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Should We Print Guns? Cody R. Wilson Says "Yes" (Video)

The Wiki Weapon Project and its idea of making guns with 3D printers has already been mentioned on Slashdot. It has also been written up on Forbes.com and a lot of other geek and non-geek sites. Note that when some Wiki Weapon proponents talk about making "guns" with 3D printers, they may be talking only about lower receivers or other static parts, not barrels, firing pins or other parts that must be machined to close tolerances and are subjected to a lot of stress when the gun fires. But low-cost 3D printing and low-cost CNC machining technologies are both advancing at a rapid rate, so thinking about the intersection of firearm manufacturing and open source is both worthwhile and timely. There's been a strong debate about this topic on Eric S. Raymond's Armed and Dangerous blog that's worth reading. Also recommended: The Home Gunsmith.com and CNC Gunsmithing. Astute Slashdot readers will, no doubt, recommend many more. Meanwhile, this video is about licensing, distribution, and legal matters, not the actual manufacture of firearms. There's a transcript (we're finally doing transcripts of selected videos) below the video for those who prefer to read instead of watch.

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  1. If you outlaw printing guns by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Then only outlaws will have printed guns.

  2. Re:Criminal Investigation by timothy · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's an interesting use of "field day" :)

    It does raise lots of questions about the current registration / tracking regime, though. For people who want to home-build a (legal, personal) gun, the BATFE has provisions for applying for a serial number to then inscribe/afix to the result. The details are eluding my memory right now, though, perhaps someone with more recent steeping will be able to expand ...

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  3. There are already ample laws available... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    ...regulating this behavior. The rules of what you can create and can't are pleasantly explicit in the US. There may be a few new edge cases, but on the whole this won't be anything new to the ATF. Simply, with modern tools, zip guns are no longer hard to make.

    Where these people will run into trouble is the attitude ~5:30 minutes into the video, the statement "Fuck your laws." Does not show the kind of safe-and-sane experimenter spirit to which the courts are often forgiving. It's more of a "make an example of me" invitation.

    I hope everyone inspired to experiment with these toys takes the opposite approach. Last I read about them, the jail sentences that come with full-auto weapons manufacture were 10 years per gun.

    The ATF has no problem with good amateur gunsmithing, nor experimenting with new technologies to make better guns. Kel-Tec is a great example. My first Kel-Tec (the Grendel) was painful to shoot, but cheap and reliable, and now they are a thriving business.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kel-Tec

    1. Re:There are already ample laws available... by rcuhljr · · Score: 4, Informative

      Thank you for your post full of stereotypical and uninformed derp. .223 is for the military? No .223 is the civilian chambering of the 5.56 military round (they operate at different pressures). The .223 is a common hunting round and I own a pistol chambered in it as well. However the 5.56 is for most purposes functionally identical and I'd bet it's used for hunting to a large extent as well. It's also one of the most inexpensive mid range rifle calibers for target shooting, far cheaper to target shoot with than the custom wildcat calibers many target shooters use.

      Also please stop talking about about high velocity rounds and walls before you actually read something on the subject.

      http://how-i-did-it.org/drywall/ammunition.html

  4. Re:Technology by Anubis+IV · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Chinese were so ignorant they thought gunpowder was useful for making delightful colors in the sky to amuse people.

    You call that ignorant. I call that bliss. They used the technology for centuries to delight and entertain people...and nothing more. Call my cynical, but I wish more technologies followed that pattern.

  5. Re:Criminal Investigation by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Police are going to have a field day with printed guns, which by nature won't have/need serial numbers or registration (except possibly for conceal and carry)

    *re-reads the Second Amendment*

    Hmm, don't see the clause where it requires all my firearms to be registered with the government...

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  6. Re:Criminal Investigation by ColdWetDog · · Score: 4, Insightful

    No tracking system is going to deal with the question of home made / under the counter gun sales or construction.

    It has ALWAYS been possible (and fairly easy) to make a lower receiver in the comfort and privacy of your own machine shop. Making it on a 3D printer doesn't change a thing except for requiring a different skill set.

    In fact, if you wanted to create a race-to-the-finish between aficionados of 3D gun printing and the old boring machine shop way, I'm going to bet that the folks with the 3 axis Bridgeports are going to win hands down. You can teach anyone with an IQ of about 110 to use a milling machine / lathe well enough to make a simple gun in about a month. High school shops do it all the time.

    By the time that the 3D folks have figured out the plans, figured out the materials and debugged the system to make a .22 popgun that won't literally melt after the third round, I'm well on my way to fabricating a raft of AK-47 clones.

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  7. Digital Sand Casting by djl4570 · · Score: 4, Interesting

    3D printing technology is moving into realms that many of us would have overlooked. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z8MaVaqNr3U documents using a "sand printer" to make very precise molds for sand casting. Precision castings reduce the amount of finish work required on the casting. Many of the parts used in a gun could be cast using such a technique, finished, tempered where necessary. (Ruger casts a lot of frames, At one time Springfield used cast bolts in the M1A until enough of them broke that they started forging bolts.) MIM is already widely used in the firearms industry for parts like hammers, triggers and grip safeties. The only parts I can think of that couldn't be made using 3D printing or the above technology are springs which can be bought in bulk, and the barrel, which has to be ordinance grade steel and rifled unless you're shooting a smoothbore with shot or a fin stabilized projectile.

  8. Re:Technology by Chris+Mattern · · Score: 4, Informative

    The Chinese were so ignorant they thought gunpowder was useful for making delightful colors in the sky to amuse people.

    On the contrary, they started making weapons out of it in fairly short order.

    It took a genius to see the killer app, making round metal balls that fly through people. I guess that's literally a killer app. Go technology.

    This, on the other hand, is true. Guns and cannon were not an obvious application. The Chinese used it for flamethrowers, rockets and bombs. The first guns *were* produced by Chinese, about three or four centuries after gunpowder was invented.

  9. Re:Guns are an extreme case, but not the only case by NoSleepDemon · · Score: 4, Funny

    The thing about being social skills is that they're extraordinarily easy to learn. Go work in a coffee shop for a year and boom, you have all the skills you'll ever need. On the other hand, all that hackneyed, uninspiring haiku stuff that goes hand in hand with programming, tinkering, writing music and so on is actually much harder to learn. And will make you a bunch of money.

    So while you're off fucking chicks in high school / college and enjoying the 5 or so years of your life where you mean a damn, the geeks are busy toiling away in their caves creating something cool. At about the post University level they emerge, get gym memberships, get jobs that require social contact and end up with the *really* good looking girls who were also socially awkward in school that would never have banged you in a million years.

    So while you're rotting at the local pub, do spare a thought for those sex starved voyeuristic creeps, and their nice cars, big houses and sexy, intelligent wives.

  10. Re:Criminal Investigation by CowTipperGore · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My issue with the organizations like the NRA is that they tend to promote the toys, but not the well regulated malitia that would stand between the populous and foreign or domestic raiding force. Where is the support of rocketry clubs that could actually provide a real defense against helicopters that would place boots on the ground? Clustering a few E engines in a simple shell could deliver enough reactant to be seriously annoying. But all they talk about is how a few pop guns are going to fend off the tanks and hummers.

    Anything more than this gets you a one-way ticket to a federal prison as a domestic terrorist. The US Government and national media successfully turned the notion of a militia into a slur during the Clinton years. Just saying you belonged to a militia meant you were at least a right-wing kook and more likely a dangerous terrorist.