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Iran and North Korea Team Up To Fight State-Sponsored Malware

An anonymous reader writes, quoting the article: "At the start of this month, news broke that Iran and North Korea have strengthened their ties, specifically by signing a number of cooperation agreements on science and technology. The two states signed the pact on Saturday, declaring that it represented a united front against Western powers. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, Iran's Supreme Leader, told Kim Yong Nam, North Korea's ceremonial head of state, the two countries have common enemies and aligned goals. On Monday, security firm F-Secure weighed in on the discussion. The company believes Iran and North Korea may be interested in collaborating against government-sponsored malware attacks such as Duqu, Flame, and Stuxnet."

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  1. Hmm... by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm guessing that was an unintended consequence of those malware programs. Unless there's an advantage I don't see with Iran and North Korea strengthening ties.

    1. Re:Hmm... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I'm guessing that was an unintended consequence of those malware programs. Unless there's an advantage I don't see with Iran and North Korea strengthening ties.

      The military-industrial complex needs enemies. I'm on the edges of the "cybersecurity" business and its been apparent for years now that there is a huge push to play up the risks with respect to national security because there are Cosmos-level contracting dollars at stake (i.e. billions and billions). This sort of escalation perfectly feeds that narrative.

      Stuxnet is going to pay huge dividends for the company that wrote it, not because of the success in Iran, but because of the massive funding for the coming "cyberwar" that stuxnet provoked - imaginary or otherwise.

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    2. Re:Hmm... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Unintended, but hardly unforeseeable, so why would there be mudslinging? Any sort of broad-based sanction will likely lead to increased ties between people who can't do business anywhere else. National self interest is an older game than you seem to think.

    3. Re:Hmm... by Dyinobal · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Republicans will say Obama, some how caused North Korea and Iran to hop into bed, and forget to mention that they would of followed the exact same policies or done worse and got us into another unfunded pointless war in the middle east.

      I'm not sure if there will be any mud slinging about this before the election as I doubt the republicans want to draw attention to foreign affairs after Romney's rather terrible overseas trip and the fact his ticket has no foreign policy experience at all but still I can see it happen.

    4. Re:Hmm... by gman003 · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Unless there's an advantage I don't see with Iran and North Korea strengthening ties.

      It's called the "Slytherin Plan" - gather all your troublemakers and ne'er-do-wells and put them in one spot, so you always know where the next attack is coming from (pro-tip: it's coming from the hive of scum and villainy you just made by doing so).

    5. Re:Hmm... by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 3, Insightful

      In other words, same shit as always, but now with much lower body counts?

      Depends on how you measure "body count" - if it takes death by kinetic weapon to qualify, then sure. If it means slow deaths, like losing 10 years off a person's lifespan due to poor medical care, malnutrition, environmental pollution or whatever because resources were poorly allocated then no.

      Furthermore, just as tasers seem to encourage misuse because of their advertised non-lethality, we stand a good chance of finding escalation of international conflict because of the less-obvious lethality of this sort of engagement.

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    6. Re:Hmm... by osu-neko · · Score: 5, Funny

      Just 30 years? I want to blame all of them at least back to Nixon.

      Wait a minute, it's been over 30 years since...? Aw frak...

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    7. Re:Hmm... by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Interesting

      the USA didn't make iran and north korea. this would disavow the existence of millions of human beings who of their own volition have made it their life's work to militarize and issue bellicose language for decades

      oh i know "in ancient history cold war, the USA did {XYZ} to country {ABC}. therefore, the USA is forevermore 100% responsible for what country {ABC} does." with such stunning intellectual analysis, nevermind completely condescension and patronization of iranians and north koreans as nothing but cardboard cutouts of american actions, how can one argue?

      also, i like how it disavows the USA of anything that happens in afghanistan. since because the USSR invaded it in the 1980s, by some idiot's logic, that means 100% of everything in afghanistan is Russia's fault forever. Oh wait, I'm sorry! We sold Osama bin Laden a stinger missile in the 1980s, so therefore, everything the man does after that is 100% our fault. sorry, i have to get with the mindless blanket blame game program and stop thinking of these people as having free will and the ability to create their own agenda, and remember that they are all just reflections of past american actions, of course

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    8. Re:Hmm... by dintech · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the USA didn't make iran and north korea

      Maybe they did a little bit...

      Iranian_Revolution#Historical_background

      Korean_War#Factors_in_U.S._intervention

  2. This is a very bad thing by maxbash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    You think 1930s Germany and Italy working together was bad. This totally freaks me out.

  3. Re:Where does North Korea get its computers from? by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 5, Funny

    Considering all the trade and economical sanction, and the collapsed economy, where does North Korea get its computers from?

    Well up until recently, Kim Jung Il designed and built them all himself.

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  4. Re:Where does North Korea get its computers from? by Guppy06 · · Score: 4, Informative

    where does North Korea get its computers from?

    Probably from the same place they got their nuclear technology: our dear friend and ally Pakistan.

  5. Re:Oh, the Irony by Black+Parrot · · Score: 3, Funny

    Out of curiosity: which Nazi innovations am I using right now?

    I'm pretty sure they made up the word "Nazi", which you just used.

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  6. FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Oh, to be a fly on the wall when those two get together one weekend to install FreeBSD for the first time.

    1. Re:FreeBSD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Wouldn't they be more likely to install OppressionBSD? [ducks]

  7. the military industrial complex is evil by circletimessquare · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but this does not mean that enemies are just made up hoaxes

    the venom from north korea and iran is real. just ask a japanese, or a syrian

    this is where you lecture me on how these are peace loving harmless countries that have been turned into monsters, just to slake a thirst to spend money by an industrial complex in the usa

    you know, there are actually real breathing human beings in north korea and iran who think and have their own ideas, completely of their own will and independent volition. some of their ideas come from concepts they dearly believe that are older than the united states' existence. not just cardboard cut out reflections of some western propaganda from decades ago from a dead cold war era. maybe you should conceptionalize the fantasty that there exists real people outside the usa with their own agenda that did not start in washington dc

    some of them have agendas that carry some malice for peace on this earth, not just malice for the economies of the west. what they believe and think is their own original creation, and may require defeat on a battlefield

    i say that not because i love drinking oil from the skulls of dead children, or whatever nonsense you believe about someone like myself who would say such a thing, but because i understand, unlike you, that menace does not only flow from one place in the world, and the usa is not the only country with a military industrial complex

    in fact, if you want to see the most complete representation of the idea of a military industrial complex controlling a country in all avenues of power, try pyongyang. tehran, not so much, but the revolutionary guard there is trying its best to defang the mullahs and be more of a direct military industrial complex dominating a country, just like pyongyang

    so if you oppose the idea of the military industrial complex, you oppose north korea. unless your supposed principles are not so much real principles, just a thin veneer for the same old tired tribalism of hating a country or nationality such as the usa just out of the same old tired empty chest thumping avarice you believe you are above somehow?

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  8. Breaking Nazi crypto by tepples · · Score: 3, Interesting

    And if it weren't for trying to break Nazi crypto, the Allies probably wouldn't have invented computers as we know them.

  9. Re:Oh, the Irony by zill · · Score: 3, Funny

    Don't forget about grammar.

    Anytime you done wrote a complete sentence with proper grammar means the grammar Nazis have won.

  10. Re:Oh, the Irony by Genda · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Yeah, if you're doing anything that involves a satellite, there's some Nazi tech. Your country is holding back the dogs of war with nukes that contain Nazi tech. If you ever did anything that involved hypothermia, you have Dr. Mengele to thank, of course he got that very useful information by freezing hundred of Jews to death, which while useful makes it one of the hardest won pieces of medical information ever collected and forever Mengele a scumbag of monumental proportions.

    In fact the Nazis were brilliant engineers and there are literally thousands of improvements in motors, cars, trains, heavy machinery, factories and engineering and applied sciences that are a permanent part of everything we do. That doesn't mean they weren't barbaric. It does mean that they produced some amazing technology in the headlong race to self destruction. Hmmmm, sound at all familiar?

  11. Bullshit. by bmo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What are they possibly going to do? They are outgunned in every respect - technologically, economically, and militarily by everyone who won't put up with their shit. Pre-WWII Germany had built itself back up to a manufacturing and academic (well, before they chased out the jewish PhDs) powerhouse. Meanwhile we've got the Mullahs afraid that people might actually learn things while at university and a North Korean populace that is reduced to eating grass every 10 years or so. Comparing Iran and North Korea to pre-war Nazi Germany doesn't even pass the belly laugh test.

    Did you even see the ludicrous North Korean attempt at a supposed satellite launch? What about the photoshopped missile launch test from Iran?

    Compare and contrast to the years between WWII and Yeltsin shelling Parliament when I would see maps in the Providence Journal of what would happen if a nuclear warhead detonated over Quonset Point Naval Air Station - an actual, credible, threat. That's what gets me about this "war on terrorism" and "axis of evil" bullshit which chews up trillions of dollars and ruins soldiers' lives for few actual results over imaginary threats to the US. We're supposed to soil our underwear over some technologically backwards regimes who don't even have actual long-range missiles and their medium range missiles leave much to be desired?

    You want cyberwar? How about "accidentally" "dragging an anchor" over an undersea cable in the Persian Gulf or off the coast of North Korea? Because that's what our response is going to be if Iran and North Korea become offensive with malware botnets and they can do fuck-all about it. It's not like it hasn't happened before.

    Threat? Please.

    What fucking threat?

    The people playing up this "threat" of Iran and North Korea are a bunch of pants-wetters and chickenhawks with only one thing in mind - making money off the unjustified fear and advancing the ideologies of PNAC and FPI banging the drums for boots-on-the-ground war with Iran and probably NK. Dan Senor isn't exactly a "potted plant" to take a term from Ollie North's lawyer.

    Oh yeah, and guess who Dan Senor works for?

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  12. Ask Japanese about Korea?? by Taco+Cowboy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    the venom from north korea and iran is real. just ask a japanese ....

     
    Say what??
     
    Ask Japanese about the Koreans?
     
    For Your Information, it was the Japanese who invaded Korea multiple times throughout history
     
    Not the other way around
     

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