UK Finally Gets 4G Networking

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UK Finally Gets 4G Networking

Posted by timothy on Tuesday September 11, 2012 @01:24AM from the one-upping-dan-savage dept.

judgecorp writes "The UK has finally got its first 4G network, provided by EE, a new brand from Everything Everywhere, the company formed by the merger of T-Mobile and Orange in the UK. The network will cover 20 million people (about a third of the UK population) in 16 cities by the end of 2012, but right now only engineers are on the network. It will support phones including the expected iPhone 5, and the Nokia Lumia 920."

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frequency band? by danbob999 · 2012-09-11 01:26 · Score: 1

On what frequency band is it deployed?
1. Re:frequency band? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-11 01:31 · Score: 1
  
  1800Mhz; so if the new iPhone has the same radio hardware as the recent iPad, it won't be compatiable.
2. Re:frequency band? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-11 01:40 · Score: 1
  
  Sadly it seems the delays are due to legal bickering putting back the spectrum auction.
  EE have found they have a bunch of spare spectrum as a result of the merger (they also sold some to Three, so expect a limited LTE service from them as well soon). They decided to launch it now, and the industry regulator recognised that it would harm consumers to not allow them to start offering a solution before the auction occurred.
  The actual auction will be occurring next year as a result of the bickering from the network operators. Who are now bickering that EE are being allowed to launch a service. Well, sucks eh - that's what happens when you bicker about things instead of doing things.
3. Re:frequency band? by lobiusmoop · 2012-09-11 01:45 · Score: 2
  
  It's kind-of sad that this question even needs to be asked after 3 generations of global mobile telephony.
  As Andy Tanenbaum said: "The nice thing about standards is that you have so many to choose from.".
  You'd think that by now we could agree on a unified solution for 4G.
  
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4. Re:frequency band? by Michael+Wardle · 2012-09-11 01:52 · Score: 2
  
  The press release doesn't say, but they got approval to use 1800 MHz for LTE recently, so I assume it must be 1800.
  http://online.wsj.com/article/BT-CO-20120821-700757.html
  http://www.zdnet.com/uk/4g-decision-annoys-everything-everywheres-rivals-but-it-will-benefit-consumers-7000002942/
5. Re:frequency band? by SimonTheSoundMan · 2012-09-11 02:06 · Score: 3, Insightful
  
  We, as in UK, Europe and the rest of the world have. It is just the USA that is different.
6. Re:frequency band? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-11 02:10 · Score: 1
  
  Yes, it's 1800. It is actually part of their old 2G spectrum, which they are re-using for 4G. The other carriers are annoyed because they have to wait for the real 4G spectrum auctions, which IIRC, were once part of the analogue TV signal. I get the feeling that anyone buying a 4G/LTE phone SIM free will have to check very carefully whether it will work with their carrier of choice. As far as I can see, there are currently no phones that will support what EE are doing in the UK. Please correct me if I am wrong.
7. Re:frequency band? by Chrisq · 2012-09-11 02:59 · Score: 2
  
  On what frequency band is it deployed?
  Hey, is that you Kenneth?
8. Re:frequency band? by JackieBrown · 2012-09-11 03:09 · Score: 1
  
  Is this post wrong, then?
  http://mobile.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3109345&cid=41299395
  
  The 1800 MHz Band is one of the three bands that Europe is standardizing on: 800, 1800 and 2600MHz. Deutsche Telekom/T-Mobile is for example currently roling out a 1800 MHz network in 100 cities in Germany. Basically all LTE smartphones now headed for the European market support 800/1800/2600 MHz.
9. Re:frequency band? by danbob999 · 2012-09-11 06:27 · Score: 1
  
  The iPad 3 also supports the 1700 MHz (AWS) LTE band, or it wouldn't work in Canada (700 MHz wasn't auctionned yet).
  Changing supported bands isn't hard. Many manufacturers such as Samsung and HTC ships different products for differents countries and the only difference is the supported bands.
LTE? by jaweekes · 2012-09-11 01:53 · Score: 2

But is it 4G LTE (100mb/s) or actual 4G (1000mb/s)? I think it's LTE but nothing seems to specify which one it is.
1. Re:LTE? by Michael+Wardle · 2012-09-11 02:04 · Score: 1
  
  "We plan to... introduce fast 4G LTE mobile broadband services"
  http://everythingeverywhere.com/
2. Re:LTE? by squiggleslash · 2012-09-11 03:11 · Score: 2
  
  Where do you get "1000mb/s" for "4G"? And you do realize the "4G LTE" moniker merely means "We're actually running LTE, not HSPA+, to provide our fourth generation network", right? It has nothing to do with different versions of LTE.
  And yes, I'm aware there's some controversy on whether early versions of LTE count as "4G" (which is ridiculous, because 4G is not a synonym for IMT Advanced, and virtually everyone who pisses into that particular pool relies upon the assumption it is), but that's not what the "4G LTE" thing refers to.
  Here's the deal: LTE is a high throughput mobile network standard that supplies all services over IP. It's certainly next generation. LTE-Advanced is a tweaked version of LTE (which includes a necessary increase in data rate) to conform to IMT Advanced, the requirement list the ITU put together to define their next generation of networks. LTE Advanced absolutely conforms to IMT Advanced.
  Because early versions of LTE didn't quite reach IMT Advanced rates, an enhancement to UMTS, called HSPA+, was put forward as a legitimate alternative, as it reached similar data rates and it too could be run in an IP-only mode. That's what lead to the arguments, which lead Verizon and AT&T to start branding 4G and "4G LTE" as separate things.
  But that's it. "4G LTE" is not "a version of LTE that's not 4G", it's a branding that includes LTE in its basic next generation form, and LTE-Advanced.
  
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3. Re:LTE? by jaweekes · 2012-09-11 03:30 · Score: 1
  
  Sorry for my mistake. I got the numbers from http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4G using the peek download speed, and I used 1000mb/s instead of 1Gb/s to show the difference better.
  Here's the sections I based my "true 4G" comment on:
  Since the above mentioned first-release versions of Mobile WiMAX and LTE support much less than 1 Gbit/s peak bit rate, they are not fully IMT-Advanced compliant, but are often branded 4G by service providers. On December 6, 2010, ITU-R recognized that these two technologies, as well as other beyond-3G technologies that do not fulfill the IMT-Advanced requirements, could nevertheless be considered "4G", provided they represent forerunners to IMT-Advanced compliant versions and "a substantial level of improvement in performance and capabilities with respect to the initial third generation systems now deployed".
  After that I really don't give a @#$! since this is /. and everyone will say that the sky is brown to make someone else look like an idiot.
Blocked ports? by Bogtha · 2012-09-11 02:00 · Score: 1

T-Mobile block SIP, and if I remember correctly, Orange block SMTP that doesn't go through their mail servers. Does anybody know what the situation is with EE?

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1. Re:Blocked ports? by Gordonjcp · 2012-09-11 02:29 · Score: 3, Informative
  
  Orange block SMTP that goes through port 25 but not their mail servers; they will allow you to add email addresses to a list that will be passed through their system unmolested.
  Having spoken to Orange tech support, they were quite clear that port 25 was filtered, and that wasn't going to change. There was absolutely no way to get my mail sent on port 25 without passing through their servers. I thanked the tech support guy for his help, having spotted what he was saying between the lines.
  Here's a hint - these days, most people should be using SSL or TLS with SMTP...
2. Re:Blocked ports? by Anonymous Coward · 2012-09-11 02:54 · Score: 1
  
  Just to clarify (in case anybody asks), Orange also block Skype.
3. Re:Blocked ports? by tendrousbeastie · 2012-09-11 05:01 · Score: 1
  
  Vodafone block TLS for FTP (but not for SMTP oddly).
  I have to go through a VPN to connect to certain FTP servers.
4. Re:Blocked ports? by trigpoint · 2012-09-11 05:30 · Score: 1
  
  Just to clarify (in case anybody asks), Orange also block Skype.
  But T-Mobile don't. There is not yet an EE network, as far as I (as a T-Mobile customer) can see it is just a roaming at present. On my phone I can see which network I am using, internet conectivity seems to work better when connected to T-Mobile.
5. Re:Blocked ports? by OdinOdin_ · 2012-09-11 09:19 · Score: 1
  
  Well you should be using port 587 (with or without SSL via STARTTLS command). Maybe one day they will also block port 465 (for the same reasons as port 25). But I can't see them ever blocking 587 as one of the expectations of that port is that you must authenticate to send anything. I've seen some mobile devices default to port 587 already.
  Running a mail transport agent (i.e. a system that routes email like Sendmail or MS Exchange) on the end of a charagble per Mb network is a bad idea of everyone.
  The sender might incur high costs to themselves when they get their recent outbreak of malware on their portable device.
  The receiving email systems have no way to correctly identify the sender is genuine (i.e. not a spammer) or build a rapport with them. This is because mobile use of Internet is usually a via a one-way NAT from a dynamic/random IP. There are also no identying marks to relate one client to another. So in short you are a bad sender of email to a 3rd party that is looking to reduce their risk of SPAM.
  While I don't like the idea of such blocking. I can understand the reasons for it. It is best you send all your emails from the mobile device via a system with a static IP and an accountable systems administrator. That could be orange's mail service but it can also be a 3rd part SMTP service using STARTTLS on port 587 Orange won't stop you.
6. Re:Blocked ports? by Gordonjcp · 2012-09-11 18:56 · Score: 1
  
  Well yeah, exactly - this is what the tech support guy was "saying without saying".
  It's worth noting that they block outgoing 25 on ADSL too, presumably for the same reason. There are too many Windows machines still sitting there in people's houses hooked up to ADSL, and every one pumping out spam.
Re:Not the first by SimonTheSoundMan · 2012-09-11 02:12 · Score: 1

UK Broadband have been here operating in Birmingham for well over a year now and have been testing LTE Advanced.
Is EE using LTE or are they deploying LTE Advanced? A conference I attended a year ago O2 and Three were going to roll out LTE-A, they weren't too worried about the late spectrum auction as LTE-A was still in the lab at the time.
LTE == 4G Lite by tepples · 2012-09-11 02:26 · Score: 1

So in other words, it's the same "4G-Lite" that everyone else has. The common misreading is apt.
wait... by Captain.Abrecan · 2012-09-11 03:27 · Score: 1

I thought the spectrum for 4G hasn't been defined yet, meaning that technically it doesn't exist? This is the argument offered up for criticizing advertising previously; when we see 4G advertised everywhere here in the US, because it doesn't exist yet.