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GAO Slams DHS Over BioWatch Biological Defense System

Mansing writes "Citizens need to evaluate if they are indeed safer for all the 'security precautions' put into place. 'The U.S. Department of Homeland Security has rushed to acquire a new, multibillion-dollar version of the BioWatch system for detecting biological attacks without establishing whether it was needed or would work, according to a new report by a nonpartisan investigative arm of Congress. ... The existing system's repeated false alarms have triggered tense, high-stakes deliberations over whether to order mass evacuations, distribute emergency medicines or shut down major venues.' Is this just more money funneled to U.S. companies, or is this really keeping the U.S. safer? Are the same types of 'security precautions' being instituted in Spain and the UK? Or is this preying on fear a uniquely U.S. phenomenon?"

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  1. America is being had... by CFBMoo1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm really looking forward to the day when America stops treating terrorists like terrorists and just treats them as common criminals. Then maybe this whole terrorist boogie man boondoggle can go away finally. It'd sure kill the romance of a terrorist as being something more then a common thug or crook.

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    1. Re:America is being had... by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      Don't hold your breath.

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    2. Re:America is being had... by ATMAvatar · · Score: 2

      Unfortunately, that will never happen. The reason for this is that our anti-terrorist watchdog gets more money and more power whenever it can convince the public at large that there is a terrorist around every corner willing to hurt or kill us. The DHS doesn't even have to ask for it - the public throws money at them and willingly sacrifices freedoms, all while screaming out "please keep us safe!"

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    3. Re:America is being had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You poor deluded chump.

      The whole "terrorist" bit is being used by the US government to control the US population.

      Read this quote several times until the truth finally sinks into your tiny little brain :

      "The people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same way in any country." - Hermann Goering

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    4. Re:America is being had... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Indeed ... if the Muslims want to start rioting and killing random people over the actions of a few Americans, then it's time to start bombing the fuck out of them in retaliation.

      Right, because the actions of others justify our own.

    5. Re:America is being had... by lexsird · · Score: 3, Informative

      There's been plenty of them come out, and sorry to disappoint your goofy ass, there wasn't any violence over them.

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    6. Re:America is being had... by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      If they want to have histrionics and violence, bomb them into dust. If [they] wants to be batshit crazy and violent, fine. But let's not pretend they're anything but that.

      Yea, fuck those damn fundamentalist Christians!

      Seriously, though, how in reason's name can anyone capable of cogent thought even entertain the idea that the actions of a small handful of people represent the entire demographic? A better question, how can someone make such a generalization without realizing that they're exhibiting the exact same behavior of those their criticizing? What, you think the difference between what you believe and what they believe somehow makes you a better person? It doesn't - hate is hate is hate.

      You're just as big a douche as the people you're accusing of being douches, and in the exact same way.

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    7. Re:America is being had... by slashmydots · · Score: 2

      Nope, judging them based on what their own religious text says. You know, about treating women, what to do about people who insult Muhammed, etc.

    8. Re:America is being had... by Urza9814 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There's plenty of things in Christian bibles as well about women being good little slaves for their husbands and killing all the non-believers...

      The problem isn't any specific religion; the problem is people who place religion above morality. And you'll find plenty of those in any religion. The world's certainly seen its share of Christian terrorists, for example...

      (And before you say it -- no, I'm not assuming you're Christian, that's just what I'm most familiar with. Of course, Christian/Muslim/Jewish are all sects of the same religion anyway IIRC so it makes sense they'd all encourage the same terrorist ideals. But I suspect other religions would as well. Though maybe not something like Buddhism...)

    9. Re:America is being had... by s.petry · · Score: 2

      You are very ignorant. Two fundamental teachings in Christianity are 1. Do unto others as you would have them do unto you, and 2. When someone strikes you, you need to turn the other cheek. Since these were the teachings of Jesus, they are considered the most important teachings in any Christian Religion. (The first having the name "The Golden Rule")

      Understand that the IRA was not acting out because their Religion told them too, it was because their Religion was being oppressed by the Government and that they were being persecuted by the "State" Religion.

      You should really try and understand that the fundamental difference between Islam and Christianity is that Islam teaches aggression toward anyone that is not a follower of Islam. Christians are taught to teach, not strike. I'm guessing that you will pretend not to see the difference to continue your ignorant speech but perhaps you will prove me wrong.

      The majority of Christians are pacifist. This is why people can opt to be not bound to combat roles in the Military (and have been able to do so for a very long time, at least WW II but perhaps even WW I. The crusades ended quite a while ago. Since then, there have been faults for sure, but Christianity in general has not pushed for dominance by violence since. A very small sect, perhaps but by no means is it a majority.

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  2. Where do I sign up? by stevegee58 · · Score: 4, Funny

    I want to provide DHS with multibillion dollar systems too.

  3. DHS by O('_')O_Bush · · Score: 2

    Typical of the DHS. A bureau of people who don't know what they are doing, and doing it loudly and expensively. DHs is constantly fighting with DoD and NSA for control of the cybersecurity initiatives, from the only people in gov't who know anything about or have experience in that area. And when they didn't get what they wanted, they decided to make redundant and less efficient/useful groups than the DoD.

    DHS is analogous to a two year old. "I don't wanna share! Mommy but I want a new toy! My daddy can beat up your daddy!" And the rest of gov't has to put up with it.

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  4. DHS is here to stay by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 2

    DHS exists because It's a great way to dump US tax dollars into privatized money machines. It's hear to stay, voting or not.

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    1. Re:DHS is here to stay by Jawnn · · Score: 4, Insightful

      DHS exists because It's a great way to dump US tax dollars into privatized money machines. It's hear to stay, voting or not.

      That doesn't sound like the thinking of a good citizen. We may have to look into your background, finances, social network activity, phone records, etc. Wrong thinking is punishable, you know. Besides, it's unpatriotic to question the Department of Fatherland..., erm, Homeland Security.

  5. bad handling but bad situation by slashmydots · · Score: 2

    I'm the first one to say the gov is wasting money, especially the military or the DHS but if your system is constantly going off and causing that much of a nightmare and it's that far beyond totally not working, they have to do something and immediately. If there was a better alternative immediately available, they would have chosen it. If you want some heads to roll, find out who bought and tested the first system.

  6. Re:All you need to know by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Generally, yes. But the prospect of having an "objective" computer giving out false positives all the time to keep the terror alive is the fulfillment of at least part of the DHS mission statement.

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  7. Crony capitalism and security theatre by Hatta · · Score: 5, Interesting

    That's all the TSA is. Since the implementation of gate rape, more people have been driving instead of flying. Since driving is more dangerous than flying, this has lead to an increase in deaths on the road. Specifially, 1,200 deaths per year can be attributed to the TSA, and that was the estimate in 2005. I can only imagine it's gotten worse since then.

    What this means, if you add up the numbers is that Janet Napolitano is responsible for more American deaths than Osama Bin Laden ever was. We are literally ruled by terrorists.

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    1. Re:Crony capitalism and security theatre by ColoradoAuthor · · Score: 2

      No, according to the cited article, 1,200 deaths per year (initially, then declining year to year) occurred because of more people driving rather than flying "attributable to the effect of 9/11."

      "Two primary reasons explain the 9/11 effect on road fatalities. First, the 9/11 effect may capture the fear of flying. ... Second, the 9/11 effect may be attributable to the inconvenience of flying post-9/11" [page 9 of the paper]. The authors were unable to measure these two factors independently. I think it would be reasonable to say that for most people, the choice to drive rather than fly was due primarily to a fear of terrorism (for which security theater might arguably be a solution). Only for a small but savvy minority was the choice to drive due to the TSA itself.

    2. Re:Crony capitalism and security theatre by khallow · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think it would be reasonable to say that for most people, the choice to drive rather than fly was due primarily to a fear of terrorism (for which security theater might arguably be a solution).

      I disagree. There's nothing reasonable about having an opinion without any evidence to support that opinion. We need to keep in mind, for example, that people who are scared of flying due to terrorists, would probably have found some other reason to be scared of flying, if terrorists weren't available.

      And we also need to keep in mind that there really is a significant penalty to security theater. Not just the discomfort and uncertainty of the actual search, but also the fact that one has to show up an hour earlier in order to take a flight. Adding an hour to travel time changes the economics of air flight significantly. A lot of flights are rather short.

    3. Re:Crony capitalism and security theatre by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Specifially, 1,200 deaths per year can be attributed to the TSA

      Sorry, but that's just sensationalism and spin, and it misstates what the paper concludes.

      The paper you cite says that the 1,200 lives that were lost between 9/11/01 and 2003 "can be attributed solely to the reaction to 9/11," of which the TSA is only a part of, such as fear of flying, fear of terrorism, unemployment, airline ticket prices, and such.

      I loathe the TSA as much as the next /.er but misrepresenting facts just weakens your arguments.

  8. Sneaky... by Type44Q · · Score: 3, Funny

    Is this just more money funneled to U.S. companies

    This is a trick question, right? :)

  9. It's the nature of government by camg188 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Or is this preying on fear a uniquely U.S. phenomenon?"

    I think this is a case of a government department trying to grow.
    A business leader will try to grow their business by increasing profits through more sales or greater efficiency. That's the nature of business.
    A government department will try to grow by increasing their budget or sphere of influence, which usually means regulations. That's just the nature of government.

  10. Truly a shame by vlm · · Score: 2

    Biowatch is a fascinating scientific tool that should be funded, should be deployed, should be scientifically incredibly valuable, and could do enormous good for all mankind.

    The disaster is using it as a FUD weapon to scare people into paying more taxes, giving up civil rights, creating a culture of fear, terrorizing our own people for fun and profit.

    The disaster is much like what would happen is the Hubble were launched and instead of being used for cool science research, was used to keep the population terrified of an invasion from Mars. "We must watch mars intently, awaiting the day of invasion and the resulting destruction, (btw please send us money)"

    Another analogy... like using a calculus textbook as a club to beat people to death... is that really the "best" use you have for it?

    Its really quite sickening to see what could have been a cool scientific instrument being used as a brutal weapon of terror against our own innocent civilian population.

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  11. Distant Early Warning parallel by fotoguzzi · · Score: 2

    This reminds me of the early days when nuclear strike warnings were really caused by signals bouncing off the moon. I think there were other false positives in those days, too.

    Now, perhaps 1) things have improved and life is safer, or 2) there are just as many false positives as in the 1950s, or 3) they have just turned the system off and will wait for positive reports before deciding what to do. In fifty years, the above may be applicable to bio-terror monitoring.

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  12. A strange thing I noticed... by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 5, Interesting

    When I was travelling to a conference in the States, I couldn't help but notice how... pervasive paranoia was. I was travelling with a Metra train to Chicago downtown, and there were stickers everywhere how you should report strange behaviour, announecements over speakers to "say if you see", help the dogs who are sniffing for explosives, and so on.

    There is basically nothing like that in Europe. I wonder if it's just a different in mindset, or are the companies/government pushing that hard to make people feel afraid?

    1. Re:A strange thing I noticed... by n0tWorthy · · Score: 4, Informative

      Yeah, I lived in England during the IRA bombings and they never reacted as scared as this. 9/11 is when America went from "Home of the Brave" to "Home of the afraid". It was used as a government power grab of our individual rights and freedoms in the name of security. It was the beginning of the "Forever War".

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    2. Re:A strange thing I noticed... by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 2

      I certainly didn't say it's a utopia, we have our own set of issues. But you sound so butt-hurt I think we are doing something right. :)

    3. Re:A strange thing I noticed... by Urza9814 · · Score: 2

      As an American -- I think it's partly a mindset thing, but mostly a government imposed fear thing. Conformity through fear. Makes the catt--err, people a lot easier to manage.

      Of course, I also had to chuckle a bit while reading your post...because that's basically what I thought when I traveled to London a couple years back. Maybe not _paranoia_, but the surveillance was extremely unnerving for me. Always a couple cops in sight, coupled with clusters of security cameras on every street corner, and blanketing the tube stations, coupled with a constant blaring of muffled loudspeakers...felt like I'd stepped into 1984. I mean I dislike NYC because of the traffic and a rather heavy and brutal police presence, but I'd still pick that over London any day. NYC is just difficult; London was downright _creepy_. Of course, I'd rather just not be in a city...or maybe Pittsburgh or Providence....

    4. Re:A strange thing I noticed... by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 2

      That's quite interesting, thanks! I haven't been to London in 16 years. Didn't used to be so monitored back then. That said, when I went to Tianjin (China) this year, there were also policemen everywhere. I didn't quite mind - I mind my own business, they mind theirs - but the constant CCTV surveillance would make me uneasy. Kind of hoping that one remains another odd UK-only thing.

  13. bin Laden is winning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    What you folks aren't realizing is that even though he is dead, bin Laden is still winning this war.

    His stated aim was never to be able to beat down the United States in a military or conventional war. Even he knew there was no force outside the United States that could do that. The only way to destroy the United States was to create a set of conditions where it would destroy itself and the best way to do that would be to create havoc in its economy. What's happened since the 9/11 attacks and a few other minor events? The US has taken part in a ongoing military action in several countries in the middle east that have cost it hundreds of billions. It's instituted internal measures to counter "terrorism" on its home soil that have cost more hundreds of billions. In an attempt to make everything seem all right, it fostered a false economic boom that finally crashed and put the country on shaky ground economically. Citizens are now encouraged to report each other if they seem to be acting in a suspicious or covert manner. (Could be they are planning to blow something up. Could be they are planning a surprise birthday party. It doesn't matter, it's all suspicious.) And, because the government doesn't learn from its mistakes, this process just keeps on growing. The US is facing yet another credit cap crisis that either hits the wall and reduces the government and the services it provides drastically or gets elevated again creating an even more likely worse event sometime in the future.

    bin Laden is winning and you don't even know it. The measures to counter terrorism have already been mentioned earlier in this thread. Quit considering terrorists as some special class of criminal. Their actions are no different than any other kind of criminal and can be prosecuted under normal criminal law, murder of various degrees, illegal weapons use or movement, false accounting practices to fund their operations. All these things are just normal criminal activities if you remove the stigma of the label terrorist.

    The most damning thing about the situation right now is the dichotomy between FEMA and the FBI. FEMA promotes emergency preparedness, stockpiling food, water, other supplies, cash (in case the electronic transaction system fails) while at the same time these actions are labeled by the FBI as indicators that someone is a potential terrorist.

    You all best get ready to see the United States break apart into a smaller set of unions or independent countries. The larger entity is just about at the end of its rope. Of course, if you look back you might find that the founding fathers never really considered the United States as being a single country from sea to sea. There were plans to foster an independent sister (or brother, for the patriarchal minded among us) state on the west coast. In hindsight, it might have been a good idea; having someone about who could cuff your ears every once in a while when you start acting stupid.

    1. Re:bin Laden is winning by future+assassin · · Score: 2

      bin Laden is winning and you don't even know it. .

      Actually a LOT of people know but they don't know how to fix it as the gov just doesn't listen to its citizens. The governments know that if the people are in debt not enough will take days off work a chance to protest as they can't afford to. Now you have a new generation of people who can't think about organizing a movement outside of social media.

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  14. Auto-imune disease by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I suspect that what we are seeing here is analogous to what happens when children are raised in a "too clean" environment. The body's immune system needs to be kept occupied with low-level threats which happens when kids play outside in a real environment filled with various germs. When over protective parents keep children away from the outside world in a cleaner / protected environment, there is a much increased risk that their immune systems, evolved to attack something, will begin to attack the children's own bodies. Diseases such as asthma, where the immune system over reacts to non-threats are the result.

    Similarly Homeland Security seems to be doing more damage the the American people than the threats it was ( allegedly ) created to defend against.

    1. Re:Auto-imune disease by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 2

      A good analogy, but I think the issue is more complex than just being used to safety (being "too clean"). The crux is that after decades of scientific and medical advances, there are massive sociological changes. I mean, consider: not so long ago, the families used to keep the dead in the house for a few days, holding vigil. Well, at least, where I live. Death wasn't such an exceptional happening, it was a way more common occourence. Nowdays the average lifespan is way longer, so death has become rare. People don't "experience" it happening around them, and they don't know how to handle it. Even talking about dying is often taboo as people try to avoid thinking about it. It has transformed into something almost incomprehensible.

      This is why terrorists attacks result in higher and higher histeria in my opinion: the more uneasy death makes people, the greater impact the news of a deadly event will have on them, especially if they feel they could have been there. I blame this on our society's inability to mentally handle this issue.

  15. Re:All you need to know by Dr_Barnowl · · Score: 2

    the fulfillment of at least part of the DHS mission statement.

    .. which is to keep the fear level up so you can justify multi-billion dollar purchases in the name of security... it's just one big snake eating it's tail.

  16. Re:Only 37 False Positives out of 7 Million by ravenlord_hun · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is, if a positive result can mean closing highways, evacuating people and alerting every emergency service to start whatever plan they have drafted up, even a single false result is unacceptable. The same way you wouldn't want NORAD to randomly order nukes launched at someone just because there was a one-in-a-million glitch...

  17. For everything else there is the terrroist card by toriver · · Score: 3, Funny

    Buying hugely expensive gear without any reseach into actual need or competition for the contract: $billions
    Costs to businesses and the public purse because of false alarms: $millions
    Constructing post-facto justifications for the purchase and deployment: priceless.

    There are some things tax money can buy. For everything else, there is "the terrorist card".