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No Smiles At NJ Motor Vehicle Commission

Reader Presto Vivace blesses us with news that the state of New Jersey "has banned motorists from making big smiles [for their license pictures] because such expressions don't work with facial recognition software." Now that passports are by decree grim and glasses-free, I'm expecting the next phase to involve the banning of facial hair, lips, and any hair that blocks the ears.

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  1. Smiling foold facial recognition? by KatchooNJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    So... To flip this... does that mean if I smile when doing something naughty, I won't be recognized by the serious computers?

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    1. Re:Smiling foold facial recognition? by Firehed · · Score: 5, Funny

      Cue the Joker references.

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  2. No smiles in Ohio by Geoffrey.landis · · Score: 5, Informative

    That's not new. No smiles in Ohio, either-- I renewed my license over a year ago, and was quite firmly instructed that smiles were not allowed in drivers license photos because it screws up the facial recognition software.

    http://news.cnet.com/8301-17852_3-10249834-71.html
    http://www.autoblog.com/2009/05/27/states-adopting-no-smiles-policy-for-drivers-licenses/
    http://www.webanswers.com/legal/why-can-t-you-smile-in-your-drivers-license-picture-84ffba

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    1. Re:No smiles in Ohio by fearlezz · · Score: 4, Funny

      Nor the Netherlands. Seems politicians want to wipe every single smile of our faces.

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    2. Re:No smiles in Ohio by Immerman · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Actually I don't think the software even "sees" glasses, they don't affect the control point recognition, but glasses can throw human-powered facial recognition off, and it's a lot easier for an official to ask you to remove your glasses when confirming your identity than to have you wear the same style as in your photo if you've changed them or are wearing contacts. Also glasses and flash photography don't get along all that well (glare hides your eyes), and do you really want *another* reason for the barely competent person at the DMV to spend three hours trying to do something simple for the person in front of you?

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    3. Re:No smiles in Ohio by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I work as an engineer in ohio for the company behind all this and can tell you facial recognition never works anyhow.

    4. Re:No smiles in Ohio by The+Grim+Reefer · · Score: 4, Funny

      It's been almost two years since I renewed my license in Virginia too. What's even funnier is that the guy ahead of me had a tee shirt on with Bob Marley on it. The print of Bob smiling on the shirt screwed up the camera (or operator) somehow. After several attempts they made him turn his shirt inside-out.

    5. Re:No smiles in Ohio by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 5, Funny

      I renewed my license over a year ago, and was quite firmly instructed that smiles were not allowed in drivers license photos because it screws up the facial recognition software.

      That means you have to smile while driving. :-)

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    6. Re:No smiles in Ohio by J'raxis · · Score: 4, Interesting

      You could always move to a state that doesn't engage in such privacy invasions, such as New Hampshire. Here, you can actually check off a box on the license application form requiring them to not even store your photo in their database.

      The New Hampshire Legislature also prohibited its DMV from implementing the federal "Real ID" program which is what's driving a lot of this crap. The state also prohibits its agencies and localities from implementing red light cameras, license plate readers, &c., too.

  3. How to troll the DMV, from G4TV by Rakarra · · Score: 4, Funny

    Picture link. Simple effective fun!
    The result: The finished license.

  4. Re:Next step by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting
  5. Re:I smiled for my NJ license by kidgenius · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Just come live in AZ. We don't have to renew our licenses until we are 65. Keep your picture for 40+ years.

  6. Glasses free? by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Informative

    Now that passports are by decree grim and glasses-free

    Yeah...no. That's simply untrue. I went into the post office to get my passport photo taken last month and they didn't have me remove my glasses, nor did the Department of State seem to have any issues with my wearing them in my photo, since I just received my new passport last week.

    I think I read that there are some rules against a few particular types of glasses that obscure too much of the face (e.g. chunky frames), but they had no issues with my standard looking thin frames.

  7. Validation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Interesting

    This is a great story. And yes, it's on topic for the OP. Take time to watch it all the way through.
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Cbk980jV7Ao

  8. Re:Smile! by DanTheStone · · Score: 4, Informative

    The facial recognition software isn't really to compare with your photos in public, it's primarily so that can check within the system whether you're getting licenses issued for yourself under different names.

    Evidence:
    http://www.publicopiniononline.com/latestnews/ci_21247064/penndot-computer-catches-fake-id-attempt
    http://bismarcktribune.com/news/local/facial-recognition-software-used-by-dot/article_dd7d0f7e-dcde-11e1-a6a0-001a4bcf887a.html

  9. Re:thanks for the info by PRMan · · Score: 5, Funny

    Don't lie. Nobody smiles in NJ, because it's NJ...

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  10. Re:Smile! by DanTheStone · · Score: 4, Informative

    Apparently the first link is broken now, but here's some text that was there: "A man has been charged with trying to get an identification card from the Pennsylvania DOT under a name not his own. PennDOT's facial recognition computer program discovered the discrepancy. Jose Alejandro Velazquez-Rodriguez, 29, was charged with tampering with public records or information. He attempted to get a Pennsylvania identification card with the name of Steven Huerta sometime between July 16 and 27 at the DMV office in Gettysburg."

  11. Re:I smiled for my NJ license by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Yeah but when I tried they deported me to Mexico for not having ID... I tried to tell them I was Puerto Rican and born in the US but the Sherif was a real dick about it.

  12. Re:Smile! by tompaulco · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Well, who says they can use my driver's license photo to do facial recognition on? I didn't sign up for that.

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  13. Try adopting by Charliemopps · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I adopted my son from Ethiopia a few years ago and had to go to a Homeland security office a few hours away from me for an entire day to fill out paperwork and get every single finger, and even my palms printed. Then they took pictures of me from every angle imaginable. I told the homeland security agent "Well I guess going off the grid won't be an option anymore" he laughed and said "Yea, you're definitely in the system now"

    On the bright side, I went to buy a handgun recently and the store owner called in my background check to the FBI. He gave them my SS# and then said "Oh... really? Already?" and hung up. He said that what usually happens is they research it and call him back. He's never had them just approve it over the phone in a matter of seconds like that. So I guess when the government has already logged every cell in your body already there are at least some benefits.

  14. Re:thanks for the info by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

    NJ = No Joysey?

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  15. Re:thanks for the info by CanHasDIY · · Score: 4, Interesting

    going to be smiling big time when i get my next ID.

    Easy fix (sort of).

    Just refuse to apply for state ID or driver's licenses.

    Yup, and lose your ability to drive, vote, have access to government buildings and services...

    Not being arch, just pointing out facts.

    If 100's of thousands or millions of drivers refuse to apply for licenses and drive anyway, are they going to shut down the streets and roads? Arrest a large proportion of the entire state's population?

    Nah, they'll just turn it into another revenue-generation mechanism and continue pounding our collective asses, just from a different angle.

    I'm sick and tired of this emerging police state. You're *far* more likely to be struck by lightning or be attacked by sharks than to be killed by a terrorist attack.

    Well, now, that all depends on your definition of terrorism - if we go by the dictionary, then a person actually is far more likely to be harmed by a terrorist than struck by lightning. The catch is, said terrorist will likely be wearing a government-issued uniform, and be imbued with authority by whatever fascist regime is in charge at the time.

    Yet the sheep continue to baa for more and rush to hand over ever more of their freedom, give the terrorists in government ever more power to enslave them, and fork over ever more of the people's wealth to pay for the chains.

    Strat

    Yup, it's truly sickening. Also a good part of the reason I always want to punch anyone who pops off with "you get the government you deserve." No, motherfucker, I get stuck the government you deserve, 'cuz you (collectively speaking) are a bunch of self-centered pussies, too scared of your own shadow to stand up for yourself and your neighbors.

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  16. Re:Smile! by amiga3D · · Score: 3, Insightful

    When you think of it, with things like the Boston tea party and other disruption, I'm sure all the founding father's would be branded terrorists today.