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Verizon Tech Given 4-year Federal Prison Sentence For $4.5M Equipment Scam

McGruber writes "Michael Baxter, the network engineer at the southeastern regional headquarters of Verizon Wireless who submitted hundreds of fraudulent service requests to Cisco, has been sentenced to four years in federal prison, followed by three years of supervised release. Baxter was also ordered to pay $2.3 million in restitution to Cisco Systems, and $462,828 in restitution to Verizon. Instead of placing the replacement parts into service in the Verizon Wireless network, Baxter took the parts home and sold them to third-party re-sellers for his own profit. He used the money to buy cars, jewelry and multiple cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend."

163 comments

  1. What kind of prison? First? by Cutting_Crew · · Score: 1, Funny

    a white collar or pound me in the a$$ prison?

    1. Re:What kind of prison? First? by couchslug · · Score: 0, Troll

      It's Federal, so "white collar". Four years is a chickenshit sentence.

      If he'd held up a convenience store he could easily have gotten 7 mandatory or more.

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    2. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      You don't know anything about federal prison. Some of them can be brutal.

    3. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Threatening someone else's life at gunpoint in 60 seconds is completely different than stealing $2.8 mil over the span of a decade.
      But I think you're seeing in terms of theft of $20 vs. $2.8 mil.

      I think terrorizing someone else is worth at least several thousand dollars in therapy. For some people it takes years to trust another human being again. Others never recover. But if you're a tough guy, you can carry on like it's no big deal. For Sprint and Cisco, $2.8 mil is a drop in their financial bucket.

    4. Re:What kind of prison? First? by fustakrakich · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If he'd held up a convenience store he could easily have gotten 7 mandatory or more

      If he had been the company president and a big political contributor, some poor tech way down the ladder would be facing charges instead. If he was a higher up at Goldman Sachs, he would be given a cabinet position at the white house.

      The guy committed fraud, hardly worth locking him up. Just take his property and garnish his income for the rest of his life, or until the money is paid back.

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    5. Re:What kind of prison? First? by mcgrew · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Federal != "white collar". Minimum security == "white collar". My friend's brother got a ten year sentence in Federal prison for loaning money to a dope dealer (as did half his HS graduating class; dealer got busted and set up everyone he knew whether or not they'd ever had anything to do with drugs, dope dealer spent 2 year in Club Fed). Mike's brother was out in five years, and his life was completely ruined. He was a diesel mechanic who worked on big rigs, but of course lost his job. His wife met another man while he was in prison and divorced him. So he's now unemployable and single with few prospects of ever having another woman.

      "Chickenshit sentence"? I hope I've left you a little less ignorant.

    6. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I've heard the argument made and I disagree. Yes, threatening someone with a weapon causes some very real emotional distress, but of the people I know have been through a robbery in most cases it was so quick that beyond the initial moment of shock it's not something that affects their day to day lives. These "harmless" white collar crimes that involve millions of dollars have the power not only to affect far more than just one person, but to put them through years of anguish. One robbery might scare a clerk shitless for 10 minutes, one mortgage scammer can affect thousands of people, destroy their health, end their marriages, and put their families on the street without ever seeing the victim face to face. At least most robberies are committed out of desperation rather than a sense of greed and entitlement.

    7. Re:What kind of prison? First? by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful

      but of the people I know have been through a robbery in most cases it was so quick that beyond the initial moment of shock it's not something that affects their day to day lives

      You're experiencing selection bias. It's hard to meet people who have been killed in robberies.

      If you cause a violent confrontation, there is real risk someone gets seriously hurt or killed. They could certainly be injured in a manner that costs society far more than $2.8 million in medical treatment costs over the life of the victim.

      If you steal some equipment, there's a financial loss, but no one is going to get hurt.

      Discouraging people from creating violent situations is far more important than discouraging people from stealing from companies with insufficient controls.

      I'm far more worried about a guy who might point a gun at my head when I'm trying to pick up some milk than I am a guy who is going to steal some hardware when I'm not looking.

    8. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As usual, an AC has one of the better comment.

    9. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm intrigued. Any more info on this obvious case of law enforcement creating their own criminals to bust?

    10. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But the AC is stupid. His comparison is nothing like stealing Cisco gear. Stealing a family's mortgage indeed would fall within the realm of "things that can seriously affect psychological health", like a robbery. raehl has the best comment here.

    11. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

      It's easy to see at the extremes.

      Imagine a world with twice as much property theft and zero violence. Imagine a world with twice the violence and zero property theft.

      Which would you rather live in?

    12. Re:What kind of prison? First? by wisnoskij · · Score: 1

      Well prison is mostly for violent crimes. So that sentence makes sense to me.

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    13. Re:What kind of prison? First? by TFAFalcon · · Score: 2

      Agree fully. Why put people like this in jail? Put them in indentured servitude instead. He could be put to work in a homeless shelter, making minimum wage. That way he can pay for his own upkeep AND be a benefit for society.

    14. Re:What kind of prison? First? by operagost · · Score: 1

      Because no one ever actually gets hurt in a robbery.

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    15. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Khashishi · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If you steal money, you can be ordered to pay restitution. (Granted, I doubt Baxter will be able to pay that kind of fine.) If you kill someone, you can't unkill them.

    16. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      they already have that, it's called community service

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    17. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      **woosh** - yes they do already have that. yes, it is called community service. and yes, that's exactly what is being said - make him work in a homeless shelter.

      Except, more a life sentence of community service, instead of the whatever-many hours a judge would typically prescribe.

    18. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Charliemopps · · Score: 2

      and drug possession. Don't forget that. In fact, you'd get more time for having 10lbs of pot on you than you would for murder. Average time served for murder is less than 7yrs.

    19. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm far more worried about a guy who might point a gun at my head when I'm trying to pick up some milk than I am a guy who is going to steal some hardware when I'm not looking.

      I'm worried about both: they're both antisocial behaviors, and both have significant societal costs.

    20. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why make him work somewhere for minimum wage? - that is stupidly inefficient. He should be made to work somewhere for the maximum his skills can demand - so that the debt he owes can be repaid sooner. The quicker the repayment, the less harm the theft will cause.

    21. Re:What kind of prison? First? by djl4570 · · Score: 1

      http://www.bop.gov/iloc2/LocateInmate.jsp doesn't have him listed yet. He probably has some specified amount of time to surrender to authorities.

    22. Re:What kind of prison? First? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You have to be joking, and either way it is not the robbers fault if someone is so sensitive that 60 seconds with a complete stranger who never touches them can lead to permanent psychological damage; They were going to live a horrible life no matter what.

      You have obviously never had a gun pointed in your face and truly believed you were going to die. I have... it affects you, and those 60 seconds don't seem so short when you think any one of them could be your last. I don't know if I would say permanent damage, but it sure as fuck can change the course of your life.

    23. Re:What kind of prison? First? by raehl · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I'll take zero violence and double property theft any day of the week.

      You can always buy more stuff. Death is permanent.

    24. Re:What kind of prison? First? by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      Instead of arguing about fictitious examples you made up in your head, why not argue with what actually happened. The guy stole parts from routers and switches from a big "faceless" corporation. To give you an example I know of a similar case where "a guy I know" had to order a bunch of new PCs for a new office. The PCs came way over spec'd for the job required, so the PCs were "downgraded" to a reasonable spec one night when they in the storeroom. The end result was that the hard working IT guys had a big piss-up for free, and the business carried on as normal. You see, sometimes (just sometimes) there is no victim :)

    25. Re:What kind of prison? First? by shiftless · · Score: 0

      If you cause a violent confrontation, there is real risk someone gets seriously hurt or killed. They could certainly be injured in a manner that costs society far more than $2.8 million in medical treatment costs over the life of the victim.

      Especially if it was me being robbed, because I'm not handing over my fucking wallet to some lowlife thug. He'd better be willing to die for it, because I sure am.

    26. Re:What kind of prison? First? by shiftless · · Score: 0

      I'd rather see twice the violence and zero property theft. I'd love for some stupid mother fucker to get violent with me and give me a good excuse to end him. Nothing pisses me off more though than having shit stolen.

    27. Re:What kind of prison? First? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      People who have been burgled are often severely traumatised too. If a member of your family steals from you, it can destroy your trust in other human beings . And so on.

      It is very dangerous to start labelling some crimes as victimless.

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    28. Re:What kind of prison? First? by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      There are a lot of shades of grey between the white of perfect innocence and the black of deliberate evil..

      Punching someone in the stomach and taking a few quid in cash may be hugely less damaging than stealing all their money in a fraud and bankrupting them

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    29. Re:What kind of prison? First? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "never recover [from an armed robbery]"

      You have to be joking, and either way it is not the robbers fault if someone is so sensitive that 60 seconds with a complete stranger who never touches them can lead to permanent psychological damage; They were going to live a horrible life no matter what.

      Quite how anyone who is capable of turning on a computer, connecting to the internet, setting up a slashdot account, and writing in sentences can be so moronic is hard to fathom.

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    30. Re:What kind of prison? First? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The end result was that the hard working IT guys had a big piss-up for free

      You appear to have misspelled "self-entitled, dishonest fuckbags"

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    31. Re:What kind of prison? First? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Agree fully. Why put people like this in jail? Put them in indentured servitude instead. He could be put to work in a homeless shelter, making minimum wage. That way he can pay for his own upkeep AND be a benefit for society.

      You could say the same for any criminal. Even violent criminals like murderers could be allowed to avoid jail by doing useful work instead, as long as they were closely monitored.

      It's amusing here on slashdot how as soon as a crime becomes computer related, everyone starts getting all "there but for the grace of God go I" prison-reformy, where otherwise it's all about shooting the perps dead like rabid dogs.

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    32. Re:What kind of prison? First? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Woosh to you I would say. GP is making the point that, yes, we do indeed have non-jail alternatives to punishing crime, it's just that anyone who recommends them is branded as soft on crime, over-liberal, and so on.

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    33. Re:What kind of prison? First? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Why make him work somewhere for minimum wage? - that is stupidly inefficient. He should be made to work somewhere for the maximum his skills can demand - so that the debt he owes can be repaid sooner. The quicker the repayment, the less harm the theft will cause.

      Er, I think the idea is that the criminal only gets minimum wage and the excess is used to pay off the debt. Obviously, if the guy is living in society he has to have some money for food, shelter, clothes etc. I think what you would actually do is work out the bare minimum needed and give him that at a flat rate each week, with no extra for entertainment or whatever.

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    34. Re:What kind of prison? First? by TFAFalcon · · Score: 1

      It's not possible for a violent criminal to 'return' the health/life of the people they harm. And their crimes are much easier to repeat 'on a whim'. Imagine how much monitoring would be needed to protect society from a violent criminal, compared to protecting it from a fraudster.
      A fraudster requires trust to defraud people, and wearing an ankle monitor and having police monitor all your communications would seriously cut the chances of committing it, and make it nearly impossible to benefit from it - all your finances would be monitored until your debt is paid, so having a stash of money in the caymans won't help you.

    35. Re:What kind of prison? First? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      prison-reformy

      :-) I like that. But I think that some of us recognize that prison serves a legitimate purpose of isolating truly dangerous people from the rest. And even then, the prisoner should be treated humanely. You don't have to give them cable TV, but they should be allowed a clean blanket and edible food. Locking up non-violent people is punitive.. nothing but revenge. I have no respect for that. Neither should you.

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    36. Re:What kind of prison? First? by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      Wouldn't the company have saved money by order the lower spec'd computers in the first place?

    37. Re:What kind of prison? First? by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      If he only receives minimum wage won't he more like to partake in criminal activities to supplement his income?

    38. Re:What kind of prison? First? by couchslug · · Score: 1

      The victims of Enron were subjected to considerable pain, suffering, and destitution.

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    39. Re:What kind of prison? First? by hairyfish · · Score: 1

      Yes. But sometimes Managers don't listen to their Engineers. Apparently it has more to do with making sure the budget is spent than any actual best fit solution.

  2. Company Liable? by Bigby · · Score: 5, Informative

    So when an employee does something great using the company's resources, the company gets the money. But when an employee does something illegal on the company resources, the company doesn't suffer?

    I understand that guy getting something. But Cisco should be suing Verizon, not the person. Verizon would then sue their former employee.

    1. Re:Company Liable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This is theft and fraud which makes it a criminal case, not a civil issue.

    2. Re:Company Liable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Cisco isn't suing anyone. This schmuck was prosecuted under Federal Wire Fraud charges. The fines constitute restitution.

    3. Re:Company Liable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What makes you think that Verizon has not paid Cisco for the losses they incurred?

      Also, if Cisco sues Verizon, there is a good change they might lose Verizon as a customer. Would you still recommend it? I have no love for Verizon, but even I can see that in this case they do not deserve much blame.

    4. Re:Company Liable? by bigwheel · · Score: 1

      According to the linked Slashdot article, Verizon had no way of knowing, and wasn't seeing any of the money. The guy was using Verizon's resources to scam Cisco.

      'The service requests were fraudulent in that no parts needed to be replaced, and instead of placing the replacement parts into service in Verizon Wireless network, Baxter simply took them home and sold them to third-party re-sellers for his own profit.'"

    5. Re:Company Liable? by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      So when an employee does something great using the company's resources, the company gets the money.

      His employer didn't really get the money in this case. If the employee had sold the equipment and then given all the profits to his employer, so that his employer could give him a raise or a promotion, then yes, you probably would have a point.

      Or if the employer prevents you from investigating the case properly by blocking you every step of the way, then yes, then you sue the employer, you sue everybody who doesn't cooperate, this will then force people to turn on each other.

      Personally in this case, I'd sue the girlfriend to try to recover from her, since she's the one who received most of the profits and the gifts from the stolen property (even if she didn't know it was stolen), but then I don't know how civil law would work in that case (assuming it can't be proven that she was an accomplice, if it can be proven that she was an accomplice, then this point would be moot anyway).

    6. Re:Company Liable? by jmerlin · · Score: 5, Funny

      Listen man, it could've been much worse. He could've pirated some music or a movie, too. He'd have 20 years in prison and owe $50,000,000.

      Sounds to me like he got off pretty easy.

    7. Re:Company Liable? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So when an employee does something great using the company's resources, the company gets the money. But when an employee does something illegal on the company resources, the company doesn't suffer?

      That's an interesting point. I'm reminded of the inventor of the blue LED who won $8.1 Million from his former employer as Japanese law requires companies to reward such exceptional performance. Obviously we can't take the opposite approach, where "just following orders" becomes a defense, but our law does seem to favor corporations both ways in this regard. Maybe Japan is onto something...

    8. Re:Company Liable? by MrEricSir · · Score: 2, Funny

      Could have gone better too -- if he'd only set his sights a little higher he could have gotten a job on Wall Street.

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    9. Re:Company Liable? by khallow · · Score: 1

      But when an employee does something illegal on the company resources, the company doesn't suffer?

      What makes you think Verizon isn't suffering from the use of its resources?

      I understand that guy getting something. But Cisco should be suing Verizon, not the person. Verizon would then sue their former employee.

      Why? What's Verizon's part in this? I gather you are claiming that since Verizon resources were misappropriated as part of the scam, it somehow generates responsibility for the resulting crime. I can think of a simple example that illustrates the absurdity of this claim. If I rob a 7-11 (say even I was an employee who used my job to gather information for planning the crime) and use the funds I obtained to buy a gun, does the 7-11 business become partly liable for any future crimes I commit with that gun? No.

      And why doesn't this work for governments as well? I'm sure that government funded transportation systems (not to mention all the other systems and regulations that enable crime, if only by defining it as a crime in the first place!) all over the world have enabled all sorts of crime sprees. When are those governments going to cough up money for their liability.

    10. Re:Company Liable? by Bigby · · Score: 1

      In the eyes of the law, the company should be prosecuted under Federal Wire Fraud charges...not the person. The person is just an agent of the company. The company can then try a civil suit against the person.

    11. Re:Company Liable? by Bigby · · Score: 1

      A crime committed by a company. So Verizon should be charged. Just like anything the person does that is good within the company is owned by the company...anything he does bad should be owned by the company.

  3. Crime pays by Smartcowboy · · Score: 3, Informative

    He is a living proof that crime pays.

    He got millions of dollars and a great lifestyle for years and now he basicaly got free home and free meals for a number of years.

    1. Re:Crime pays by tgeek · · Score: 2

      . . . and probably will get conjugal visits from his cosmetically enhanced girlriend!

    2. Re:Crime pays by spire3661 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Id rather be poor and free. 4 years of life is a very long time to me.

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    3. Re:Crime pays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you think prison and the free home and free meals are so great you know it's pretty easy to get yourself a piece of that action. Feel free to commit a crime and get a free home and free meals.

    4. Re:Crime pays by Penguinisto · · Score: 1

      I suspect that with "good behavior" and prison overcrowding, he could be out on parole in as little as 18 months ...now how he intends to feed himself and make a living after that is another question entirely.

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    5. Re:Crime pays by Ironhandx · · Score: 2

      He scammed 45 million dollars. He's going to retire to the Cayman Islands somewhere with the 5-6 million they couldn't account for.

    6. Re:Crime pays by Score+Whore · · Score: 2

      Not in federal prison.

    7. Re:Crime pays by z_gringo · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Federal system doesn't have parole. And federal prisoners must complete at least 85% of their sentence, so good behavior will get him a 15% reduction at most.

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    8. Re:Crime pays by rickb928 · · Score: 1

      She's probably going to get better offers.

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    9. Re:Crime pays by Ironhandx · · Score: 2

      Sigh, reading fail.

      He scammed 4.5 million, so he'll retire to the Cayman Islands with the 1-2 million they couldn't account for or take back from him.

      As long as he wasn't a total moron at least.

    10. Re:Crime pays by Belial6 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And yet you are likely to give up far more than 4 years of your life for far less money.

    11. Re:Crime pays by timeOday · · Score: 3, Informative
      Exactly - the problem with prison time isn't just the prison time, it's wearing the scarlet letter of "FELON" for the rest of your life.

      Is this the life to which you aspire?

      I am a 69 y/o exfconvicted felon. I'd been strugling to make end meet because I can't get a job because my record and my age, there r a lot of descrimination in florida for both. I'm retired and make $672.00 a month. and I can't survive on that kind of money.

      I was working in a little restaurant but it shut down last month, I'm desperate to pay my rent, my bills, gas etc. How can I find a job for my age.?

      (shudder)

    12. Re:Crime pays by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Some people do exactly that

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    13. Re:Crime pays by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Insightful.

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    14. Re:Crime pays by RenderSeven · · Score: 2

      My favorite media tag line, from a Forbes reporter: "Among my favorite expenses were the multiple cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend – which, if you think about, is sort of keeping with the whole concept of swapping out parts for different parts."

    15. Re:Crime pays by cvtan · · Score: 2

      Lets see. Invest 4 years of your life to get several million dollars. I think there are a large number of people that would take that deal just to support their families.

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    16. Re:Crime pays by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      I know I did, and $1-2m is a lifetime's worth of pay...if he has access to that money after he gets out, that's a damn good deal, he'll never have to work again, or could have many options for starting his own business if he wants to.

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    17. Re:Crime pays by Pieroxy · · Score: 2

      She's probably going to get better offers.

      She's got all the assets she needs !

    18. Re:Crime pays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      With the money he stole he won't need a job. If he can invest (i.e. the money isn't buried in a skull island), he'll have much more when he's out.

    19. Re:Crime pays by I+Read+Good · · Score: 2

      Not if those "assets" have been repossessed! **shudders**

    20. Re:Crime pays by jandrese · · Score: 2

      I'm having trouble feeling too sorry for the guy being labeled a criminal after he scammed 4.5 million dollars worth of equipment over a several year period. He's being labeled a criminal quite justly in this case. Maybe he'll reform in prison and deserve a second chance, but he's earned some extra scrutiny from whomever wants to hire him.

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    21. Re:Crime pays by amicusNYCL · · Score: 2

      He is a living proof that crime pays.

      No, he got caught and lost it all including his freedom. His girlfriend is living proof that crime pays.

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    22. Re:Crime pays by timeOday · · Score: 1

      Hey, I didn't say I would ever want to hire somebody convicted of employee theft myself. But unlike the GP I don't envy the crook in this case, he's getting what he deserves and I wouldn't want to be in his shoes now.

    23. Re:Crime pays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Exactly - the problem with prison time isn't just the prison time, it's wearing the scarlet letter of "FELON" for the rest of your life.

      But if a person serves their sentence there should be an opportunity to rebuild one's life without the scarlet letters 'F-E-L-O-N' attached to their name if they stay out of trouble. Once a person is labelled 'felon' there is little incentive to be law-abiding when you cannot get any legal, liveable employment. Depending on the crime the period between release and pardon can vary but ultimately be expunged unless the person re-offends while awaiting pardon. If the person is unpardonable then keep the person in prison for life.

    24. Re:Crime pays by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hmmm.......So he spends 4 years in prison and is set for life on his release anyways..... Yeah, he is proof that crime pays.

      Yeah the 4 years will suck, but never having to work again for the rest of his life will more than make up for it. He actually made out better than the guys who join the army for 4 years, this guy is actually set for life from it without having to get seriously fucked up to do it or working for 20+ years at a single job. Any way you cut it, he wins unless he gets seriously tortured, killed or permanently injured while in prison. And I doubt that will happen since he isn't even going to a real prison, he will be going to the resort style prisons while the other guys who did less than him have it worse.

      Steal millions, get a slap on the wrist and set for life when it is over....
      Sell weed, get your life royally fucked when caught and lose it all even though you never actually hurt anyone or stole anything, you just sold a product similar *but safer in every respect of the word* to alcohol which is sold everywhere....

    25. Re:Crime pays by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      He is a living proof that crime pays.

      He got millions of dollars and a great lifestyle for years and now he basicaly got free home and free meals for a number of years.

      Plus he'll probably have more sex than he's ever had in his life, and he's practically guaranteed a great job when he gets out. Clearly, it's a win-win for him.

      You really are a fucking retard.

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    26. Re:Crime pays by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Sigh, reading fail.

      He scammed 4.5 million, so he'll retire to the Cayman Islands with the 1-2 million they couldn't account for or take back from him.

      As long as he wasn't a total moron at least.

      He got caught and sent to prison, of course he's a total moron.

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    27. Re:Crime pays by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      With the money he stole he won't need a job. If he can invest (i.e. the money isn't buried in a skull island), he'll have much more when he's out.

      Yes, I'm sure no one bothered trying to trace where the money had gone when they calculated the fucking restitutions he has to pay.

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    28. Re:Crime pays by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      And yet you are likely to give up far more than 4 years of your life for far less money.

      You don't give up ALL your life to your work unless you're an idiot. You have to make a compromise between spending a certain amount of time doing something you'd rather not and living an even more miserable life by being poor.

      Anyone over about fourteen who thinks that working for a living is the same as being in prison is just...ignorant.

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    29. Re:Crime pays by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I know I did, and $1-2m is a lifetime's worth of pay...if he has access to that money after he gets out, that's a damn good deal, he'll never have to work again, or could have many options for starting his own business if he wants to.

      Do you really think that the authorities worked out he stole 4.5m USD and just said "oh well, guess he must have spent it all, never mind"?

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    30. Re:Crime pays by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Lets see. Invest 4 years of your life to get several million dollars. I think there are a large number of people that would take that deal just to support their families.

      You are assuming that this self-entitled minor criminal is also some sort of financial genius who has salted away those millions he stole in cunningly hidden, untraceable offshore investments or something. That is not impossible, but it is hardly likely.

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    31. Re:Crime pays by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      Anyone that can't understand dollars per hour is just...ignorant.

  4. He should've stolen billions by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

    Then he simply would've received a harshly worded letter or speech from congress. Eh, like everything else, when it comes to 'justice', it all depends on who you are.

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    1. Re:He should've stolen billions by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Then he simply would've received a harshly worded letter or speech from congress

      You mean like the strongly worded letter Bernie Madoff, former head of NASDAQ, got?

    2. Re:He should've stolen billions by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      Yeah, he was a chump also. If he had just played ball, he wouldn't be where he is today. How many other Bernie Madoffs are out there right now doing exactly the same thing, working for the big banks, all over Wall Street, and in government itself?. And notice that he stayed out of jail for a very long time while perpetrating this fraud until it became a little too obvious. When a guy gets this stupid, they gotta take him down before people realize how much this corruption permeates the entire system.

      Bernie Madoff, former head of NASDAQ

      non-executive chairman - sounds like a fall guy to me.

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  5. Man, that was stupid... by Penguinisto · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...incidentally, I don't mean the theft part, which is pretty dumb on its own. What I mean is, he should have been socking that money into Cayman Island accounts (or maybe Venezuelan bank accounts and such), then get out of dodge once he hit the $2m mark or so. Get enough scratch and live in a 3rd-world country that doesn't do extradition, and you can get an entire flock of local women instead of having to throw a ton of money on just one.

    Then again, dunno how much money he himself got, as the $4.5m figure could be what Cisco values the parts to be, which given Cisco's pricing could be as little as three fans and a 6509 power supply w/ SmartNet support. :p

    I am curious as to WTF these guys think when they start pulling stunts like this, however. I mean, if you're gonna flirt with PMITA Prison time, you'd best be damned smart about it, do at least some research, and get your shit planned in advance...

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    1. Re:Man, that was stupid... by Translation+Error · · Score: 1

      Get enough scratch and live in a 3rd-world country that doesn't do extradition, and you can get an entire flock of local women instead of having to throw a ton of money on just one.

      Even a criminal is capable of being in love with someone.

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    2. Re:Man, that was stupid... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      and you can get an entire flock of local women instead of having to throw a ton of money on just one.

      And every one of them ready to cut his throat for a few extra pesos, assuming he doesn't just get robbed.

    3. Re:Man, that was stupid... by WGFCrafty · · Score: 1

      Get enough scratch and live in a 3rd-world country that doesn't do extradition, and you can get an entire flock of local women instead of having to throw a ton of money on just one.

      Even a criminal is capable of being in love with someone.

      Or hedonistically in love with her body.

    4. Re:Man, that was stupid... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Get enough scratch and live in a 3rd-world country that doesn't do extradition

      Hmm I think Gottfrid Svartholm tried that approach and you can see where it got him.

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    5. Re:Man, that was stupid... by sconeu · · Score: 1

      He wasn't in love with her body until she had all the plastic surgery done...

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    6. Re:Man, that was stupid... by jandrese · · Score: 1
      I wouldn't be so quick to go for the "dump money in some overseas numbered account and head off to some country with no extradition laws" approach. Have you seen the list of countries that don't extradite?

      Bhutan Botswana Brunei Burkina Faso Burundi Cambodia Cape Verde Central African Republic Chad China Comoros Djibouti Equatorial Guinea Ethiopia Gabon Guinea Guinea Bissau Indonesia Iran Ivory Coast Jordan Kuwait Laos Lebanon Libya Madagascar Mali Maldives Mauritania Mongolia Morocco Mozambique Nepal Niger Oman Qatar Russia Rwanda Samoa Sao Tome e Principe Saudi Arabia Senegal Somalia Sudan Syria Togo Tunisia Uganda United Arab Emirates Vanuatu Vietnam Yemen Yemen South Zaire

      It's daily machete fight or tiny tourist trap island for the most part. Your $2 million wont last long in some of the other options like the UAE or Saudi Arabia.

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    7. Re:Man, that was stupid... by amicusNYCL · · Score: 1

      I doubt he planned this advance. He probably ordered a part that they ended up not needing, Verizon got billed for it, he ended up with it and sold it. Then he just sort of kept doing that.

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    8. Re:Man, that was stupid... by Khashishi · · Score: 1

      It sounds stupid because you don't hear about the guy who got away with it.

    9. Re:Man, that was stupid... by DigiShaman · · Score: 1

      Your idea is stupid.

      I wouldn't trust the government of the hosting 3rd-world country (extortion and corruption runs rampant) for one, 2nd, I wouldn't be trusting their banking system. And 3rd, I wouldn't be trusting of the women and/or her extended family and friends. What you suggest is jumping out of the frying pan and into the fire. To Hell with that idea!

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    10. Re:Man, that was stupid... by presspass · · Score: 1

      I am curious as to WTF these guys think when they start pulling stunts like this, however. I mean, if you're gonna flirt with PMITA Prison time, you'd best be damned smart about it, do at least some research, and get your shit planned in advance...

      Agreed, I think it'd be fascinating to read some case studies on this. There have been several embezzlement cases locally and that's what I always say; "What the hell were they thinking"

    11. Re:Man, that was stupid... by jago25_98 · · Score: 1

      There are tons of great countries in that list: Qatar, Vanuatu, Indonesia, Cape Verde & definitely the Maldives some for the highlights.

      re: Waiting
      A love strong enough might endure a 5 year wait?
      I don't think the strength of a love is a factor. That's a myth pervaded by anglophone culture.

      The advantage of being in the slammer is that you are going to have a better excuse than if she just leaves you. Unfortunately it's more painful though as it's harder to see it coming.

      re: I doubt he planned it.
      I've seen good parts go to waste. I expect he was tempted but hadn't experienced the risks and thought he could push it, and did. So it wasn't planned at all.

    12. Re:Man, that was stupid... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I am curious as to WTF these guys think when they start pulling stunts like this, however. I mean, if you're gonna flirt with PMITA Prison time, you'd best be damned smart about it, do at least some research, and get your shit planned in advance...

      Most white collar-type criminals are driven by a mixture of vanity, self-entitlement and adolescent delusions of invincibility and superiority to the common herd.

      So it's not hard to see why they get such support on slashdot.

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    13. Re:Man, that was stupid... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      It sounds stupid because you don't hear about the guy who got away with it.

      That is exactly the sort of reasoning that criminals use themselves. There's always some great heist/scam/whatever that will get them The Big One. Then they get caught and sent to prison again.

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    14. Re:Man, that was stupid... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      There have been several embezzlement cases locally and that's what I always say; "What the hell were they thinking"

      Like most criminals they were thinking they wouldn't get caught.

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    15. Re:Man, that was stupid... by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      If he did his research and planned it out, he would probably figure it wasn't a good idea.

  6. We had something similar by smooth+wombat · · Score: 2

    We had a Department of Corrections employee (for the state) who bought $123,000 worth of IT equipment then sold it on eBay for $54,000.

    Obviously he was caught when the audit was done. So far, no comment from his attorney.

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    1. Re:We had something similar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      AC here from necessity. My boss does the same thing with two major computer companies, placing fictitious orders for 4 replacement parts and only using 1-2 parts, selling the rest on fleabay. I keep my mouth shut because honestly the less I know about the crimes the better off I am; but I'm looking for a way out.

      Also it kills upward mobility options at my job; which sucks because if the boss wasn't a scumbag I would have taken the thrice given promotion option. There's no way in hell I'll be more involved than being a random peon that doesn't have anything to do with the conversion scam.

    2. Re:We had something similar by GameboyRMH · · Score: 1

      $54k is enough to set yourself up nicely in Mexico, guy wasn't too smart. Not enough to do crime that requires fleeing for though IMO.

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  7. Girlfriend Changelog by SomeoneGotMyNick · · Score: 4, Funny

    cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend

    Just HOW MUCH does it cost to modify a blow-up doll?

    1. Re:Girlfriend Changelog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can get gloves fairly cheaply... Half-price if you only need it for one hand.

    2. Re:Girlfriend Changelog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Apparently it's somewhat pricey. Although $2.3 million is easily enough to order the most depressing harem in history!

    3. Re:Girlfriend Changelog by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are they going to post photos - so we can see how big here tits are now?

  8. Enhanced girlfriend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    I think the Cisco folks are entitled to some action, since they can get their money back on this specific situation.

  9. wait, what? by Tastecicles · · Score: 0

    He gets 4 years in a Fed pen for contributing to the economy??

    Something wrong here.

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    1. Re:wait, what? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      He gets 4 years in a Fed pen for contributing to the economy??

      Something wrong here.

      Yes, and when some teenager mugs and hospitalises an old lady, he's contributing to the economy by providing work for nurses.

      Fuck me you're a retard.

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    2. Re:wait, what? by Tastecicles · · Score: 1

      Did the man mug old ladies? No.
      Did I say it was okay to mug old ladies? No.

      Fuck me, you're delusional.

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  10. "multiple cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend" by hduff · · Score: 1

    Boob job, nose job, vaginoplasty?

    Probably all three. She should have to "return" them as well if she knew about the fraud or spend time in jail.

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  11. Girlfriend...? by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    What no pictures of the girlfriend?

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    1. Re:Girlfriend...? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  12. Cosmetically enhanced girlfrield? by viperidaenz · · Score: 1

    Pics or it didn't happen.

    1. Re:Cosmetically enhanced girlfrield? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Came here to say that.

  13. Re:"multiple cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend by Kiaser+Zohsay · · Score: 1

    Pics or it didn't happen!

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  14. What a stupid by geekoid · · Score: 1

    reason to put someone in prison.
    There are better ways to punish and develop corrective measures.

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    1. Re:What a stupid by GoogleShill · · Score: 1

      Agreed. Prison should only be used to keep violent people away from the rest of world. The only exception being if an offender repeatedly doesn't follow the rules of probation/house arrest/etc.

    2. Re:What a stupid by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      reason to put someone in prison. There are better ways to punish and develop corrective measures.

      I think depriving someone of their freedom is an excellent punishment.

      Rehabilitation is a different issue, unfortunately neuro-surgery to remove the offending self-entitlement area of the brain and graft on a new conscience isn't feasible at the moment.

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  15. CUBA by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Cisco Unified Breast Augmentation

  16. Play stupid games... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...win stupid prizes.

    Yep, he did just that.

  17. I worked there/with him in 90s by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I didn't know him well but it absolutely doesn't surprise me it could take that company nine years to notice $4.5M worth of missing equipment. I ran what was supposed to be the asset tracking system at one point but there was absolutely zero enforcement on compliance! engineering would say: "our job is to build cell sites! we don't have time to scan bar codes!" & accounting's position was: "well, that's balance sheet & non-cash so it doesn't really matter...". can't vouch for this 100% but there was a story that in '92 we had a retail store have its power turned off b/c A/P didn't know it existed... luckily I got the opportunity to learn oracle & got the hell out of dodge!

    1. Re:I worked there/with him in 90s by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      accounting's position was: "well, that's balance sheet & non-cash so it doesn't really matter..."

      No, it wasn't. You have absolutely no idea what you're talking about.

      And I don't even need to have worked there to know that.

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  18. Something missing here by Comen · · Score: 1

    I have been doing this same procedure with Cisco for years an years, When a card breaks in the feild and you do a RMA on that part (which can happen allot if you have lots of gear) you get the new replacement part in the mail right away, you then have a certain amount of time to return the old bad part.
    If Cisco does not receive that part in a certain amount of time they will be contacting your boss or someone until they get that part back.
    I have had Cisco say I did not return a part that I did return and finally figure out where it was later, but its a big deal to them, these cards I replace are atleast 40K a card. Since then I started keeping all receipts from UPS to cover myself.
    Also who can you sell these cards too anyway? they all have built in serial numbers and small companies would normaly not need them, its mostly only used in equipment used by bigger companies. These type of companies would normaly not buy something they can not open a Cisco trouble ticket on because when they see that serial number a flag is going to go up right way I would think.

    1. Re:Something missing here by very1silent · · Score: 2

      I've seen major ISPs put networking gear acquired on the used market into service. During the years after the dot-com bust, it was pretty common.

    2. Re:Something missing here by jandrese · · Score: 1

      I suspect there is a healthy grey market for Cisco parts from people who don't want to pay for a service contract. If the equipment is not mission critical and maybe a few years old this would seem to be a reasonable option. You don't get software updates, but if the device is doing its job it really doesn't need them. This is especially true if you're buying used hardware at a fraction of the price.

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    3. Re:Something missing here by Comen · · Score: 1

      Yes but this is stolen gear, and I have never worked for a company that did not have service contracts on all the gear they have with live customers on it.
      It would ne hard for a bigger company to tell its employees to not open a ticket on certain gear because its stolen.

    4. Re:Something missing here by JTsyo · · Score: 1

      Sell it overseas?

  19. Sorry, but that's stupid by tlambert · · Score: 1

    Exactly - the problem with prison time isn't just the prison time, it's wearing the scarlet letter of "FELON" for the rest of your life.

    Is this the life to which you aspire?

    As opposed to half of recent college grads being unable to find full time work, according to a Rutgers University study? http://www.heldrichpodcasts.com/Chasing_American_Dream_Report.pdf

    The problem isn't "The Scarlet FELON", it's that the jobs just aren't there for anyone, unless they have in-demand skill sets. Convicted felons and half of all recent college graduates typically don't have them.

    On the flip side, half of recent college graduates do have full time jobs, and convicted felons can get jobs; in both cases, they have to have in-demand skill sets.

    1. Re:Sorry, but that's stupid by jandrese · · Score: 1

      FYI, that study doesn't say half of college grads are out of work, many of them have jobs but are underemployed. People with philosophy degrees flipping burgers for example.

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    2. Re:Sorry, but that's stupid by yurtinus · · Score: 3, Insightful

      People with philosophy degrees flipping burgers for example.

      I don't understand how this qualifies as underemployed...

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    3. Re:Sorry, but that's stupid by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      convicted felons can get jobs... they have to have in-demand skill sets

      The point is that unless they are some sort of super genius specialised rocket surgeon (or something), there will always be at least one other person with the same in-demand skill sets but no conviction for theft/fraud, and it's hard to argue that away just by being good at the HR interview.

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  20. He did pretty well, actually by Weaselmancer · · Score: 1

    A $4.5 million dollar scam. Restitution of $2.3 million to Cisco, $462,828 to Verizon. So that makes his net profit approximately $1.75 million. He'll be in prison for 4 years. Probably out in 2 with good behavior but let's say he does the full 4. That's $1.75 million / 4 = $435,000 a year. Not bad.

    I'd hardly call that a deterrent to crime. Hell, he's currently more profitable than the company I work for.

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    1. Re:He did pretty well, actually by nedlohs · · Score: 1

      Except it would be unlikely he got full price reselling things. And his future earnings are going to be significantly impacted as well.

  21. This is not the first hit on Verizon... by JRHelgeson · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Verizon has been targeted many times. They would steal network equipment, then call Cisco to get an advance replacement RMA, which would take their stolen equipment and double it. Then they would sell the gear on the 'Grey Market' for Cisco hardware. They focused primarily on Cisco 12000 line cards, where an individual card sells for $100k+ and are installed in a redundant fashion.

    Then they started just getting serial numbers for equipment and starting RMA's for that, and selling it on the Grey market. When Cisco called to get the status on the return... Verizon would reply with "what return".

    I helped track one of these cats back in early 2000's - once he found we were hot on his trail, he abandoned his Bentley, and his Mansion and fled back home to Russia - where he lives currently. Interestingly, this same type of scam popped up in eastern Europe shortly after his relocation.

    Our suspect had a friend who worked in security at one of the Verizon data centers. He would grant 'back-door' access to a facility, and permit the theft of the hardware. Stories abound of this guy being too poor to buy gas one day, borrowing $50 from friends in order to make to to the airport to fly out to New York then from New York to California, then California back home - pulling a massive roll of C notes from his pocket and repaying the $50 loan + a couple of C-notes to show his gratitude.

    Perhaps the reason we hear about this happening with Verizon was that they became aware of the scam early, then kept tracking the perps until they were finally able to catch them. Kudos to Verizon Security for being able to close the loop on this one. These cases are extremely hard to track and crack.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2004/11/27/nyregion/27theft.html?_r=2&ex=1152936000&en=28ee4e10417b8e50&ei=5070&oref=login

    http://www.zdnet.com/level-3-falls-victim-to-data-centre-robbery-3039284520/

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    1. Re:This is not the first hit on Verizon... by OzPeter · · Score: 1

      Verizon has been targeted many times. They would steal network equipment, then call Cisco to get an advance replacement RMA, which would take their stolen equipment and double it. Then they would sell the gear on the 'Grey Market' for Cisco hardware.

      How the hell does Cisco not noticed that RMA'ed equipment never seems to show up? At $100k+ a card someone at Cisco should have gotten reemed for not doing their job.

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    2. Re:This is not the first hit on Verizon... by JRHelgeson · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, if a piece of Cisco network equipment goes down that is covered contractually, they must ship a replacement. With a company as huge as Verizon, there are parts being shipped out *all* the time, and defective parts shipped back *all* the time. If you have 30 days to ship parts back, and the parts don't come back, the procedure is to initiate emails, then escalate from there. Quite often, Verizon gets involved trying to track down the missing parts, trying to solve the mystery - and never is able to resolve the issue until they see a pattern emerge and start to investigate.

      The problem is that when conducting business, you must assume that your counterpart is working with you in good faith. In this instance, you have a man-in-the-middle who is transacting the business and defrauding both parties. It takes some time to find that 'leak', especially when you are doing billions a year in network gear, and RMA's of 10's of millions, and this person is doing fraud in the range of 100k+/yr. Then the person doing the fraud is using disposable phones, disposable numbers, and so tracing the fraud down after-the-fact is even more difficult.

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  22. Will She Wait? by sycodon · · Score: 1

    Or will she go find another Sugar Daddy?

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  23. It just shows how stupid this guy is. by raehl · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you have an extra $10,000, buy your girlfriend new boobs.

    If you have an extra $1,000,000, get a hotter girlfriend.

    1. Re:It just shows how stupid this guy is. by RenderSeven · · Score: 1

      Ha ha ha just like this guy did

  24. His only mistake... by JustAnotherIdiot · · Score: 2

    ...was doing this outside a CEO position.

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  25. Re:"multiple cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend by mr1911 · · Score: 1

    multiple cosmetic surgeries for his girlfriend

    It would probably have been cheaper to just get a better looking girlfriend.

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  26. $4.5M or $2.8M by C_Kode · · Score: 1

    The Slashdot title says $4.5M, but the article it links to says $2.8M

    1. Re:$4.5M or $2.8M by Revotron · · Score: 1

      The main difference there is most likely "Cisco value" and "Street value".

  27. Wow. Just more uninformed people on /. by Lashat · · Score: 2

    The prison time is only PART of the sentence! " Baxter was sentenced to 4 years in prison to be followed by 3 years of supervised release, and ordered to pay $2.33 million in restitution to Cisco Systems, and $462,828 in restitution to Verizon."

    Nearly $2.8 million to pay back off of the $2.8 million they say he stole. I am guessing that he doesn't have ALL of the proceeds from his caper.

    IF he gets minimum security Federal Prision Camp, he will likely go closest to home. FCP Montgomery. http://www.bop.gov/locations/institutions/mon/MON_aohandbook.pdf

    Don't sound like 4 years of fun to me. In any institution or camp there is going to be a heirarchy. This guy is none of the things that are going to make his life in "camp" fun. He is not rich! He may be a tough bird, but he is an old bird at 62. All those ailments that get treated outside of "camp" are going to go untreated. No more private doctors. Dentists that only pull teeth. Hey, maybe he can get one of the best jobs there and make $1.46/hour.

    Neither Cisco or Verizon lost their lives or were even traumatized by his actions. However, they need a sentence that works as a deterrent, which this is.
    Punishment fits the crime.

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  28. I did it all for the nookie, for the nookie by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    So you can take that cookie, and stick it in yo yehhh

  29. Re:Wow. Just more uninformed people on /. by Lashat · · Score: 1

    I have seen different $ amounts reported of his haul. $4.5 and $2.8 I don't know which is more accurate. Suffice it to say that they got all his property and accounts. Maybe that Cayman Islands or Isle of Man account survived, but I doubt it.

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  30. ...and the girlfriend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    So, are there pics of the girlfriend, or what?

    1. Re:...and the girlfriend? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't think you'd want that. With multiple surgeries she must've been one ugly pig to begin with and probably still is work in progress

    2. Re:...and the girlfriend? by DirtyLiar · · Score: 1

      Don't worry. With any luck, he'll get a new one in prison!

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  31. Logical Flaw by Roger+W+Moore · · Score: 1

    If he had been the company president and a big political contributor, some poor tech way down the ladder would be facing charges instead.

    If you are going to claim that how do you know it did not happen in this case and he isn't the "poor tech way down the ladder"? You claim this as a viable possibility and then immediately dismiss it out of hand for this case which suggests that you don't really believe it is a sensible possibility (which I would tend to agree with). There is clearly a problem with accountability at the top of large corporations, especially the banks, but they seem to get away with their behaviour because nobody holds them accountable for it not by framing someone else lower down.

  32. If the guy is 62... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Then his probably 39 year old gf is gonna be needing alot of plastic surgery, moving forward.

    The guy is simply a visionary, saw the future, and did what needed to be done. She'll still look hot when he gets out of prison.

  33. Honey... by raehl · · Score: 4, Funny

    Verizon called. They want their boobs back.

  34. The Rutgers study by tlambert · · Score: 1

    FYI, that study doesn't say half of college grads are out of work, many of them have jobs but are underemployed. People with philosophy degrees flipping burgers for example.

    I refer you to the part of my post where I specifically stated "in-demand skill sets".

    A lot of people would dearly like to be paid to do things which society simply does not value. I know at least one tone-deaf singer who'd like to be paid to sing, but I'm pretty sure Yoko Ono has cornered the market on that, unless you count autotuning as singing, in which case I'd say the market is larger than I initially thought, but she's probably still not going to get paid. Personally, I'd like it to be my job to live in amazing house in an amazing place, and cash a very very large check once a month, while I spend my time writing and working on things I think need to be worked on rather than what someone thinks will give them a good ROI on a short fiscal horizon. I am not holding my breath.

    Getting a degree in something you value but which society doesn't means you will be stuck doing something for which you have skills which society does value enough in order to trade you money for exercising those skills, e.g. flipping burgers, and you will be paid commensurate with the apportioned value which society places on that role.

    If you think you can change what society values, you are invited to do so.

    Meanwhile, back on topic: if your skills are in-demand, you can get work, and your employer will overlook a multitude of sins and still be glad to have you.

    1. Re:The Rutgers study by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      What retards like you don't seem able to comprehend is that getting a degree in philosophy doesn't mean you have committed your life to sitting on a fucking pillar contemplating the universe, any more than getting a degree in English means you feel entitled to spend the rest of your life writing poetry while being hand fed caviare by oiled houris.

      Getting a degree in anything just proves you are intelligent, organised and motivated enough to learn how to study up to a certain level, which employers find useful as a way of sorting out people who are likely to be intelligent, organised and motivated at work.

      College or university is not a fucking job training scheme, like going to do a course in car mechanics or something.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  35. girlfriend by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    His girlfriend so ugly that he had to steal money to get her cosmetic surgeries ?

  36. Re:Wow. Just more uninformed people on /. by LurkingSince1999 · · Score: 0

    If he goes FPC Montgomery, then I'll likely see him out cutting the grass or emptying trash cans as my office is about 500 yards from the entrance to the camp here on Maxwell AFB. Prisoners do all the grounds and building maintenance on base. Consequently, this place is immaculate -- hardly a blade of grass out of place.

    They live in open bay barracks (so they tell me) and cannot have money, outside food & drink, cell phones and many other electronics (They've recently been allowed to have MP3 players). One of the prisoners who's been here since 1999 and works in our building was curious about my iphone as he had never seen one in person. They have a fair amount of freedom (for prisoners) and are very well behaved because they know if they screw up then it's straight to a "pound me in the ass" facility for the rest of their sentence.