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Is an International Nuclear Fuelbank a Good Idea?

An anonymous reader writes "A roundtable at the Bulletin of the Atomic Sciences explores the notion of nuclear fuel banks which would offer nations a guaranteed supply of low-enriched uranium if they renounce the right to enrich on their own. From the article: 'The basic idea behind an international fuel bank is that it would, in a reliable and nondiscriminatory way, make emergency supplies of market-priced low-enriched uranium available to states that sign up to participate. States that opt for membership in a fuel bank would gain increased confidence that their access to reactor-grade fuel would not be interrupted. In return, they would renounce the right to enrich uranium and reprocess spent fuel on their own. Such an arrangement could be appropriate for a number of states. But for others, it might be less than ideal.'"

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  1. Energy Dependence is tricky at best by BMOC · · Score: 5, Interesting

    What you would essentially be asking states to do is give up energy independence. It's a nice idea if you strongly trust every other nation in the world. The trouble is, even most allied nations these days harbor low-level suspicion of each other. That is to say nothing of all the ongoing conflicts and near-conflicts that exist. We're still living in a time of independent nation states that look after their own interests and try to avoid getting too pissed off at each other, so compulsory use of a central fuel repository is asking a lot of your average nation.

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    1. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by memnock · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Also, I want to know how they're going to distribute in a "nondiscriminatory" way. The U.N. Security Council nations or NATO or the country/ies supplying the nuclear material are/is going to demand some kind of say in running the fuelbank. There is no way to guarantee there'll be no politics or bias in deciding who will get to fuel distributed to them.

    2. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Interesting

      except that they're already dependent on someone for the uranium. That's the issue. Canada, australia, Russia, Niger, Namibia, Kazakhistan are the big net exporters, with south africa, communist china, the US, germany/czech republic, romania all have some mines, or at least reserves, but unless you're one of the big 5 (for want of a better phrase), you're at their mercy to actually get the uranium.

      Which leads to say, Iran, South Africa or Japan (or others, such as india, brazil, israel, the UK, France etc.). They all want nuclear power (or at least might want it), have no domestic source of the uranium, and they rely on someone to sell it to them. If the US vigorously objects to Iran getting uranium of any sort them well, they can't even have a civilian nuclear power programme, if china and north korea and russia make enough of a stink the same could happen to Japan and South korea. The Israeli's bank on being able to get their supplies from the US, and the US can always buy from Canada or australia, so they're safe, but everyone else that has a legitimate need for civilian nuclear power has a tough time saying 'I'm only interested in civilian nuclear power, but that other guy really just wants bombs".

      If you're talking about oil then sure, I agree, oil is in total worth so much money, and many of the producers so small that they can be forced into particular spheres of influence and the controllers of those spheres have no real vested interest in giving them up. Uranium is basically worthless in terms of total dollar value, 50 000 tonnes a year at $132k/tonne = 6.6 billion dollars a year as total worldwide production. Worldwide oil production is about 8 billion dollars per day.

      It's not like the people at question are energy independent with nuclear power now, this is about finding a way to expand that market so that lots more people can get access to supply without (further) threatening the security of the world with more nuclear bombs. Obviously it's sort of an absurd proposition, if north korea can build nuclear weapons anyone can, but it's an honest effort.

    3. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

      This program is basically designed for Iran. What they are trying to say that if Iran gives up their Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty rights for enrichment, then the US and Israel probably won't bomb them for that reason. And if the US or Israel needs to bomb Iran in the future, it can be done knowing that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons or highly enriched uranium that they can give to their allies. Even better, if Iran starts misbehaving, this fuel can be sanctioned. Finally, if Iran doesn't accept this program, then they must be building nuclear bombs, which gives the US and Israel justification to start bombing.

    4. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by Sir_Sri · · Score: 4, Insightful

      A big UN marketplace just could not work, because of the reasons uranium trading is going on now

      In the same way that you can't have wheat board that just buys all the wheat, and resells it for the same price it paid (give or take)? (e.g. the http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Wheat_Board, which survived quite successfully for 77 years until it was shut down for purely political reasons?).

      I'm not saying it's going to work, but you certainly could create a controlled market for low enriched uranium overseen by the 'rich reliable' countries who benefit by being the only ones doing the enriching (free money!) and everyone else gets reactor fuel, which means they have power, to you you know, use all the electronics and software that runs on electronics that we want to sell them.

      Uranium isn't sold like any other, the problem is enriched uranium, where you can't buy uranium if someone thinks you're going to enrich it. There are some broadly similar problems, pharmaceuticals that can be used for lethal injections for example cannot be sold if they're going to be used for lethal injections. The broad verifiable regulatory framework for uranium belongs with the UN, because no one trusts the Russians (who are claiming to do it for Iran for example), and for everyone else the added transparency elsewhere won't matter. Of course that makes it harder for Russia to supply nuclear weapons supplies to their friends, so it's not likely to go anywhere.

    5. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by shiftless · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This program is basically designed for Iran. What they are trying to say that if Iran gives up their Nuclear Nonproliferation Treaty rights for enrichment, then the US and Israel probably won't bomb them for that reason. And if the US or Israel needs to bomb Iran in the future, it can be done knowing that Iran doesn't have nuclear weapons or highly enriched uranium that they can give to their allies. Even better, if Iran starts misbehaving, this fuel can be sanctioned. Finally, if Iran doesn't accept this program, then they must be building nuclear bombs, which gives the US and Israel justification to start bombing.

      You forgot to add, that's what the propaganda would like us to believe. Why would a sane nation give over its right to energy independence?

    6. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by sxpert · · Score: 4, Insightful

      because, so far, Iran is a wholly independent nation, that hates the US so much that there is no way in hell they'll ever allow a US citizen to roam the country free at anytime, and I'm not even talking about visiting their nuclear enrichment sites As to Israel, they've been secretly building atomic bombs for the last 40 or so years... Considering that Iran will back down on their Nuclear Bomb building project is, at best misguided, from the US / Israel side

    7. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by dbIII · · Score: 4, Informative

      Those US basketball players over there apparently get around without trouble and have a big fan following. The culture is changing and it's a bit of a race whether they will get nukes and wreak havoc with them (nice place you've got Bahrain - pity if something happened to it) before the younger generation takes over. There's now the very old running the place, a very low population between 30-60, and a huge population of young adults due to a baby boom after the war with Iraq and they are not brainwashed like North Koreans. Read up on where the phrase "young Turks" came from to get an idea of what might happen. The weird old extremists have nobody to hand the torch to, and while it is no democracy (the position of President is a mostly powerless joke filled by a clown), there's enough of an appearance of one to give people the desire for a real one.

    8. Re:Energy Dependence is tricky at best by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      For the same reason that America would refuse having Iranians running around in their nuclear facilities?

  2. Re:Won't work by icebike · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Those that sign up, will be at the mercy of the UN (useless nations), bank on it.

    Which is to say they will face no restrictions what so ever, and will be free to use the nuclear material for any purpose they want with no fear of anything but a stern "talking to".

    This probably amounts to a promise of refueling from the original reactor manufacturer, because most of these are one-off designs or made
    to specifications such that fuel rods can only be manufactured by one source. So realistically, you only have one country you have to remain
    on good terms with, and that is the country that supplied your reactor. Even if there was a fuel bank, they are not likely to be trusted with any
    significant amount of fuel, and would simply serve as an intermediary to process orders.
    So if you piss off the country that made your reactor the chances are you still would get no fuel, unless you could go to the UN and have
    them deliver a vicious tongue lashing to the country withholding the rods.

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  3. Location, location, location. by DarwinSurvivor · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And in which country do they plan to enrich and store said nuclear fuelbank?

  4. Re:How about this instead... by Great+Big+Bird · · Score: 5, Informative

    Thorium can be used to produce U-233 which can be used to produce a simple bomb.

  5. MAD exists for a reason.... by Shakrai · · Score: 4, Insightful

    The solution is to give up the right to nuke anybody, so everyone can live with the threat of having ones home converted into a blue ashtray eliminated.

    Excellent idea, then we can go back to the good old days of industrialized total warfare! By taking away nuclear weapons you remove the only thing that places limitations on the willingness of nations to use force to meet their political objections. What do you purpose to replace MAD with? History tells us that political/international institutions won't preclude war, recall the League of Nations. Nor will treaties that purport to limit the allowable conduct during war remain effective once the balloon goes up. As a random example, unrestricted submarine warfare was outlawed after WW1, so naturally both sides employed it to maximum effect during WW2.

    Mutually assured destruction is the only thing that will prevent war, or at the very least manage it to the extent that it doesn't turn into total warfare. The proxy wars of the Cold War era weren't a lot of fun, but they beat the hell out of out of the alternative of total war between east and west.

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  6. Re:Won't work by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Those that sign up, will be at the mercy of the UN (useless nations), bank on it.

    Which is to say they will face no restrictions what so ever, and will be free to use the nuclear material for any purpose they want with no fear of anything but a stern "talking to".

     
    Or to put it another way, this "low enrich Uranium fuel bank" idea is to ensure a permanent divide of two classes of nations -
     
    First Class Nations which are allowed to do whatever they like with Nuclear Science - including producing super-enriched-grade Uranium (and all other radioactive materials) and to make all types of nuclear bombs),
     
    ... and ...
     
    Beggar Class Nations which have to rely on the First Class Nations to supply them with the low-grade Uranium, to power their nuclear power plants
     
    Right now, there's already a divide, but the line between them is not clear cut. With this, the line is fixed, and the beggar class nations will forever sign away their right to become self-dependent
     

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  7. Re:Won't work by Patch86 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    On the other hand, there are a huge number of nations that are in absolutely no position to have a nuclear programme of their own, for financial or technical reasons. For countries like that, this scheme would give them access to nuclear power, membership of the nuclear club, without them having to renounce anything except for hypothetical things.

    I mean, maybe Haiti thinks nuclear power would solve their power needs. Haiti isn't going to be developing enriched uranium reactors independently any time soon, and even if they wanted to they'd meet an impenetrably hostile diplomatic wall. This scheme would be fuel on tap for them, with none of the hassle.