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Why Professors Love (and Loathe) Technology

dougled writes "A survey of 4,500 college professors (and campus technology administrators) reveals what faculty members think of digital publishing (they like it, but don't do it very much), how much they use their campus learning management systems (not nearly as much as their bosses think), and how digital communication has changed their work lives (they're more productive, but far more stressed)."

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  1. working with them.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I can tell you, working with some very smart profs, that they fall into the exact same classes that you find anywhere else.

    You have people that are unreasonable (wanting things to be perfect in an imperfect world), you have people that can't apply basic common sense to using their computer (someone today, for instance, that they can have unlimited disk space and has magical thinking about the situation), people with poor problem solving skills, oldsters whom the world changed around and can't deal with it, people that can't use google, etc. etc...

    So I guess what I am saying is that sometimes I wonder if singling them out as a class has any use at all. They're simply people.

    1. Re:working with them.... by cpu6502 · · Score: 2

      People that don't live in the real world. I have a physics prof that I visited one day, and after we caught up, he asked for some computer help. He didn't even understand the concept of gigabytes or megahertz. He is so buried in the world of the very small (superstrings) that he doesn't understand the basics of computer science. And he's not that old either; he used computers in college but it's as if his knowledge stopped in 1985.

      I never understand why people cite professors as if they are the end-all answer. If they have data to backup their claims, good, but many are just offering an opinion. Very few have ever left the campus & don't know how things actually work in industry, or day-to-day choices (Do I spend $100 on cable or cellphone instead?).

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    2. Re:working with them.... by UnknownSoldier · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Interestingly enough Max Planck said the same thing back in 1948 about the dogma and institution of Science:
          "A new scientific truth does not triumph by convincing its opponents and making them see the light, but rather because its opponents eventually die, and a new generation grows up that is familiar with it."

      Or para-phrased:
          "Science advanced one funeral at a time"

      The old want things to remain the way they always have been.
      The youth want things that will be.
      Society is a balance of these two diametrically opposed ideologies.

      Reference:
      http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Max_Planck

    3. Re:working with them.... by cpu6502 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      The administrators appear to be out touch too (see below). Frankly I don't understand the obsession with posting video lectures. I've found copied handouts of the prof's notes (and also homework solutions) much more useful than a meandering talk. I can scan the notes far, far faster than I can scan a 50 minute video.

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      Administrators believed that 73 percent of the professors at their institutions used data logged by the LMS either âoeregularlyâ or âoeoccasionallyâ to identify students who need extra help..... In fact, only 51 percent of faculty reported doing so. About half of the administrators estimated that professors regularly or occasionally posted video-recorded lectures into the LMS, but just 25 percent of the faculty respondents actually do. Nearly 80 percent of administrators said their faculty members regularly or occasionally used the LMS to track student attendance; the professors clocked in at 44 percent."

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    4. Re:working with them.... by rk · · Score: 2

      It's not true, but I can tell you from firsthand experience that learning new things requires a little more effort when you get older. The unfortunate result of that is because people are lazy (myself included), they tend to not put in the effort. I still learn new things pretty quickly, but it's not the effortless sponge that it was as a kid and in my 20s and 30s. I'm a little more choosy now about the things I spend that effort on; it's usually reserved for work things (My job is to support scientists by writing code, so I'm fortunate that there's always something around to learn) or things that are personally important to me.

    5. Re:working with them.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ...to that I'll add that things shouldn't always change. For every new correct idea there are 100 new incorrect ones that sound reasonable, and among the ones that people think are correct, half are wrong.

      Actually, all of them are wrong. Some are just less wrong than others.

  2. Flipping the classroom..? by cayenne8 · · Score: 3, Interesting
    I'd never heard of this..from the article:

    As for âoeflipping the classroomâ -- that is, banishing the lecture and focusing precious class time on group projects and other forms of active learning

    Man..glad they didn't have this crap when I was in school....I just wanted to get in there, listen, take notes....and GTFO. I just need enough interaction to take the test and make the grade and get out to get a job.

    Strange tho...I'm actually quite a sociable person...outside of the class and work, I have lots of friends and go out, have fun, I have no problem talking to strangers and making new friends.

    But at school, and usually at worksites...I'm there to go in, get a job done...and get out. I'm not there to make friends. I don't hardly ever socialize with co-workers. I didn't ever want to really socialize with anyone in my classes, hell, I never really knew anyone's name in the classes (unless it was a good looking girl I'd like to meet and bang)....

    I dunno....i guess to me, work is work...get in, get it done, get out...and then go into "real life" mode..where I have my friends and my fun.

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    1. Re:Flipping the classroom..? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Man..glad they didn't have this crap when I was in school....I just wanted to get in there, listen, take notes....and GTFO. I just need enough interaction to take the test and make the grade and get out to get a job.

      To put it bluntly, professors don't care about students with this attitude. Nor should they. If the student has no interest in learning (but just wants to do the minimal amount of work to get a grade and pass the test), a professor isn't going to put any kind of effort into teaching them. Why should they? College isn't elementary school where it is the teacher's job to force kids to learn.

      Newer ideas like "flipping the classroom" are for students who actually want to learn about the subject. Studies show that techniques like this are much more effective in getting interested students to learn. Yeah, it actually does annoy the hell out of students who want to sit there, put in a minimal amount of thought, and move on. But as I said, nobody cares about such students.

    2. Re:Flipping the classroom..? by Urza9814 · · Score: 2

      At Penn State (graduated last year) we had some GREAT introductory science profs. I'll never forget my introductory physics prof -- every other lecture he'd have some big demo of the concept he was trying to teach. From "killing" Kenny from South Park (I think he hung him to demo something about pendulums) to shooting himself into the next room on a swivel chair with a fire extinguisher (newton's laws)...great class. And during lectures he'd usually wander through the lecture hall (we're talking two hundred kids or so) to get answers to questions.

      Hell, I found it was the more advanced classes where the profs didn't give a damn. I mean, some were great, others couldn't care less if you learned anything. But I can't remember a single intro class where I felt like the prof didn't care -- except Calc II, if you count that as intro. LOTS of 300 and 400 levels where you'd come in (to any section, same shit; nobody cared), sit through it, and get a multiple choice (frequently online) test. And I think my massive intro freshman courses were the only time I ever had a full handwritten essay exam...which the TAs and prof spent days or weeks carefully reading and grading.

  3. Hmmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 4, Funny

    Any word on what percentage of them shudder and/or spew corrosive bile if you sneak up behind them and whisper "Blackboard!"?

    1. Re:Hmmm... by Lemmy+Caution · · Score: 2

      God, I hate Blackboard. I mean, really really hate it.

      If GOPHER and Usenet were good enough for me, they're good enough for my students.

    2. Re:Hmmm... by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 2
      me too. Blackboard sucks hairy alpaca balls. For all the reasons mentioned here, but here's one that is SO obvious, it hurts:

      You can't upload a folder of documents directly. You have to MAKE a "Folder" and then upload each file individually. A complete time wasting pain in the ass. Fucking retarded. Drag and drop has been around HOW freakin long? This isn't rocket science - it's just Blackboard being retarded.

      RS

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    3. Re:Hmmm... by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 2

      Perhaps more importantly, GOPHER and Usenet suck less than Blackboard...

    4. Re:Hmmm... by slimjim8094 · · Score: 2

      I used to feel like you, until I TA'd a class. Oh my god. It's so staggeringly awful to input grades in anything conceivably approaching an efficient manner that most people download the grades as an Excel file, edit that, and re-upload it. It worked alright, as long as you didn't fiddle with the structure. Half of my CS classes have grading scripts that read files and batch email grades to everybody because it's less painful.

      Basically, Blackboard makes some things easy for the student... and some things easy for the teacher. It'd be fine if they were the same things. A concrete example is doing comments on a grade - generally good, and they show up right next to the grade in the student's gradebook. Except you can't do it by clicking on a submission - you have to go to a subpage from there if you don't want it to lose formatting. You can do it from the first page, but it loses all linebreaks. And you can't navigate to different students from the second page, and it's not obvious to get to.

      We did a homework assignment online that was auto-graded (multiple choice, or specific fill-in-the-blank type stuff - what's this number in binary, pad to 8 bits). Worked fine, except there was a typo. Oops. You'd think you could fix the typo in the answer and it'd automatically regrade the tests and correct any it had previously marked wrong. Nope. You'd think there'd be a button, or at least a way to trick it into re-running the grading algorithm it had already run - nope. I had to manually fix all 140 tests... and this has been a problem for YEARS.

      Really, staggeringly, shockingly, horrendously miserable. It's so bad that a few people from my school went off and founded a company to replace it, but the thing they're missing is that nobody uses Bb because it's good - they use it because it's so integrated into the systems. When you register online for a class, it automatically adds you to the Blackboard class. When I swipe my ID card to get into my dorm room, or a chem major swipes into the chem lab, it authenticates against Blackboard. Same as if I try to print, or go into a dining hall, or buy food on the meal plan. The President of the University authenticates against Blackboard to get into her house. And they have for 15 years.

      That's the thing about Blackboard - course management is almost a nifty side feature to all the administrative stuff. Trying to kill Blackboard by doing better course-management won't get you anywhere.

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  4. Re:Just Wait by Sparticus789 · · Score: 2

    When you are a computer science student and you get your grade by manipulating the computer system the school uses (whether it is remote access to laptop or anything else), you should automatically pass. Isn't that the point of computer science, to understand how they work better to make them do what you want?

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  5. There is a huge range... by trickstyhobbit · · Score: 2

    of use and understanding of classroom technologies among my professors. Some are very skeptical and perhaps a little afraid of using the management software (we use CTools which is open source and pretty awesome). The biggest difference in adoption that I notice is between colleges. The professors in the school of education use way more technology and with much more confidence than my liberal arts professors.

  6. Students by dtmos · · Score: 4, Interesting

    The professors I know say that "technology" has had a bigger effect on their students than it has on themselves -- specifically, their lack of concern with plagiarism. Having grown up with Google and the Internet, when asked to write a paper discussing, say, the contributions to Twentieth-Century culture of recently-deceased Lithuanian tennis champions, the students' normal way of research is to Google the topic, find a relevant web site, copy the material, and present it.

    They're often shocked when the plagiarism is noted and the fail the assignment because, after all, the paper is on-topic and factually true (let's suppose); what's the issue? The concept that one needs to come up with his own ideas and opinions is often a foreign one to someone who has grown up using the web as an immediate source of all the world's knowledge. I suspect, but of course cannot prove, that developing one's own opinions was an easier and more natural thing when one had to search multiple libraries for bits and pieces of the subject matter here and there; often your opinion developed over time, based on the facts you were able to find, and the order in which you found them.

    Students (and professors) have been plagiarizing since the second piece of paper was made, of course; the new issue is that many students today do not see a problem with it. Because of this, the highest level of technology some professors use is their plagiarism-detect software.

  7. Increases Revenue by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Buying books for class? You'd better buy the new book, with the online access code. That way you can access your online assignments and do your homework. God forbid you buy the used book and fail the class.

    The book racket has reached a new level of thievery. How much for the access code you ask. That depends. It could be as little as $75, but is could be a real value at $150.

  8. Re:Just Wait by Sparticus789 · · Score: 2

    You must be a application developer.

    Just the other day, I was asked by a post-grad researcher to help them get SSH working on their server. They were unable to remote login to their server. So they come into my office, I open a command line, and have them type in the credentials to get into this server. I log in just fine, no problems. Then this person, with a Master's degree in computer science, tells me they are using OpenVPN to log in to their gateway server, so they can SSH into the rest of their servers. So I ask, "Why do you need to VPN into one and SSH into the others? Both are encrypted." The researcher did not know that SSH was encrypted and is generally approved for remote connections to servers.

    The moral of the story is, that writing mass amounts of code is only one aspect of COMPUTER science. You can be a coding genius, but if you fail to understand the difference between SSH and VPN, you should have a computer programming degree, as you obviously do not understand enough about the SCIENCE behind computers.

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  9. Policies, not Technology by paleo2002 · · Score: 4, Informative

    I'm an adjunct professor at three local colleges, so I get to experience a variety of educational technologies and IT departments. My frustrations don't come from the technology itself, but from the policies administrators and the IT staff implement. All three schools have a campus email system for students, faculty, and staff. But two of them are web-based systems that do not allow auto-forwarding. I have to manually log in to the clunky web-based system and sift through a mountain of intra-spam. The feature exists on these platforms, according to my research, its just been disabled. I guess they want to make sure we're all using the outsourced webmail system they spent millions of dollars importing from the late 90's.

    When it comes time to submit my grades, one school's system flips a coin each semester to decide whether it supports Mac users. Not whether it supports Safari, not "the Mac version of Firefox" or even "the Mac version of IE" but logging in from a Mac computer at all. When I call the registrar's office, they claim to have never supported Mac. Except, they did. Last semester.

    One school has a laptop loan program for faculty and students. We can request to borrow a laptop to run our classes with. For one month. Then we have to return the computer and resubmit the request. The same school installed 3M Smart Boards in many of the classrooms. They have loads of cool features, but the remote controls and digital pen devices you need to use them all disappeared within months of installation. Now they serve as very expensive white boards.

    The list goes on . . . None of these are failings of technology, but how technology is implemented. I often get the impression that the people in charge of acquiring, installing, and managing tech at my schools are being brought in from the business sector. They are attempting to implement methodologies and policies suited to smaller, homogeneous work environments. Classrooms aren't office buildings; faculty and students use tech differently from the office staff.

  10. Re:Why do Doctors hate technology? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    As a doctor who has been involved in the start of multiple electronic records systems in multiple clinics and hospitals, I can answer your question partially. Really it's two reasons:

    1. Privacy. In some ways it's easier to lock down paper charts than networked records systems. You have a chart, one person has that chart at a time, and it's in one physical location. Networks get hacked, electronic charts can be viewed by multiple people at the same time, can be copied and pasted into emails readily, etc.

    2. Proprietary lock-in. The rush toward electronic records is heading us to one of the biggest fuck-overs in history because many hospitals rely on proprietary software for their charts (e.g., EPIC). It doesn't have to be this way--there are open-source records system, and the VA system has and is working on perfectly usable open records systems. Most of the time, though, that's not what administrators do. If you use paper charts, you can write on them with whatever pen you want. You can put them in whatever file cabinet you want. You can put whatever paper you want into them. Now, tens, if not hundreds, of millions of people's hospital charts are being put into a proprietary format that's locked to a specific vendor.

    Electronic record systems are great and simple in theory, but they're subject to the same problems as any other software, and the stakes are higher in some ways when you're talking about serious medical conditions for huge numbers of people. Imagine all your concerns about app store control, but now it's tied to whether or not someone needs brain surgery.

    Digital is great, but not *always* better than analogue. I wish people wouldn't assume that.

  11. What I use CMS for by scruffy · · Score: 2

    As a CS instructor, I use Blackboard for homework and program submission, for posting solutions and for recording grades. Nothing else. Making a full-fledged web site out of Blackboard is too terrible to think about.