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Flatlining User Base May Spell End of RIM

Meshach writes "There is an article in the Globe and Mail that says that the user base for Blackberry has stopped growing for the first time in the company's history, and speculates that this is the beginning of the end of RIM. The main problem seems to be that RIM's new Blackberry models like the Bold and Torch are selling poorly, and their production costs are much higher than other products manufactured in China. A recent research report says that after BB10 the company will need to sell or drastically change its business model."

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  1. Re:RIM's Main Problem by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I think it's safe to say he's a troll. The combination of the user name "AndroidLover" with the actual post pretending that Android doesn't exist and that WP7, of all things, is a major force in the market is... implausible.

  2. Beginning by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    THIS is the beginning of the end of RIM?

    It began a long time ago...

  3. Re:RIM's Main Problem by Ironhandx · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Don't forget that Android devices are ridiculously easy to lock down and set up with full encryption. There are actually companies out there whose entire business is doing just that for the corporate use scenario.

    Its so stupidly easy to integrate Android with all of their existing email and even internal messaging apps(most of which are written in Java and trivially ported to native) that it beggars belief that they would consider much of anything else.

    iPhone doesn't allow the kind of direct control that Corporate security demands, and WP7 has such a low penetration that no one is asking for it anyways. Android, even though there could definitely be better solutions, is currently the only real choice for corporate america. The worker drones get something that does everything an iPhone does(in some cases does it better, in some cases worse, but the important things are roughly the same, except for the GPS nav on android is much better) and they get their security.

  4. RIM is already dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why certain companies don't just die quickly, instead of going through long pains.
    Is there any doubt still, that RIM is dead?
    Heck, it was dead 5 years ago.

    1. Re:RIM is already dead by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      RIM was hardly dead 5 years ago. Android wasn't out 5 years ago, it didn't come out until 2008. 5 years ago the iPhone was just coming out and it was hardly a business ready device. Do you remember the state of Palm phones and Windows Phone 5 years ago? I doubt it.

      I really enjoyed my BlackBerry 5 years ago, it was an impressive device. Heck I enjoyed my BlackBerry 10 years ago. RIM was on top of the world. Shame its basically the same thing they sell today. Arrogance, ignorance, whatever their failing was. They're done today. Had they done something good 2 years ago, maybe a different story, but 2 years is a long time in this market.

  5. Alternatively by thePowerOfGrayskull · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Alternatively RIM has all but stopped creating new legacy phones, and anyone who *is* interested (at least in the north american market) is pretty much waiting for BB10 devices at this point.

    Financials are out this week; it'll be interesting to see if global growth did actually stop.

  6. Re:Then why are they recruiting? by Aqualung812 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Because the people closest to the situation have decided to leave.

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  7. Re:RIM's Main Problem by LordLimecat · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Don't forget that Android devices are ridiculously easy to lock down and set up with full encryption....

    is currently the only real choice for corporate america.

    Correct me if I am wrong, but you need to get a third party product to manage that centrally (would be interested to hear how youre doing it if not). Blackberries are STILL a good choice for corp america, if you really care about security.

    You really cant compare Android's email security to BES's; Android can be tricked into disclosing email with ANY legit-signed SSL cert with the proper FQDN-- even if it was issued by the DOD or one of China's authorities. You CANNOT fool BES devices in the same way-- you must either crack the AES encryption on a per-device basis, or grab all the per-device keys from the server.

    I get the whole "Oh noes BES is dying" thing, but they still have superior management, and they still have superior security. Perhaps thats not what is in vogue, and failing to adapt will kill BES, but lets not go overboard by comparing Android security to Blackberry.

  8. Re:RIM's Main Problem by 93+Escort+Wagon · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would you think the IT people had any real input into this decision?

    Last time Microsoft made an aggressive push to counter Apple et. al. in the workplace, they didn't target us lowly peons - they wined and dined presidents and CEOs. I recall several Microsoft-centric directives, a few years ago, coming from the office of our university's president regarding things like setting up a campus-wide Exchange service; they came roughly six months after our central IT department announced we were moving campus mail to Google Apps.

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