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Meet Two Security Researchers Apple Hates (Video)

Posted by Roblimo on from the my-exploits-are-better-than-yours dept.

This video is a half-hour speech given by Dino Dai Zovi and Charlie Miller, two people Apple corporately hates because of their success in finding security holes in Apple operating systems and software. Both Charlie and Dino have been mentioned on Slashdot before and probably will be again. This is a chance to see how they sound and look in person, talking to a small "by invitation only" group. They have a book to push, too: The iOS Hacker's Handbook. (Please note that this book is supposed to help you secure iOS and iOS apps, not exploit security holes in them.)

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  1. Silly and inflammatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Seriously... why the inflammatory headline? other than creating link bait. Why would Apple hate them? They're doing the R&D on security for them...

    1. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      "Why would Apple hate them"
      uh, maybe because Apple likes to keep any of its security issues quiet rather than watch these two guys publicly expose iPhone issues the way the entire open-source Android developer community does for Android Phones. What these two guys are doing is contrary to the walled-garden business model that is Apples creed.

    2. Re:Silly and inflammatory by interkin3tic · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Yes, because he did so without their permission and violated the ToS. That hardly means they hate him. Only a moron would think that someone is just going to welcome you with open arms when you do stuff they explicitly didn't approve.

      Gasp! He violated the sacred ToS and revealed to the world that apple's walled garden isn't going to keep out all malware?!? NO!!!! It was perfect before, he obviously broke it! BURN HIM!!!

      Only a moronic company would punish someone for pointing out a security problem to them. The lesson Apple appears to have been trying to teach Charlie is that the next time he discovers a security hole in the app store, he should sell that information to criminals.

    3. Re:Silly and inflammatory by Americano · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Only a moronic company would punish someone for pointing out a security problem to them.

      You do realize that Google banned him for life, whereas Apple only banned him for a year... right?

      May we safely conclude that you hate Google and their products with the fiery intensity of a thousand supernovas, given your screed about Apple?

    4. Re:Silly and inflammatory by BasilBrush · · Score: 2, Insightful

      No, as I said, it's amazing how reasonable you have become now we find out Google issued a bigger ban than Apple did. It's a shame your original post was littered with shouting and multiple exclamation marks and sarcasm, and you didn't show your reasonable side from the outset.

      Now, just for fun, given that this is the very same security researcher, can you give me an example of what he could have done that would make Google's lifetime ban for him and his wife reasonable. (In the light of a 1 year ban for breaking ToS being unreasonable.)

  2. Apple should love them by ackthpt · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Even go so far as to pay them. Finding these holes should be done before harm happens. Futher, Apple should review their coders who leave the gaps in and train (or sack) them.

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