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Radio Royalty Legislation Described As 'RIAA Bailout'

An anonymous reader tips an article at TechDirt about draft legislation from Representative Jerry Nadler (D-NY) that would dramatically increase the music royalty fees for cable and satellite radio to put them at the same level as internet radio streaming. TechDirt calls this the 'RIAA Bailout Act of 2012' and says the RIAA has been pursuing similar legislation to increase royalty rates for terrestrial radio as well. "As it stands now, the rates are so damaging that Pandora — the top player in the space — has made it clear it may never be profitable. Yes, never. Nadler's bill would effectively make sure that no one else in that market would be profitable either. The end result? Many of these services don't exist or never get started. That would actually mean fewer services, fewer listeners and lower royalties. It's almost as if he has no concept of price elasticity. Lower prices can create higher total income. Also, the idea that any particular Congressional Rep. should be (effectively) determining what the "fair" price is for anything is, well, horrifying. "

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  1. Don't Understand by rwise2112 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seems they (the RIAA) would rather take nothing, and blame it on piracy, than take something!

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    1. Re:Don't Understand by Samalie · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, I'd say it is closer to...the RIAA would rather destroy the entire recording industry than modify their business model from that which made them all filthy rich until the last decade or so.

      They've fucking lost it. They have absolutly no comprehension or understanding that they don't mean shit anymore. Nobody NEEDS the RIAA or the major labels anymore. Anyone with a few thousand can create a damned good recording studio, cut an album, release it online independently (and to streaming sites), thereby cutting the RIAA entirely out of the equation.

      But at the heart, you are correct...the RIAA says a song has a value of x. The world says the same song has a value of x/50. THe RIAA has decided that if they can't get x, they don't want anything.

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    2. Re:Don't Understand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Exactly. There's a lot of companies like that. The RIAA, MPAA, Harmony Gold, etc don't like customers, they just want to sue people. It helps that they plan on making laws to force you to pay anyway, regardless of whether or not you listen to music

    3. Re:Don't Understand by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you look at history, it seems that big industries that are dying out all fit into a similar pattern.

      As usual, we look like the Gilded age years when the fatcats always got exactly everything they wanted from congress. The Gilded age, of course, led straight to the great depression.

    4. Re:Don't Understand by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Insightful

      FTA: Rep. Jerrold Nadler (D-N.Y.) released a discussion draft of a bill Monday that would increase compensation for recording artists^W^W record company executives.

      FTFT.

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    5. Re:Don't Understand by mellon · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Personally, I hope they get what they are asking for. The sooner they drive themselves out of business, the sooner we can actually fix the music industry.

  2. On Priorities and Strategy by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Nadler's bill would effectively make sure that no one else in that market would be profitable either. The end result? Many of these services don't exist or never get started.

    I think that's quite the desired effect by the RIAA, to repress technologies and services. This is a deep rooted mentality that has been "proven" in their eyes by cassette tapes (remember when people were duping records and recording radio plays and that was destroying everything?) and Napster and Bittorrent -- all new technologies that they attribute with the decline of their iron grip on their "consumers." Internet radio is just the latest demon and, of course, if their profits slide it will be the new scapegoat. The article notices this as well:

    “Congressman Nadler’s discussion draft would only perpetuate this hypocrisy and worsen an already flawed legislative mistake that is discriminating against new technology and hampering innovation,"

    I do slightly object to this statement:

    t's almost as if he has no concept of price elasticity. Lower prices can create higher total income.

    No, I disagree with you there. I think services like Amazon and iTunes have shown them this and they reject that concept anyway. They built up their empires by reducing the diversity of music and creating a single song that everyone had to have. Radio jockeys play it 24/7, the Billboard Top 100 tells you what it is and it's basically slammed down your throat everywhere. This strategy payed off very well for them for quite some time. They wanted to reduce the amount of music you wanted or desired and price it out at $18 for the album. Everybody had to buy it and that's why you can pick up New Kids on the Block or Brittany Spears albums at your local thrift store for pennies now. And that's the best way the RIAA could have it since everyone got sick of that music, burned out on it and had to have the next $18 album that they were told to buy. Since everyone had to buy it that was $18 * tons of money.

    Now new technology comes along and offers a more diverse music repertoire and the possibility of buying that single song and *GASP* radio jockeys that aren't yoked into playing the same goddamn song over and over again. And this frightens the music executives. They know about price elasticity, they just don't want the profits they should be making and instead wish to return to a simpler time when they told you what to pay and everyone paid that because there was no other option and society was shoving it down their throats. Lower prices CAN create higher profits but the way the RIAA has been running the show means it probably will not.

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  3. Re:and your point is? by dnahelicase · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the government we currently have wants to control everything. 'spread the wealth around' i think is the catch-phrase

    This would be the opposite. This is "concentrate the wealth and make sure it doesn't get into any new hands"

  4. Never is a long time by Maximum+Prophet · · Score: 4, Interesting

    This isn't about the money, it's about control. If they can get a law that makes default royalities so high no-one can enter the business, they'd be overjoyed. Then, when everyone else is locked out of the business, they can buy up the failed businesses, and run their own monopoly services. They might not be extracting every last cent out of the music, but they, and only they would control it. (Artists and Listeners can take a hike)

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  5. Clearance; promotion by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Anyone with a few thousand can create a damned good recording studio, cut an album

    How should someone who writes and records an album verify that the songs he wrote don't accidentally infringe a third party's copyright?

    release it online independently (and to streaming sites)

    How should they promote it to listeners who aren't already streaming music in their vehicles? These listeners use FM radio because they don't already have a sufficiently expensive data plan or they aren't aware of the streaming sites.

    1. Re:Clearance; promotion by Joce640k · · Score: 4, Funny

      How should someone who writes and records an album verify that the songs he wrote don't accidentally infringe a third party's copyright?

      This word "write". I don't think it means what you think it means...

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    2. Re:Clearance; promotion by MightyYar · · Score: 5, Insightful

      And it's so common that the example that immediately popped into your brain happened 40 years ago.

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  6. Why is Congress involved? by characterZer0 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can somebody explain why the government is involved in this at all? Why are royalty fees simply negotiated between the licensor and licensee?

    This is not like utilities, food, or health care where we need to prevent an oligarchy from profiteering by withholding necessities. If you do not agree to the fees, do not license the content.

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  7. Lower prices lead ot lower income by alexander_686 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Lower prices can create higher total income.

    This is true when the lower price generates more sales. This is not happening in the music world.

    People are buying single tracks or tuning into Pandora instead of building up a collection of CDs. This benefits the consumer because it is much more efficient to listen to music this way.

    i.e. the new cost structure of the internet means that the consumer reap most of the rewards of improved efficiency. I am not a friend of the RIAA but I do recognize that they have left the land of honey and milk for a barren desert.

  8. Experiment by carrier+lost · · Score: 5, Interesting

    It would be fascinating if someone were to start an IndieGoGo fundraiser to "Buy a Senator"

    Buy a senator and have him introduce a bill - something good, like forcing the cablecos to share their lines with competitors at cost, or legalizing marijuana for adults.

    How much money would it take? $5 million? $10M, $20M before a senator publicly announces, "Okay, I'll do it. What law do you want introduced and give the cash to my campaign manager so he can get to work on spinning this"

  9. The entitlement mentality by JWW · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The entitlement mentality of the RIAA is astounding.

    Radio has for decades played their songs as advertising. In the past record companies have gotten in trouble for paying radio stations to play certain music.

    Now they want to have their cake and eat it too.

    There is NO DIFFERENCE between the radio playing the song and a streaming service playing the song. It is still advertising for the record company. I have bought many songs after hearing them on a streaming service. I also already own many songs that play on streaming services I listen to. The record company being paid per play by streaming services is obnoxious crap.

    I always smile when I think of how badly Apple and Amazon screwed over the record companies in providing access to digital versions of their music. They had the ability to build their own stores and they were idiotic enough to fail and it the process hand over billions to companies that laid the digital groundwork for them. True, record companies make money from Amazon and Apple, but Amazon and Apple make money off the record companies too _and_ they completely control the ecosystem.

    I'm anxiously waiting for Apple, Amazon, and Google to start getting into the business of distributing artists songs just like they do for app developers. They could also use their promotional capabilities to drive sales for these artists. Sales where they make more money than selling what the record companies give them. When this happens the writing will be on the wall and the record companies will finally die the death they so deserve.

  10. The article does not understand how things work by Agent0013 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Nadler's bill would effectively make sure that no one else in that market would be profitable either. The end result? Many of these services don't exist or never get started. That would actually mean fewer services, fewer listeners and lower royalties. It's almost as if he has no concept of price elasticity. Lower prices can create higher total income.

    This is too simplistic of a view. By limiting the number of stations that can play music you licence, you will make less money on the licencing, sure. But you also will have more control over what plays on the airwaves (or satallite waves, etc). By playing king-maker for what's hot and what's not you end up making far more money in the long run. The music industry has to compete with it's back catalog, all the way back to when music was first recorded. They need some way to get people to buy current music over the greatest of the past. They do this by controlling what becomes popular.

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  11. purpose? by amoeba1911 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I'm still not sure, what is RIAA's purpose? The artists compose and perform the music, the distributors (radio stations, iTunes, Google Play, Pandora and P2P etc) distribute that music to the masses. What is RIAA's role in this ecosystem? Where does RIAA fit?

  12. Accidental infringement by tepples · · Score: 4, Informative

    Is it possible to set up an alternative RIAA?

    Not as long as the music publishers affiliated with the major record labels threaten to sue people who write their own songs for copyright infringement on the grounds that too much of a melody was accidentally copied. See, for example, Bright Tunes Music v. Harrisongs Music and Three Boys Music v. Michael Bolton.

    1. Re:Accidental infringement by Hatta · · Score: 3, Funny

      To be honest, anyone who sues Michael Bolton is OK with me.

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  13. Great news for indie music! by mike449 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When RIAA music becomes prohibitively expensive for radio stations, non-RIAA music will get more airplay and exposure.

  14. Re:Awesome by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In every dying industry that made loads of money in its heyday, they're whining to Congress.

    The correct action is to let them die out.

    However, the most steady trait of corporate fat cats is they are all for the free market in public but are the first the whine about it when the market turns against them.

  15. Promotion by tepples · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The artists compose and perform the music, the distributors (radio stations, iTunes, Google Play, Pandora and P2P etc) distribute that music to the masses. What is RIAA's role in this ecosystem?

    Originally, the RIAA was formed to establish the "New Orthophonic" emphasis curve for vinyl records. Now, it boils down to promoting the music.

  16. The Best Alternative Is No Massive Powerful Group by eldavojohn · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Is it possible to set up an alternative RIAA? Trade group monopoly must be broken.

    Well, I'm not in the business but used to gig. After seeing people that should have some minor record deal being signed to littler labels like Afternoon Records or Asthmatic Kitty, it's my opinion that the best replacement for the RIAA is no replacement at all. The RIAA is restricting their member labels and being destructive "in the interests of their members" ... sometimes this is helpful but in the instance of online radio, it's quite the opposite. Meanwhile a lot of the smaller labels affiliated with the RIAA suffer while the top executives make millions. The way I see it, by setting up an alternative RIAA, you'll inevitably fall prey to that sort of bullshit. Like the best capitalistic systems, the music industry would be healthier if the labels competed with each other and actually desired exposure (which they do) like online radio and no single entity was acting as a self-appointed policeman to how that system worked. Then and only then would you see.

    Here's an example, I just purchased Headlight's latest album on vinyl and minutes later I had downloaded the MP3s. I can list tons of non-RIAA labels that do this and you can go on Bandcamp and see a third party system doing this for labels and selfpublished artists (for example, here's the album I just bought). Now, from the RIAA point of view this is super bad. I just got TWO copies of an album for one price and on top of that you can stream that album right there for free, possibly forever. Oh my god, copyright violations! Now, if you were the RIAA or a replacement for the RIAA you would find yourself in the position of making a decision about this sort of sales tactic. And that's bad whether you weigh in one way or another. Fine, let Metallica or whoever else I don't care about put up a picture of their album and ask for $20 from their fans for it before even hearing it. They can do what they want. But you'll find that if you throw your lot in with RIAA, you won't be able to upload live videos of your own concerts to YouTube, you might have ads on your music videos and you'll be restricted by this umbrella. Furthermore, no matter how forgiving you are of your fan's misdeeds, the RIAA is not. And I think a replacement is a bad thing.

    Frankly put the advent of the internet and digital distribution means that artists shouldn't have to depend on the RIAA or an RIAA replacement. They should exist in hundreds of different labels acting, innovating and competing on their own terms (diversity is a good thing).

    Right now it feels like an exacerbated Pareto Law inside the music industry and it doesn't have to be that way. Your attention, your ears, your money and your support should be spread around and free of restricted influence by some massive entity.

    Right now, there's music out there that you like that somebody somewhere is making. But if they're not on a label that's part of the RIAA, you're most likely never going to hear it. That's why internet radio stations are so important to upending the RIAA, self-published groups from Portland can be heard by Brooklynites and vice versa. That's why I think the RIAA is trying to impose arcane radio royalty fees.

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  17. commercial radio should die by FudRucker · · Score: 3, Interesting

    viva pirate radio! make little 1 watt transmitters that runs on 12 volt DC to turn any mp3 player in a car in to a tiny pirate radio capable of covering several city blocks, and just as easily be run from an AC outlet with a wallwart transformer, murder the RIAA with millions of tiny cuts

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  18. Re:Please be more specific by metallurge · · Score: 3, Insightful

    There is no way to make sure you don't get sued. Wrong goal.

  19. Re:Please be more specific by Samalie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Realistically....you can't do fuck all.

    In reality, if someone wants to try to sue the pants off you, they will. Hell, you could get sued by some asshole that hasn't even released a song yet but can (try to) show that he wrote similar music or lyrics before you did.

    There's nothing you can do to protect yourself. NOTHING.

    Of course....what the industry doesn't tell you...they can't protect you either against some lunatic asshole that thinks (correct or not) that you ripped off his creation.

    So realistically....you're fucked whether you release RIAA or indie. So just don't be that asshole that releases with the RIAA.

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  20. This is why... by decoy256 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You do all realize that this is precisely the argument used to lower taxes in general, right? And specifically, to lower taxes on businesses. If we replace "royalty" with "tax" and "Pandora" with "every small business in America", then you have the exact argument that Republicans use to support tax breaks.

    Just thought I'd point that out. So, in order to be intellectually consistent, should we also support Republicans on the tax breaks? Should we slash taxes to encourage economic growth?