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Texas Opens Fastest US Highway With 85 MPH Limit

Hugh Pickens writes "Most highways in the U.S. top out at 75 mph, while some highways in rural West Texas and Utah have 80 mph speed limits. All that is about to change as Texas opens a stretch of highway with the highest speed limit in the country, giving eager drivers a chance to rip through a trip between two of the state's largest metropolitan areas at 85 mph for a 41-mile toll road between Austin and San Antonio. While some drivers will want to test their horsepower and radar detectors, others are asking if safety is taking a backseat. A 2009 report in the American Journal of Public Health found that more than 12,500 deaths were attributable to increases in speed limits on all kinds of roads and that rural highways showed a 9.1 percent increase in fatalities on roads where speed limits were raised. 'If you're looking at an 85 mph speed limit, we could possibly see drivers going 95 up to 100 miles per hour,' says Sandra Helin, president of the Southwestern Insurance Information Service. 'When you get to those speeds, your accidents are going to be a lot worse. You're going to have a lot more fatalities.'"

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  1. Rest of the world already ahead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Well, that's 136km/h - that's what our recommended travelling speed (130) on the "Autobahn" is in Germany.
    It has proven to be an excellent balance between emission (gears and cars are tuned to that speed), moving forward, but not braking too much due to other people's influences.

    Once again I have deep mis-respect for you "best country in the world" guys.

    1. Re:Rest of the world already ahead by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Well, that's 136km/h - that's what our recommended travelling speed (130) on the "Autobahn" is in Germany. It has proven to be an excellent balance between emission (gears and cars are tuned to that speed), moving forward, but not braking too much due to other people's influences.

      Once again I have deep mis-respect for you "best country in the world" guys.

      From Expatica:

      The worst case Führeschein scenario is having to take a full driving course, like young German drivers do. "To get a regular driver's license," Christine explains, "you have to take 14 theory classes and at least 12 driving lessons. Driving schools usually offer them twice a week, so that takes about seven weeks. Depending on how quickly you learn, it can be done in about three months; but it usually takes longer, because of holidays and so forth. You start with the classroom sessions, and then move on to the driving portion, taking them in parallel so you learn the rules and also how to apply them." How many driving lessons you'll need to take depends on how quickly you learn. With 12 as the minimum, and 50 on the high end, the full licensing course can cost between EUR 1000-2000.

      Compare that to getting a license in the US:
      - @ 15.5 yrs, take lame written exam
      - @ 16 yrs, take lame driving "test" where you drive a couple laps around the city square or a big empty parking lot, then parallel park

      That is pretty much all the training most US drivers get, which may explain why we have significantly higher accident rates than Germany, even with lower speed limits on highways.

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    2. Re:Rest of the world already ahead by chemicaldave · · Score: 4, Insightful

      German requirements to obtain a license are orders of magnitude more strict than in the States. Safe drivers make safe roads.

    3. Re:Rest of the world already ahead by cpotoso · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I've driven in the autobahn in Germany and in Austria. Some of them aren't that different than the typical US interestate, in fact I would even say that most interstates are actually better with wider lanes, more gentle curves and longer acceleration in-ramps compared to the autobahns I've driven in. Cars were not significantly newer/better either. The ONLY significant difference is that people actually use their BRAINS while driving in the autobahn. Specifically: you drive in the lane that corresponds to your speed, and pull to the right IMMEDIATELY after overpassing (because the BMW coming behind is coming pretty fast). Drivers going 200 km/h are extra careful, and assume that someone may pull in front of them to overpass another car. All in all, it is the fact that they are using the most important safety device, the BRAIN, rather than trusting some gizmo (technology, anti-lock brakes, etc) to keep them safe.

  2. It's an Effing Toll Road by CanHasDIY · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't like the higher speed limit? Don't drive on it.

    Doesn't get any simpler than that.

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    1. Re:It's an Effing Toll Road by reidconti · · Score: 4, Insightful

      What, what an asshole move. Not only do you care so little about safety that you threaten to cause bodily harm to another driver because you *don't like the way they drive*, but you're perfectly fine with causing massive traffic jams. Have you ever noticed how most instances of really heavy (but rolling) traffic occur because there's some inconsiderate driver with no lane discipline, no ability to look in their mirrors, and a self-important outlook on their driving, who is holding up countless cars behind them by going slow in the left lane?

      Yeah, probably not. You wouldn't notice something like that.

  3. Autobahn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The sad fact is that its not speed that kills, its differential speed. Unfortunately our drivers training here is not really up to the standards it should be with modern machines. If you look at Germany they take drivers ed a lot more seriously, as well as licencing, with 6 month courses costing thousands of dollars being the norm. As well the rules of the Autobahn are strictly enforced, if you're going slow in the left lane you WILL be pulled over, just as quick if not quicker than you would for "speeding". Same with sudden lane changes, and just general bad driving. Speed doesnt kill, dumb drivers do.

    1. Re:Autobahn by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 4, Insightful

      If I'm doing the speed limit in the far left lane you have no right to bitch.

      If you are not passing another vehicle, than you are breaking the law and are doing something that is not safe. If you are not passing another vehicle, get out of the passing lane.

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  4. stupidest argument ever by v1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    'When you get to those speeds, your accidents are going to be a lot worse. You're going to have a lot more fatalities.'"

    That happens anytime you raise the speed limit. from 55 to 65. from 45 to 55. from 10 to 20. We've already had this argument brought up multiple times, and you lost. Take that argument and go away.

    Statistically speaking anyway, once you're hurtling down the road at 65 mph or faster, you're already well over the curve for speed-to-lethality tradeoff. Dropping your odds of survival from 2% to 1.8% really doesn't impress me that much.

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    1. Re:stupidest argument ever by TheCarp · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Add that to research that suggests that many people drive at the speed they feel comfortable at, regardless of the posted limit, and it really is a very good question.

      What is the point? Personally, I think its because some people like the idea of being able to pull over any car at will. Just keep the rules in that area where most people break a few as a matter of course, but not so egregious that its obvious thats what you are doing, and its both a money source and a source of arbitrary abuse of power.

      I have heard it directly from cops mouths.... if they want to pull someone over, the standard wisdom is, all they have to do is watch them for a few minutes and they will find a reason. What does that say about the standards that are set?

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  5. Stay out of the left lane if you're not passing by Control-Z · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Just stay out of the left lane when not passing and driving will be much safer for everyone.

  6. Re:Nothing new by countach74 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Not necessarily. The problem with speed limits is they do not take into consideration the vehicle that's being driven, the vehicle's tires, or other various factors that contribute to the safety of those speeds.

    I agree that it increases the potential for Darwinism, but just because one drives at 90-100 MPH on the freeway does not necessarily mean that he or she is driving any more risky than someone driving at 60. Those of us who value our own (and our family's) well being don't drive based entirely on the speed limit. In certain conditions, I drive much slower than the speed limit because that's what's wise. It would be nice if I were also allowed to drive faster when safe.. you know, to make up for the times that I had to drive slower.

    Ultimately, I feel the real problem is that people have been trained to rely on the government to tell them what's right and wrong, what's safe and what's dangerous. It's total bullshit.

  7. Re:Apples and Oranges by WillAdams · · Score: 5, Insightful

    When I was stationed in (middle-of-nowhere) Texas in 1987--8, the drivers were courteous to a fault, and pulling over onto the (fully paved) shoulder to allow a faster car overtaking one was the norm.

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  8. There's nothing Darwin about it. by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    There is nothing unsafe about driving very fast on roads designed for driving very fast. You are FAR safer driving on a restricted-access divided highway at 100 MPH than you are driving on a 45 MPH city street with cross traffic, or a country road. Especially now that many states are putting up those cables in the median that prevent cars from getting across into oncoming traffic.

    Even the article summary has to grasp for straws in trying to provide a "balanced" summary.... this 85 MPH divided highway is apparently unsafe because.... driving fast on country roads increases fatalities!

    But a divided highway is not a country road.

    Accidents between two cars going in the same direction at relatively the same speed (+/- 10-15 mph) are rare. It's the car going 35 MPH+ one way that encounters another car going 35 MPH+ in a different direction (hed-on or cross traffic) that kills people. Divided highway fatalities are usually coming up on stopped traffic in fog or at night, or falling asleep and leaving the highway.

    One more point to note ... if you're going to get in a single-car accident at 65 MPH and hit a pylon or something, you're dead. If you do it at 85 or 90 MPH, you're just REALLY dead. Same difference.

    1. Re:There's nothing Darwin about it. by tibit · · Score: 4, Insightful

      65mph frontal crashes into a wall/pylon larger than the car's front are survivable in plenty of modern cars. Just barely, perhaps, but they are. Arguably, for such a "survivability", I'd much rather go 85MPH and not make it for sure.

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    2. Re:There's nothing Darwin about it. by jythie · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thing is, you can only engineer so much into the highway's design before you start encountering more problems on the human side. Reaction times do not improve, and unfortunately people rarely increase their following distance when driving faster (esp as the number of users increases), so yes, higher permitted speeds tend to result in more accidents.

      Thing is, this isn't a politician, scientists, or institution saying this, it is the insurance companies. They tend to do a pretty good job of cutting through the BS since their profits are directly connected to actually things right.

      And while it is true that such collisions are 'rare', they are still common enough to be a daily occurrence on most major highways

    3. Re:There's nothing Darwin about it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      People like to point to the Autobahn for speeds like this but there are clear differences.

      - Licenses are much harder to get in Germany and require much stricter testing
      - The high speed roads are very well maintained and are not straight so they tend not to create driving "hypnosis"
      - People take driving more seriously on the Autobahn instead of treating it like a game or a chance to play with their phones

      Hit a bump in a road at 90+ and your average SUV would probably lift off the ground and lose control.

    4. Re:There's nothing Darwin about it. by schlachter · · Score: 4, Insightful

      most of us are driving 70-80mph anyways when the limits are 55-65mph...and arbitrarily enforced. Why not just make the limits 85mph and enforce it strictly? Far less ambiguity and stress for the driver. And no need to negotiate down tickets or argue when pulled over.

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  9. Re:Nothing new by FSWKU · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are also well published statistics about how fatalities increase as a result of going at a higher speed (which should be pretty obvious if you give it more than a few minutes of thought).

    Fatalities increase with speed, yes. Because higher speed means a crash has more destructive force than a lower speed. However, that does NOT mean that a higher speed CAUSES more crashes. It just means the crashes that may or may not have occurred either way are far more likely to kill you. And even at 65mph, if you wipe out, you're going to have a really bad day more often than not.

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