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Supreme Court Won't Hear Body-Scanner Appeal

stevegee58 writes "After a long string of legal setbacks, the case brought by Jonathan Corbett challenging TSA's use of full body scanners and enhanced pat-downs has come to an end. Today the Supreme Court declined to hear the case, so current TSA practices will stand. The TSA started allowing the use of the advanced imaging technology in October 2010."

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  1. well, by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    god damn it!

    1. Re:well, by ganjadude · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I hate to say it but I kind of figured that nothing would come of it. It seems the same thing always happens.

      step one - enact something that pisses off damn near everyone

      Tell the angry mob that you will look into it and something will be done

      quietly drop it when the mass forgets about it because OHHHH SHINEY!

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    2. Re:well, by pdabbadabba · · Score: 3, Informative

      From what I've read, there's really nothing to see here. The original suit was dismissed because it was filed in the wrong court. It was filed in FL district court when the law requires that it be brought before the DC Circuit or the circuit in which he resides (he resides in Michigan). But instead of just bringing his suit in the correct court, he has simply appealed the dismissal all the way up to the supreme court. Of course SCOTUS didn't take it; the lower courts were obviously correct.

    3. Re:well, by tsaoutofourpants · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hello, filer of the lawsuit here. There's perhaps a little bit more to read than what you've read... the first page of my SCOTUS petition or 11th Circuit appellate brief would have cleared things up. :) The brief summary is that my lawsuit was filed in District Court quite intentionally: District Court is the only federal court that has a trial by jury, as well as discovery and witnesses as-of-right. After filing, the TSA invoked a law that was not designed to send challenges to agency "orders" to the US Court of Appeals. The idea behind the law is that some administrative agencies have proceedings with administrative law judges that legitimately should be challenged in the appeals courts. For example, if you try to bring a knife on a plane, the TSA has administrative law judges to assess a civil penalty against you, and you can appeal that decision to the appeals court. However, the TSA has now successfully argued that ANYTHING THEY WRITE DOWN CONSTITUTES AN "ORDER" THAT CANNOT BE THE SUBJECT OF A JURY TRIAL. Think about that for a second: the gatekeepers of our constitutional rights are supposed to be *the people*. Instead, it is now a group of men that are appointed by the President, who happens to be the guy who appoints the head of the TSA who started this mess. My fight against the TSA will continue on in the appeals court, which is the only good news here. You may read more at: http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/10/01/supreme-court-declines-to-consider-whether-nude-body-scanners-deserve-a-trial/

    4. Re:well, by pdabbadabba · · Score: 5, Informative

      Hi there, thanks for replying. I am a lawyer, so I should probably refrain from commenting on the merits of your case too specifically for fear of accidentally giving "legal advice."

      I'll just say/ask these few things:

      1) It remains the case that the matter on appeal to the Supreme Court was the jurisdictional question, not the merits of your complaint (and the complaints of many others) against the TSA.

      2) Regardless of what court you brought suit in, it was always going to be a judge who resolved legal questions like, say, whether TSA's procedures were unconstitutional. A jury would only be tasked with factual questions like figuring out, if it were disputed, what TSA's procedures actually were.

      3) Do you have plans to refile in the 6th or DC Circuit?

      4) Good luck on your lawsuit.

      (It goes without saying, but I'll say it anyway: I am a lawyer, but I am not your lawyer. I know not nearly enough about you or your case to provide you advice that you could rely on. I am also not admitted to the bar in your jurisdiction so I couldn't be your lawyer even if I wanted to.)

    5. Re:well, by tsaoutofourpants · · Score: 5, Informative

      Thank you, and you're quite welcome! There's a donate button on my blog: http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/ I'm considering trying Kickstarter/Indygogo, but for now, just PayPal. :) --Jon

    6. Re:well, by tsaoutofourpants · · Score: 5, Informative

      0) It's ok... I don't accept legal advice from strangers anyway. ;) 1) Yes. 2) Yes, but there are many questions of fact. For example, are the scanners effective (since effectiveness is a part of the balancing test in deciding if a search is reasonable)? See my video on that: http://tsaoutofourpants.wordpress.com/2012/03/06/1b-of-nude-body-scanners-made-worthless-by-blog-how-anyone-can-get-anything-past-the-tsas-nude-body-scanners/ 3) 11th Circuit. The wires have mistakenly reported me as a Michigan resident since I used a Michigan mailing address on court documents. I live in Miami Beach, FL. 4) Thank you. :)

    7. Re:well, by pdabbadabba · · Score: 4, Informative

      Ah. I just answered my own question (or, rather, the 11th circuit did):

      Finally, under 28 U.S.C. 2347, we may: (1) remand a proceeding to an agency to hold a hearing where one is required by law, (2) transfer certain cases to a district court, or (3) order an agency to take additional evidence and counterevidence. Id. 2347(b)(1), (3), (c).

    8. Re:well, by tsaoutofourpants · · Score: 5, Informative

      Indeed, although the TSA will argue that that particular law doesn't apply to orders under s. 46110. Stay tuned for that fight.

    9. Re:well, by tsaoutofourpants · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Examining the junk" of an adult, or photographing the same naked, isn't traditionally a lawful governmental objective either. But it becomes more obvious how wrong it is when you think of the children, elderly, handicapped, breast cancer survivors, rape survivors, etc., that have to deal with this nonsense.

    10. Re:well, by anomaly256 · · Score: 3

      I wonder what would happen if *everyone* refuses to go through the scanners or be patted down. See, people only have as much power over you as you let them have. The problem is that the majority of people let them have this power without a second thought

  2. Checks and Balances by danbert8 · · Score: 5, Funny

    About as useful as the Constitution for determining what is allowed by the government...

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    1. Re:Checks and Balances by IgnoramusMaximus · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Actually the "process" is the primary method by which powerful tyrants deny justice to meaningless peasants.

      He was supposed to file in DC wasn't he? Why exactly? Does the court in Florida belong to a different nation? The moon was in an incorrect astral sign? Wind was coming from the wrong compass point?

      When he files in DC (at his own expense of course and on his own time - but I am sure everyone gets many days free time fully paid from his/her job to proudly challenge an entire multi-trillion dollar agency in any state of the agency's choosing) he will promptly find out that while DC was the correct court, the "process" requires him to wait 2 years for a decision, which will be that he "does not have standing" (being a mere peasant) or that he is "not a party" (not being a member of the government) etc and so on.

      Due process my ass.

      The whole point of this exercise is the pretense that average citizens have any say whatsoever in what the government or other wealthy powers do to them. The US courts have been rubber-stamping the aristocracy's decisions for a long time now, all the while creating ever more byzantine "process" in order to insure that the lower classes have to jump through so many hoops as to make participation of anyone without 40 lawyers and 100 paralegals pointless.

      The beauty of this system is that technically everyone can participate but in practice only the very wealthy can do so effectively. And bonus: more byzantine the rules, higher paid and numerous becomes the priesthood that attends to them: the lawyers.

      Everyone wins, well except the average peon who gets to pay for this fun in more ways than one.

  3. Re:One thing is missing: by Mashiki · · Score: 5, Informative

    Via drudge:
    http://www.contracostatimes.com/politics-government/ci_21672132/supreme-court-wont-hear-cases-body-scanners-gay?source=rss
      The Supreme Court won't hear a Michigan man's attempt to challenge the use of full body scanners at airports.

    The high court on Monday refused to hear an appeal by Jonathan Corbett, who wanted to challenge the Transportation Security Administration's use of full body scanners and/or enhanced pat downs at airport security lines. Federal courts in Florida refused to hear his lawsuit, saying it could only be filed with the federal appeals court in Washington, D.C. The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals upheld the dismissal, and the Supreme Court refused to reopen the case.

    The TSA started allowing the use of the advanced imaging technology in October 2010.

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  4. Re:One thing is missing: by ichthus · · Score: 4, Funny

    ...and, pick up that can!

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  5. Re:One thing is missing: by ichimunki · · Score: 4, Insightful

    They declined because he filed in Florida, not DC. That's pretty simple. So the next step is to file in what is apparently the proper venue. This isn't like they're upholding the law or judging the case on merits... although I'd bet if they wanted to hear the case, they would figure out some loophole to get past the bureaucratic BS, rather than forcing the process back to nearly square one.

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  6. This is a Sign... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    That extensive exercising of the 2nd Amendment will be required to turn back the encroachment upon our liberties.

  7. Slightly off topic..but.. by SuperCharlie · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Seems like laws and bills and crap should logically go through the Supreme Court *before* being enacted.. This passing laws which are unconstitutional and then having them in effect for years and years until they finally make it to be judged *while they are still enforcing them* seems pretty stupid from the whipped persons point of view. Yea yea yea.. it would take years to pass crap and the backlog would be crippling.. and you say that like its a bad thing...

    1. Re:Slightly off topic..but.. by dkleinsc · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Seems like laws and bills and crap should logically go through the Supreme Court *before* being enacted.

      So you want to give veto power to 5 unelected people who have a lifetime term of office? I understand the instincts, but this seems like a really bad idea.

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    2. Re:Slightly off topic..but.. by Aryden · · Score: 4, Informative

      Executive branch creates laws

      Civics 101: Legislative branch creates laws. Executive branch enforces laws. Except where executive orders are in play.

  8. Re:One thing is missing: by pdabbadabba · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are correct. There is nothing more to it than that. The case number (on appeal to the 11th Circuit, at least) appears to be 11-cv-12426. Here is the 11th Circuit's opinion itself which makes things pretty clear: http://law.justia.com/cases/federal/appellate-courts/ca11/11-12426/11-12426-2012-02-27.html

  9. time to face facts by nimbius · · Score: 4, Insightful

    and conclude that had the supreme court heard the issue, it would probably have just ruled in favour of the government.
    and had it ruled against the government, the TSA and cur->administration() would have ignored it.

    The best option at this point is to select "alternative screening" whenever you go through the airport. Refuse the private screening as this only benefits the TSA by allowing it to hide the dissent against this technology. Avoid engaging in smalltalk, even if solicited, during the pat down. I generally stand tall, and fix my vision into the crowd of passengers entering screening.

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  10. Re:One thing is missing: by Yakasha · · Score: 4, Informative

    I still have the same question as Elbart. There isn't anything that says why they declined to hear the case?

    SCOTUS gets 1000s of cases every year. They can't review them all. So, they defer to the lower courts unless the lower courts can't figure it out for themselves (i.e., different circuits give conflicting rulings).

    For SCOTUS to take this, most likely multiple suits need to be filed in different districts and at least 2 of them need to hear the case and rule differently.

    The issue is effectively DOA in the courts. But lucky for us, November 6th is approaching fairly rapidly. Fix it there.

    Since Obama clearly supports the Fed's illegal activities, and Romney no doubt does too, you're left with 1 option: vote 3rd party.

    3rd party is not a wasted vote. Federal election laws revolve around a party gaining 5% of the popular vote in the previous election. We only recognize two parties because only those two parties have ever had 5% of the votes!

    If you're curious, Ross Perot picked up 18% in 1992, but officially ran as an Independent, preventing his Reform party from benefiting in 1996.

  11. Legal Barriers Aside by ohnocitizen · · Score: 4, Interesting

    There may have been a legitimate reason for refusing to hear the case, though with the current makeup of the court there is no reason to suspect their hearing the case would have gone well.

    Instead let's take this as an impetus to get serious about tackling the TSA's abusive methods.

    PR: Publicly boycott air travel as much as possible. When you do travel, avoid airports with the scanners, and opt for public pat down screenings as much as possible if you must use those airports. Do this to slow down the lines, and to let other passengers see you (and thus dampen their enthusiasm for flying). Take out ads in local papers and targeted ads online attacking the TSA and its methods. Promote and share videos and stories that illustrate these abuses.

    Legislation: Call your congress critters and let them know how you feel about the TSA. Work to make the TSA a featured issue in the campaigns you can vote in. Get in touch with the lobbyists who represent businesses dependent on air travel (especially airlines), and get them to fight the TSA for economic reasons.

    Good luck!

  12. Re:One thing is missing: by OverTheGeicoE · · Score: 5, Informative

    The plaintiff was hoping to get a jury trial in the district court. All suits regarding TSA in the DC circuit court go straight to appeals, meaning no jury trial is possible there. This is the same court that has been so deferential to DHS in the EPIC suit on the same topic. The plaintiff seemed to think a jury would be more receptive to his arguments.

    Is another suit in the DC court worth the trouble? If not, then Mr. Corbett has been about as effective as Jesse Ventura was in his suit.

  13. Security at the courts by tgd · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I think, in the best interest of the safety and security of the Supreme Court judges, its probably best they require everyone -- including the judges -- to use the full body scanners to enter the Supreme Court building.

    As a pinnacle of our republic, not taking its security seriously is an insult to the institution of the Supreme Court and the United States of America.

  14. Re:One thing is missing: by tsaoutofourpants · · Score: 5, Informative

    > Is another suit in the DC court worth the trouble? I give that an emphatic, "hell yes." --Mr. Corbett :)

  15. Re:One thing is missing: by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 3

    Voting 3rd party also greatly influences the positions of the 2 main parties who don't want to lose to each other. If you lose an election by 5%, but a 3rd party got 5% of the vote, it's very likely that taking up the 3rd party position will help the next time around.

  16. Re:One thing is missing: by tsaoutofourpants · · Score: 4, Informative

    Please read http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=3156341&cid=41515905 -- not a fuckup, but an intentional decision. I am pro se, although about a dozen members of state bars, including Jesse Ventura's awesome legal team, made the same decision in their similar suits.

  17. Simple by Safety+Cap · · Score: 3, Funny

    I'd bet if they wanted to hear the case, they would figure out some loophole to get past the bureaucratic BS,

    Just tell Thomas, Scalia and Alito that they can't get their daily "newsletter of best-of images" culled from the scanners until they hear the case.

    That sucker'll be fast-tracked so fast someone's robe will burst into flames.

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