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Huge Diamond Deposits Revealed In Russia
An anonymous reader writes with this excerpt from the Christian Science Monitor: "'Russia has just declassified news that will shake world gem markets to their core: the discovery of a vast new diamond field containing 'trillions of carats,' enough to supply global markets for another 3,000 years. The Soviets discovered the bonanza back in the 1970s beneath a 35-million-year-old, 62-mile diameter asteroid crater in eastern Siberia known as Popigai Astroblem. They decided to keep it secret, and not to exploit it, apparently because the USSR's huge diamond operations at Mirny, in Yakutia, were already producing immense profits in what was then a tightly controlled world market."
I remember learning about DeBeers and having this bit of information come up at some point.... lots of people in Russia dying mysterious deaths surrounding the topic of diamonds in Russia.
Diamonds are fairly plentiful and common. That they are expensive and considered valuable is marketing... or racketeering... whatever you want to call it.
If Russia can help it, not at all.
please let this drop diamond prices down to what they should be and force deBeers to find other ways to earn money like flipping burgers or whatever they have where they are
Reading through TFA it sounds like these are industrial quality diamonds rather than the sparkly, clear, goes on a ring type. Still a big find though.
Unlike Gold, or even many other gemstones which have a rarity that enhances value? Diamonds are only of spectacular value, when they achieve very large carat size, without flaws or inclusions.
But there's a mystique , deliberately crafted, to conflate the value of a 2-carat Zales engagement ring with something like the Koh-i-noor.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
We've known about this for years. All the fucking diamonds are radioactive as hell.
Graphite field + meteor impact = nuclear diamonds.
Still waiting on Serviscope_minor to wake up to fucking reality and realize that Jessica Price isn't going to fuck him.
Nope. The price of diamonds is completely artificial, agreed upon by all the suppliers and does not reflect their actual value or supply availability. It's the biggest case of non-penalized price fixing in the history of the world.
I am curious if there's going to be a huge diamond down there... I'm assuming that they formed from the pressure created by the impact...
Bow before me, for I am root.
Diamonds are common as dirt.
"Flyin' in just a sweet place,
Never been known to fail..."
There has long, long been a rumor that DeBeers will never open an "official" office in the US..
What are we going to do tonight Brain?
According to Wikipedia graphite in an 8.5 mile radius of the impact was turned into diamond due to impact pressure.
So the USSR was financially strangled during the Cold War by low oil prices while at the same time they had these diamond deposits?
This was my first thought, as my girlfriend knows to expect something shiny in the relatively near future
Ya, girls, like fish, like shiny things, so might I suggest a two-fer: silver or gold?
Let me know how it turns out :-)
It must have been something you assimilated. . . .
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What is this "wife" of which you speak?
Knowledge is how to play a game, intelligence is how to win, wisdom is knowing what game to play.
Here is an informative article, a must-read if you're interested in diamonds. It's old (written in 1982) but everything still applies. In fact it's amazing that the public still hasn't gotten wise to the diamond racket in the 30 years since the article.
http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-you-ever-tried-to-sell-a-diamond/304575/1/?google_editors_picks=true
A peer reviewed paper describing the occurrence is here (paywalled):
http://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1111/j.1945-5100.1998.tb01639.x/abstract
The diamonds are ~0.2-0.5mm, elongate or tabular layered grains. They are sometimes colorless but often are yellow, grey, or black. Rarely there are diamonds which reach 10mm found in the alluvial gravel.
If the deposit is as rich as the article claims it looks like an excellent source for industrial diamonds, although given how fractured they are it won't change the gem diamond market much.
Yeah it's almost like someone decided to put a funny pattern on some paper, cut it up into small rectangles, and declare it worth something. Can you imagine people accepting something like that?! A completely artificially-restricted supply of controlled by one organization! What next, they arrest people who try and print their own!?
In seriousness, there is no value beyond consensus. Gold is not any more intrinsically valuable than diamonds (or fiat currency!); people simply agree to trade a certain amount of one thing (paper, bank balance, etc) for it. This is why people pay for BitCoins (and other virtual goods), why currency fluctuates, and in essence, how the economy works.
(The malleability of gold and other arguments of function are entirely irrelevant; people always agree on value for some reason, from "I have too much money and I felt like it," to "I need it for my research." Reason is a constant, and one reason is not inherently better or more valid than another.)
Don't think of it as a flame---it's more like an argument that does 3d6 fire damage
Forgive my ignorance but I thought diamond was a defined crystal lattice structure. How can it be "twice as hard" if it is a diamond? Is this another naturally occurring state of carbon that should be called something else?
There are diamond reserves in the older regions of Africa and North America. It is not surprising that there are diamonds in the centre of Asia as well. The geology is similar. Basically what you need is an area with very old rock that hasn't been hugely disturbed by geological processes. The Canadian Shield contains 3 to 4 billion year old rock, and I believe there are also areas with similar rocks in both central Africa and central Asia. Diamonds can be found in areas with rocks with ages more than 2.5 billion years. I think this is because the kimberlite pipes that bring them to the surface only happened that long ago, though I'm not absolutely sure of this. Once deposited by those pipes, the diamonds remain at or near the surface, where they can be mined.
This and no other is the root from which a tyrant springs; when first he appears as a protector - Plato (423 to 327 BC)
"It's the biggest case of non-penalized price fixing in the history of the world."
It would be interesting to see whether OPEC price fixing cost the world more than this cartel. I have a sneaking suspicion it would win hands down.
The four C's. Cut, Color, Clarity, and Carat Weight. Cut is an artificial item, so let's focus on Color, Clarity and Carat. Of all the diamonds found in nature, what percentage of them are valuable to the consumer market? Low grade yellows and industrial diamonds are in fact dirt cheap by comparison.
BTW, I'm married. I don't discount the fact there is pricing fixing going on, I just questions the natural ratio of quality diamonds that we all know and love (or she does anyways)
Life is not for the lazy.
The price of the diamonds may go down, but the amount of money you are required to spend on your wife to demonstrate your love for her will remain fixed. Bigger diamond, more diamonds, platinum band, all these options are open to her to make sure you don't spend less on her than she expects. And she expects
you to spend enough on her that you notice the cost. Not enough to cause resentment, but enough to delay discretionary and hobby purchases for yourself for anything up to year or so, depending on the occasion (e.g. an eternity ring).
This will elevate her status amongst her peers, confirming to them and her family that she made the right choice in a lifetime mate: someone who has the financial wherewithal to make these purchases and someone who has an emotional attachment to her that's strong enough to actually do it. It will also increase her financial self-worth, giving her something she can personally contribute to the family (at high emotional cost) in times of great need, or something of intrinsic and emotional value she can hand on to favoured descendants. At worst, she can flog it off if you separate.
Buy these things for her, and be happy with your lot. With luck, you may get a blowjob on your birthday.
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
De Beers presently sets their price at roughly that of the price to have one manufactured by Gemesis.
Two of my imaginary friends reproduced once
DeBeers had an office in the US. They used to own the diamond mine down in Arkansas. But due to the Apartheid thing, and the price fixing, they were forced out, and on the way out they dynamited the diamond mine rather than leave an operation working mine. Almost all the diamonds coming out of Diamond Crater are gem quality. The Star of Arkansas came from there. A beautiful colored diamond.
50.25% of us are wise to it. Only the other 49.75% matter.
The four C's. Cut, Color, Clarity, and Carat Weight. Cut is an artificial item, so let's focus on Color, Clarity and Carat. Of all the diamonds found in nature, what percentage of them are valuable to the consumer market? Low grade yellows and industrial diamonds are in fact dirt cheap by comparison.
BTW, I'm married. I don't discount the fact there is pricing fixing going on, I just questions the natural ratio of quality diamonds that we all know and love (or she does anyways)
There's not much to question. It's pretty well known that De Beers had kept prices artificially high. And if that wasn't enough, now you see retailers charging premiums for shitty brown diamonds because they are now calling them "chocolate". Or yellow ones "canary yellow". They're made from carbon. I'd say that carbon heat and pressure are pretty plentiful on earth. I never thought about it, but I was pretty pissed off when I learned that diamonds will burn just like coal would in a fire.
In fact a CVD-grown diamond can be far superior to any natural stone you could ever find - with potentially zero inclusions or other defects. In fact if not for the laser-inscribed serial number on them the only way they could be distinguished from natural diamonds is that they are "too perfect"
As a bonus instead of funneling money into an abusive cartel you'll be supporting an industry which hopes to eventually be able to produce bulk laboratory-grade diamonds of arbitrary size, allowing the creation of things like diamond-based microprocessors which would be impossible with even the least-flawed natural stones (diamond is a dopeable electric insulator and an *incredible* thermal conductor, making it ideal for high-performance semiconductors)
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That article is an excerpt from Epstein's book The Diamon Invention, which is available in full online on the author's website. It's an amazing read.
Diamonds, tennis-bracelets, rings, necklaces, whatever.
If marketing-men tell the women that men need to buy these to "prove" their "love", they can live off the labor of those enslaved by their little scheme.
When I see diamonds, its obvious that these things are absolutely useless for anything but some rather esoteric applications, which would demand the perfection of a manufactured diamond, or a run of the mill abrasive.
If its glittery jewelry, go for the optical stuff - it can be manufactured much cheaper than trying to find them in nature. Hell, so is a Coke bottle.
Why aren't women as enthused over a gift of carborundum? Marketing.
Its much like religion, where microphone-men hock up all sorts of stuff about demonstrating one's faith while passing the plate.
Marketing heads tell us to work our a** off and give them the nectar of our efforts, and we - being the obedient sheeple we are - obey.
The marketing head gets rich while the rest of us try to earn a wage.
DeBeers gets rich by convincing men that they have to be paid before we can get access to women's heavenly parts.
And we pay. And pay. And pay. We are sooooo dumb!.
Intersting to bring in "blood diamonds" to the story. It's a way to control lots of diamonds not controlled by De Beers by having the public avoid them. Note that Zaire which was listed in the end of the article as a possible threat to the cartel is now a part of the Kimberly process and its diamonds are not "blood diamonds" despite the civil wars that occurred while many were mined. How much of this is real, how much is influenced by De Beers, and how much is fabricated?
Use a grandmother's diamond ring instead of a new one. Buy one at a pawn shop. Get a sapphire or emerald or ruby. Buying a new diamond would be succumbing to the world's most successful advertising campaign.
DeBeers had an office in the US. They used to own the diamond mine [craterofdi...tepark.com] down in Arkansas. But due to the Apartheid thing, and the price fixing, they were forced out, and on the way out they dynamited the diamond mine rather than leave an operation working mine. Almost all the diamonds coming out of Diamond Crater are gem quality. The Star of Arkansas came from there. A beautiful colored diamond.
Nowhere in the site link you provided was DeBeers mentioned. In fact, there is no "mine" in the traditional sense of a hole in the ground. The area sits atop a kimberlite pipe; the area is continually turned over to expose new material. I've been there several times; it's nothing more than a large mud field (when wet) or furrowed hardpack (when dry).
Good god man, what you describe is refered to as a "gold digger". Seriously, you don't have to buy women, but if you really think it is necassary then a hooker is far, far, cheaper than a gold digger.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
I have resisted the little suggestions for an eternity ring ("what, has it been that long already?") and my observations are based on other women, not my saint of a wife. We even went cheap on the wedding (and proud of it!).
When they came for the communists, I said "He's next door. Take him away. Goddam commies."
Buy these things for her, and be happy with your lot. With luck, you may get a blowjob on your birthday.
You know, being north American has it's draw backs. Absurd materialistic expectations from wives don't really have anything to do with love and marriage. I call myself lucky to be European. EU women -and men- tend to be a little less on the money.
(Besides that, I admire the USA for the research and business culture that brought prosperity to many parts of the world.)
I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
DeBeers gets rich by convincing men that they have to be paid before we can get access to women's heavenly parts.
Would it not be the women who are being convinced? I mean otherwise it wouldn't matter.
Tell that to Minecraft players..
No they don't. http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/1982/02/have-you-ever-tried-to-sell-a-diamond/304575/
Short version: If you try to *sell* diamonds, you quickly discover they're now worth a fraction of what they where "worth" when you where the buyer. This is true to some degree with everything ofcourse, but to a much larger degree with diamonds than with other valuables such as precious metals.
3.1. Announce it woldwide and start frenetically building extraction mines
3.2. Watch the prices of diamonds tumble while you build the extraction mines due to other providers making sellout contracts to insure buyers
3.3. Buy an shitload of diamonds at reduced price and demolish the extraction mines
4. sell the diamonds once prices get restored for a profit
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Well, 'meme' was coined in The Selfish Gene, published 1976. I think the 'meme' meme postdates the 'Soviet Russia' meme.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Synthetic_diamond/
We've been able to grow diamonds (real diamonds, not substitute materials) since 1954.
do they have to be my remains?
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