviper · · Score: 2

    This may be slightly off-topic, but hey, this is idle so I'm probably improving the quality of discussion, anyhow...

    Why aren't inflatables more popular? A traditional queen size mattress costs at least $200, meanwhile a queen sized air mattress costs $20, or an order of magnitude less expensive. Inflatables aren't perfect, but these days they're quite stable and nearly as comfortable as a regular mattress. What's more, they don't have springs or padding to wear out quickly, as cheaper regular mattresses do.

    I've even seen a little $50 love-seat that was inflatable. Considering being able to eliminate the steel frames, springs, cross-beam supports, and all that polyurethane, it should be easy to make them cheaper, and again be at least an order of magnitude cheaper than conventional sofa, chairs, etc.

      The benefits of super lightweight, incredibly compact when packed away, and incredibly portable, plus cheap and very little material used, seems like a slam-dunk.
    So why don't we see more of this? Whether with recycled sea-plastic, or not. People like to say how incredibly cheap consumers are, yet this seems like an obvious, huge expense saver, that it seems almost nobody takes advantage of. Why not? When did we become furniture snobs?

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