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Russia's New Secure Android Tablet Keeps Data From Google

wiredmikey writes "It seems Russia's defense ministry doesn't trust Google's tablet computers: a new Android device presented to a top Russian government official boasts encryption and works with software and a global positioning system made in Russia, the AFP reports. The OS has all the functional capabilities of an Android operating system but none of its hidden features that send users' private data to Google, addressing concerns that data stored by Google could slip into the hands of the US government and expose some of their most secret and sensitive communications. Two versions of the tablet will supposedly be made — one for consumers and one for defense needs."

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  1. What about FSB? by coder111 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Right, so this tablet does keep data away from google. What about russian FSB?

    --Coder

    1. Re:What about FSB? by Jafafa+Hots · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You're right! Using this means there might be another intelligence agency monitoring your activities besides just the CIA.

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    2. Re:What about FSB? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      Probably none. In fact, it seems to be doing pretty good for a standard from 1989. There are criticisms, but this - "There is not much published cryptanalysis of GOST, but a cursory glance says that it seems secure (Schneier, 1996; Vitaly V. Shorin, Vadim V. Jelezniakov and Ernst M. Gabidulin, 2001)" - pretty much contradicts his "it's obvious that this is the case".

      Nevertheless, he's modded up - no need for prooflinks when it's about government conspiracies, right?

  2. Can we get the same? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Can we have an EU version, that keeps data within Europe, not like the EU version that hands all our banking data over to the USA when asked, one that respects OUR privacy?

    Sounds like a good idea to me.

    1. Re:Can we get the same? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      Switzerland is not the EU. He's talking about the other EU countries among which The Netherlands which got most of the banking data handed over to the US.

      So yeah, your BS is BS.

    2. Re:Can we get the same? by TheRaven64 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      How about a corporate version that only passes data to servers owned and controlled by your in-house IT staff? I'd have thought that there would be a market for this, but it's one that device makers, not Google, would have an incentive to fill.

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  3. In US by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 5, Funny

    In US all you data still belong to US!

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    1. Re:In US by houghi · · Score: 5, Insightful

      In Soviet Russia, the government protects your privacy.
      (Head LITERALLY explodes!)

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    2. Re:In US by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're protecting the data from Google, that doesn't mean that they aren't themselves receiving that data and more. Not that I necessarily think that's happening, although it would be expected of any government that was going out of its way to do this.

    3. Re:In US by mwvdlee · · Score: 3, Funny

      In the US, the government claims to protect your privacy as well.

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    4. Re:In US by __aaltlg1547 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      They're not protecting YOUR privacy. They're protecting the Russian government's privacy from Google. I don't see why anybody would be surprised by this at all. Instead, information channels keep the Russian government's central servers informed what their defense employees are doing with their phones.

      The Russian consumer grade product probably also keeps the government servers (possibly separate from the military servers to keep the civilians out of the military's business) informed about what the consumers are doing with their phones.

  4. As bad as Google may be by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I think I'd rather have my data go to Google rather than the Kremlin...

    1. Re:As bad as Google may be by notknown86 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It shouldn't be an either/or... Why isn't "neither" an option?

    2. Re:As bad as Google may be by Coward+Anonymous · · Score: 3, Informative

      Because your vendors are Google or the Kremlin. I didn't create the choices.

    3. Re:As bad as Google may be by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Funny

      As an American, I already use Baidu for search. I might as well buy myself a tablet that phones home to he Kremlin. For the things that I'm doing on the internet, I'm much more afraid of the American mafia than the Chinese triads, or the Russian mob. Of course, your circumstances will vary. If I was in China, I would probably be avoiding Baidu. And if I was in Russia, I'd probably avoid any churches where singing was going on.

  5. China did the same by stephanruby · · Score: 3, Funny

    Why is this even news? Even China did the same. It would be irresponsible not to.

    For Russia, it's the North Pole. And for China, it was the Tibet. If you let an American company suddenly do your mapping for you, or tell you where you're standing with their satellites, then you might as well kiss whatever new territory you just claimed an hour ago good bye.

    It's a steep slippery slope. One day, the North pole is gone. The next day, Moscow is part of Alaska. And your average citizen doesn't have a clue because he's too busy drinking vodka and industrial alcohol and looking at his phone for gps directions.

  6. Great - now we have a choice by Chrisq · · Score: 5, Funny

    Great - now we have a choice. We can trust Google and the US government or we can trust the Russian government .. Oh wait!

  7. Re:Source code ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Will they honour their GPL obligations and make the source code available ?

    Android is licensed with Apache 2.0 mostly, so they'd only be obliged to release the source code for any kernel modifications they might have made.

  8. Re:So do it by stephanruby · · Score: 4, Informative

    If you do it well, fame will be yours. If you sell it well, fortune too. Unless there is no demand for this feature.

    Oh no, there is a demand for this feature. There are even a few Android ROMs that have this feature. Personally, I had such a ROM installed for about a week, before I gave up on it and reverted to a different ROM. As it turns out, the Googe Maps/Navigation auto-complete feature is much easier and more convenient to use if your phone doesn't have short-term amnesia between uses. And yes, I admit it. I am trading privacy for convenience and ease of use. Thought, I don't mind it.

    If you just browse the xda forums a little bit, you'll see that there are many people that care about privacy, and are willing to pay the price of privacy in terms of ease of use and convenience, much more than I do. So do not take my example as proof that there is no demand, there is actually a demand. It's just that there is already plenty of existing grassroots competition for that kind of feature in the rooted custom-ROM Android ecosystem.

  9. Re:Tipical russian by chilvence · · Score: 3, Informative

    They did not choose their own alphabet, their choice of church did it for them centuries ago, and it is actually a lot closer to the greek alphabet than the latin one ( which was, if I remember right, an offshoot of a western greek variant.) So if you want a reason for all that, blame Greece! :)

    The fact is though, that at least objectively, the cyrillic alphabet is better than the latin one, having much less ambiguity and more letters for things such as 'sh 'kh' 'ch' etc. The only failing it has is that it uses letters similair to latin letters to mean completely different things, which leads to an inevitable amount of brain bonk when you are trying to learn it.

  10. Re:No *ONGOING* by Rockoon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    but USA has something on them as leverage.

    What dirt could possibly be so bad and so extensive that it literally forces the hand of every country in the E.U. with regards to SWIFT? Even the E.U. countries that initially were in opposition backed down (such as Germany.)

    If we accept your theory as true, that the U.S. has some major dirt on all the E.U. governments, then maybe you shouldn't be trying to make the U.S. out to be the bad guy. Sins so bad that the E.U. could be blackmailed into giving up the banking data of 500 million people doesn't sound like little white lies to me. It sounds like very serious evil-type shit

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  11. Privacy - that's what we expect in Russia (and US) by gavron · · Score: 4, Informative

    The first thing we learn in security training is that if you don't want your data found,
    make sure there's no such data to begin with. If you read nothing else, read the paragraph
    following this one, and the last one.

    People's personal devices are being used to spy on them on a regular basis. In the US it
    was recently rules your smartphone CAN and WILL be used against you without a warrant.
    http://arstechnica.com/tech-policy/2012/08/federal-court-rules-cops-can-warantlessly-track-suspects-via-cellphone/

    In Russia it was recently rules you don't need a smartphone to go to jail for "free expression"
    only in a church.
    http://articles.cnn.com/2012-08-17/world/world_europe_russia-pussy-riot-trial_1_band-members-nadezhda-tolokonnikova-russian-court

    Now that we've covered the facts, more facts are that your smartphone DOES send information
    about you SOMEWHERE. Be it google (standard US Android device, data sending enabled) or
    Mother Russia (Russian version of Android device) if you have GPS enabled and outbound data
    sending enabled... someone out there has access to the data, whether or not they keep it,
    catalog it, database[ify] it, store it, or analyze it [later].

    If you want your information to be kept private... KEEP IT PRIVATE. That means don't use a device that
    sends that information ANYWHERE ELSE. Even if you think it "shouldn't" send it somewhere it MAY.
    MAY is a percentage between 0 and 100% that if you can't afford it should be ALWAYS zero.

    GPS -there are plenty of devices that will plot your location, show you a route to a destination, and have
    no capability for transmission.

    PHONE -there are plenty of phones that WILL GIVE YOUR LOCATION TO CELL COMPANIES WHICH
    IN THE USE WILL GIVE THEM to law enforcement without a warrant.
    http://www.wired.com/threatlevel/2012/08/warrantless-gps-phone-tracking/
    Feel free to have your phone either OFF or covered in a Faraday cage (aluminum foil works) until you must use it.

    DATA -there is no way you can use data [which requires bidirectional packet flow] without giving away your
    location unless you are using a local WiFi hotspot.

    In short... in summary... put your smartphone into airplane-mode. Turn on wifi-only (android phones will allow
    you to enable WiFi in airplane-mode but will leave other radios disabled). Use local hotspots. Don't install
    applications that require "access to the physical device such as speaker or microphone or location-based information"... ...and welcome to the 21st Century.

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  12. New distro by Clsid · · Score: 3, Interesting

    It would be nice to have a group create a version of Android that doesn't report back anywhere. To be honest, one of the reasons I don't like to use Google products is that you always have this feeling that you don't even know when you are being tracked, but if it has the Google logo somewhere they will try real hard to do it. I get it, they are for-profit corporation and that's the way to get their revenue but I rather pay or use open source software whenever I can. It isn't funny how many people are willing to let go of their privacy because of a free product/service (think rebates).