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8th Circuit Upholds $220,000 Verdict In Jammie Thomas Case

NewYorkCountryLawyer writes "The U.S. Court of Appeals for the 8th Circuit has upheld the initial jury verdict in the case against Jammie Thomas, Capitol Records v. Jammie Thomas-Rasset. This case was the first jury trial for a file-sharing suit brought by the major record labels, and focused on copyright infringement for 24 songs. The Court of Appeals has ruled that the award of $220,000, or $9250 per song, was not an unconstitutional violation of Due Process. The Court, in its 18-page decision (PDF), declined to reach the 'making available' issue, for procedural reasons."

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  1. Good Lord by Dr.+Sheldon+Cooper · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Having people who know nothing about technology make case law about technology is like having a Capuchin monkey fix the brakes on your car: cute and funny at first, but ultimately a bad idea that is also highly dangerous.

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    1. Re:Good Lord by man_of_mr_e · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This isn't a case of lack of knowledge of the technology. It's a case of the law being absurd, and the judges hands being tied. It's absurd that sharing a couple dozen songs can carry a greater liability than murdering someone (I'm talking civil law here).

      The punishment certainly does not fit the crime, but that law allows these kinds of damages.

      If you don't like it, lobby your lawmakers.

    2. Re:Good Lord by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 5, Insightful

      >If you don't like it, lobby your lawmakers.
      hahahahahahahahaha.......hahahahahahahahahaha.........hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha....

  2. It will not change anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    We will continue to share and the labels will learn their place.

  3. Statutory damages are devoid of all meaning by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Insightful

    From the Wikipedia article:

    1st civil jury trial Statutory damages of $222,000 ($9,250/song).
    2nd civil jury trial Statutory damages of $1,920,000 ($80,000/song).
    Remittitur Statutory damages reduced to $54,000 ($2,250/song).
    3rd civil jury trial Statutory damages of $1,500,000 ($62,500/song).
    Damages reduced Statutory damages reduced to $54,000 ($2,250/song).

    Seriously, statutory damages are a joke. The number is completely arbitrary and jumping around, seemingly randomly, from $54k to almost $2m. Isn't this a pretty good sign that things are FUBAR, and "statutory damages" is devoid of all meaning? The $150,000 statutory damages maximum (per infringement) was written into law with a very different context in mind than it's being applied to (industrial scale for-profit copyright infringement). These statutory damages seriously are completely defunct, yet copyright holders are exploiting them to no end. *We* as a society have provided *them* copyright to promote the *useful* arts and sciences. I think it's becoming very clear the art they are producing is no longer useful, but a determent to society. Perhaps *we* as a society should take those rights away, or at the very least severely curb them to avoid this utter nonsense.

    1. Re:Statutory damages are devoid of all meaning by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Sorry, forgot the best part... the fact that with the award at $222,000 they're exactly where they were 3 trials and 5 years ago: at an amount which will most likely *never* be paid in full. How many countless wasted hours or lawyers, judges, juries, court time and space have been spent on this, what amounts to realistically probably no more than $24 actual real damages to the record labels (song downloads).

      Again, sorry to reply to myself but this nonsense really gets me riled up, especially if you have a look at what the adult film industry is doing with copyright these days. If you're not aware, there's a massive nation-wide campaign going on where over 300,000 people have been sued so far in a grand perversion of technology and the justice system in efforts to extort multi-thousand dollar settlements. And this movement has its roots squarely in RIAA litigation tactics. See: http://fightcopyrighttrolls.com/

    2. Re:Statutory damages are devoid of all meaning by Missing.Matter · · Score: 5, Informative

      Punitive damages are fine and good, but these are not punitive damages; they are statutory. Punitive damages are designed to deter a law breaker whereas the statutory damages written into copyright law are designed to compensate the copyright holder as a proxy for actual damages in the case where they are unable to accurately prove actual damages. So, at face value this has fuckall to do with punitive damages. However the copyright holders are trying to use statutory damages (which 100% go to them) for a punitive purpose because the amounts, being so obscenely high, allow them to.

  4. Piracy = theft? by OldSport · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Industry shills are constantly trying to convince the public that piracy = theft, but punishments like this make it seem more like piracy = murder. In my home state, anyway, "a person convicted of the offense of retail theft of merchandise having a retail value not in excess of $100.00 shall be punished by a fine of not more than $300.00 or imprisonment for not more than six months, or both." Torrent the same CD, however, and you're out $150,000 ($10,000/song, assuming 15 songs on a CD).

    Note to potential downloaders: just steal the goods you want. You'll get off a lot lighter that way.

  5. Due process? by Hatta · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Due process is guaranteed by the 5th and 14th amendments. The problem with this case is excessive fines, prohibited by the 8th amendment. Why wasn't this an issue in this appeal?

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  6. Re:yikes! by dyingtolive · · Score: 5, Funny

    The terrorists have won.

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  7. My take by Zontar_Thing_From_Ve · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I've read in the past about her case and this is what I remember being her main problems.
    1) She had bottom of the barrel lawyers in all of her trials. If I remember correctly at one of the later trials she was actually represented by law school students who prior to the trial basically bragged that this case was going to be "easy" to win. Practicing law for real may just be a little tougher than it seems in class, boys.
    2) She has been perceived extremely negatively by juries, which has definitely led to the size of the judgements against her.
    3) She's been her own worst enemy when testifying, but that relates to #1 in large part. She lacks a credible excuse for her behavior and seemed to jurors to be a liar and trying to cover up what she did. That has worked heavily against her in reaching a verdict.
    4) She has consistently displayed an outsized ego and an erroneous belief that she can beat the charges by going to court when in fact she has probably had the weakest case of anyone to ever challenge the RIAA. I would call her delusional.

    In summary, she's got a terrible case and she's tried to win it on the cheap and the outcomes are predictable.

  8. Re:yikes! by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    He might have been modded troll because he's too gopddamned lazy (or perhaps ignorant) to use his shift key. I can see the logic of modding someone who writes unreadable prose "troll", although "overrated" would be better.

    Note to aliterates, illiterates, those who can't do homophones or know how to use an apostrophe: All your comments are overrated and I will mod them as such, and so will many other literates who chafe at reading uneducated tripe.

    This used to be a place where educated, intelligent people come. Looking like a hipster or a jock IS a troll on a nerd site; we're nerds, not jocks and hipsters. For instance, if your honest opinion is that science is useless, you're automatically a troll here, just as an honest opinion that there is no God on a Christian site is a troll, Medicare should die on an AARP site is a troll, and an opinion that sports are stupid on a jock site is a troll.

    So he and everybody else can take their hip "txtspk" and go somewhere else; they're not welcome. They are trolls. They need to go away and stop bothering those of us who read books once in a while.