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Automated DMCA Takedown Notices Request Censorship of Legitimate Sites

Techmeology writes "Microsoft has sent automated DMCA notices to Google demanding the removal of several legitimate URLs from its search results that Microsoft claims were facilitating the distribution of illegal copies of Windows 8, including links to BBC news articles, Wikipedia pages, U.S. government websites, and even Bing! The erroneous DMCA notices are being sent automatically by rights holders, who are increasingly using such techniques."

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  1. Keep it rolling boys by hazah · · Score: 2

    You're obviously doing something right!

    1. Re:Keep it rolling boys by TFAFalcon · · Score: 4, Insightful

      You should create a corporation and sign your computer over to it. Then if it does get sued just have the corp sell you the computer for 1$, then let it go bankrupt in the suit. Isn't capitalism great?

    2. Re:Keep it rolling boys by peragrin · · Score: 2, Informative

      that's not a bad idea create a corporation and sign your computer and internet connection over to it.

      That way nothing you do or say online can be used againist you as it is a corporate computer and immune.

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    3. Re:Keep it rolling boys by Genda · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Perhaps you haven't put the line through all the dots yet... that is the plan. Crush the internet as we know it, and replace it with something that resembles phone service. You pay for their service, they give you what they feel like, you pay what they demand, and you shut your mouth and enjoy it, or do without. This wild anything goes hippy-fest, communist plot that we currently call the internet is an unending pain in their collective sides and they must do anything they can to kill it, so when you say you hope it dies, you're in fact serving their interest.

      It is time for Americans, to build a completely free and unregulated internet. One not subject to government control, and for the luv-o-jebus utterly inaccessible to large corporate interests. It should be free, open and paid for by donations from users who want to circumvent the increasingly pay-per-screw models being inflicted on the users by the monolithic service providers of the world. Most important, it should route around existing systems of control and manipulation. There is no sane argument against having a free and unrestricted system of communications among people. We've been fed lies and hyperbole by people whose interest is that we keep the masses in line. This isn't about stopping a handful of predators, and it never has been. You don't destroy a $50,000 vehicle to get at a 10 cent fuse. Our entire society has become a means by which wealthy powers have concentrated wealth and power to give them control and authority over the groveling masses. Its about time for the masses to tell the powers to kiss their collective asses, we'll take care of ourselves thanks.

  2. Noticed this earlier today by zenlessyank · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Was looking for some info on QAM tuning for my tv tuner card and google search had a warning about blocked content at the bottom of each search results page.

  3. Takedown the election by jonsmirl · · Score: 5, Funny

    Someone please send DMCA takedown notices to all sites currently covering the US presidential election. That might get the problem fixed.

    1. Re:Takedown the election by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hahaha, yeah nothing would fix the election like an uniformed population. Removing news coverage would just let the candidates escape the dumb things they say.

      And that would differ..... how?

    2. Re:Takedown the election by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Does anyone actually know anyone else who is swayed by the various debates / speeches?

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    3. Re:Takedown the election by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 4, Funny

      And that would differ..... how?

      Since the recent debate Romney's popularity sharply dropped in the ages 3-8 demographic.

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    4. Re:Takedown the election by dryeo · · Score: 4, Funny

      I'd guess that some decide to not vote after hearing the candidates.

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    5. Re:Takedown the election by Chrisq · · Score: 2

      what is a "lamar smith"?

      One who forges lamers out of noobs.

      That sounds like a course I went on once "Introductory line management for technical specialists".

  4. Knock out the spammers by MrDoh! · · Score: 5, Funny

    Sounds like Google would be well within their rights now to label Microsoft a spam network and ignore ALL future takedown requests.

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    1. Re:Knock out the spammers by firex726 · · Score: 2

      Why not hit back with the whole false DMCA claims bit?

    2. Re:Knock out the spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

      How can you say that? Do you know for sure that the Caesar's Civil War entry on Wikipedia isn't infringing on the Windows 8 Beta IP? I mean, 5 years after Caesar crossed the Rubicon he was named dictator. And 5 years after Windows 95 was released Microsoft was named a monopoly. Is this a coincidence? Consider this: Steve Ballmer was born on March 24, 1956. 2000 years and 1 week prior, Caesar had defeated his last enemy on March 17, 45 BC. Coincidence?

      The only logical conclusion that any sane person can come up with is that Gaius Julius Caesar is the property of both Ballmer and Microsoft and any reference to him or the number 45 (for 45 BC) is a copyright violation. Case closed.

    3. Re:Knock out the spammers by dbIII · · Score: 3, Funny

      I don't think that's ever been done, and to make things worse how do you get a bot to face penalties of perjury? Pinning responsability for the bot on someone would be difficult and would most likely get put on the most junior coder or somebody that's left MS.

    4. Re:Knock out the spammers by _Shad0w_ · · Score: 2

      Vicarious liability.

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    5. Re:Knock out the spammers by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Because Microsoft could just drop it at that point and shoot in another batch of automated DMCA requests.
      Lying in DMCA requests has no legal reprocussions.

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    6. Re:Knock out the spammers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pinning responsability for the bot on someone would be difficult

      No it wouldn't. If you can't find a manager, director, CEO, etc. who can be held responsible, then just hold the Company as a whole responsible. If the Company is allowed to contribute money to an election, then it's only fair that the Company can be held liable in general for perjury, libel, etc.

    7. Re:Knock out the spammers by dcollins117 · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I don't think that's ever been done, and to make things worse how do you get a bot to face penalties of perjury? Pinning responsability for the bot on someone would be difficult and would most likely get put on the most junior coder or somebody that's left MS.

      Well if that's the case, what legal standing does a bot have to make a DCMA claim? I would argue - none.

    8. Re:Knock out the spammers by jones_supa · · Score: 2

      Sounds like Google would be well within their rights now to label Microsoft a spam network and ignore ALL future takedown requests.

      While you are modded funny, and it is funny, but I still think it is also the right thing to do. If I had my company receiving random takedown requests which make no sense, why would we spend our workers' time going through them? We would just report Microsoft that we will get back to you once you start sending real takedown requests, and for now put all their stuff to the trash...I mean, Recycle Bin.

    9. Re:Knock out the spammers by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      It's not perjury, however intentionally sending massive amounts of takedown requests with no human oversight is gross negligence and defamation.

      ...and, unless the general population starts caring, without consequence.

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    10. Re:Knock out the spammers by dbIII · · Score: 2

      However if somebody tells a group of people to start throwing hammers around, and all you've got is a broken window, a hammer, and no paper trail indicating who threw it and who told them to by the time it makes it to court, which patsy gets the blame? Now do you understand?
      There is a modern American management style that is effectively cowardice and refusing to take responsibility. It's almost the norm.

    11. Re:Knock out the spammers by theCoder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Because, AIUI, the part of the DMCA takedown request that is backed under penalty of perjury is that Microsoft owns the copyright to Windows 8. There's nothing in the takedown certifying that the site is in fact infringing on that copyright. Since no one disputes that Microsoft owns the copyright to Windows, there's no perjury. Just annoyance.

      Of course, IANAL, etc, etc.

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    12. Re:Knock out the spammers by Somebody+Is+Using+My · · Score: 3, Interesting

      They seem to be making claims to XBox games they don't publish as well, e.g.,

      Copyright claim #3 SpecOps The Line (XBox360)
                          Published by 2K Games, developed by Yaegar Development,

      Risen 2 Dark Waters (XBOX360)
                            Published by Deep Silver, developed by Piranha Bytes

      Mass Effect 3
                          Published by EA Games, developed by Bioware

      Max Payne 3
                        Published by Rockstar/Take Two developed by Rockstar

      Other games mentioned are Rock Band, Brave, Ice Age 4 Continental Drift, Dead Island Game Of The Year Edition, Men In Black Alien Crisis, Just Dance Greatest Hits, Game of Thrones, Inversion, Dirt Showdown

      None of these are Microsoft Games. Microsoft does not develop or publish these games. They *are* playable on a system Microsoft develops - the XBox360 - and possibly even uses to distribute the product through their XBox Live marketplace. Nonetheless, that gives them no right to claim they have authorization to send these DMCA notices, anymore than GameStop has that right. The publisher or developer needs to send the notice, not the distributor.

      So just because your software runs on a Microsoft platform, they can claim copyright on it? Extend and embrace indeed!

  5. Perjury charges forthcoming? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    An automated notice should fall afoul of the portion of the notice which must be sworn under penalty of perjury. You know, the part that says you are the person who owns the copyright to the work you're claiming (not under penalty of perjury) is being hosted illegally at the listed URL(s).

    Captcha: victim

    1. Re:Perjury charges forthcoming? by firex726 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wouldn't they? Doesn't someone still have to sign their name to it?

      When brought up in the past they were not real DMCA notices, its just everyone had an "understanding".

    2. Re:Perjury charges forthcoming? by grahamm · · Score: 2

      But that is not NOT what the declaration states. It states "I am the copyright owner or am authorized to act on behalf of the the owner of an exclusive right". It does not state "..or am authorized to act on behalf of SOMEONE WHO CLAIMS to be the owner of an exclusive right". They are swearing under penalty of perjury both that they are authorized at acting on behalf of someone who does have the right. The only alleged is that the work complained about actually infringes. The declaration states as a fact that the person making the notification, or on whose behalf it is being made, is actually the owner of the exclusive right which is alleged to be infringed.

    3. Re:Perjury charges forthcoming? by V+for+Vendetta · · Score: 2

      [...] that is allegedly infringed

      I'm afraid the bold part is their backup. "Oh, we're the copyright holders of <abc> and <adc> looked suspiciously like <abc> to us. We're sorry for the misunderstanding and inconvenience ..."

    4. Re:Perjury charges forthcoming? by Solandri · · Score: 2

      The perjury clause only requires that the claimant be a legitimate copyright holder. It does not require that the allegedly infringing work be reasonably similar to the copyrighted work. In other words, I can send a DMCA notice claiming your website on Python programming infringes my copyright on a video about snakes. As long as I really hold a copyright on a video about snakes, I am not perjuring myself.

      This is one of the stupid broken parts of the DMCA which really needs to be fixed. All laws should have some sense of reciprocity - like when Apple asked for an injunction banning Samsung's products from the market prior to trial, they first had to put up a bond to compensate Samsung for losses should the ban end up being overturned. People filing a DMCA claim should likewise be required to put up a bond to compensate the alleged infringer for costs should they eventually be cleared of infringement.

  6. Bad law is bad by ATMAvatar · · Score: 5, Insightful

    With zero penalty for bad takedown notices, even those sent in bad faith, I'm amazed this hasn't happened sooner and on a much larger scale.

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    1. Re:Bad law is bad by fustakrakich · · Score: 2

      Hey, if Mastercard can get away with acting in bad faith over Assange because of what somebody says, why can't these guys with their issues? What's the difference?

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    2. Re:Bad law is bad by sumdumass · · Score: 4, Interesting

      If you wrongly claim to own the copyright or be the agent of someone who does, there is a penalty under the perjury clause. If you wrongly claim you are the person who the notice was targeting or an agent of them, the same exists.

      However, the validity of the take down notice as in the actual content is what you claim or that the use of it was an actual violation of the copyright does not carry an explicit penalty under the DMCA. This is because the DMCA is not really about the claims, copyright, or fair use, but a way for network and service providers to act on the claims without becoming liable themselves.

      Practically speaking, anyone who is the victim of a fraudulent claim can sue the person who made the claim for damages. If they pretend they are in collusion with the service provider and it wasn't a DMCA take , then the service or network provider that disabled access to the service is not shielded from liability either. Unfortunately, often the damages are far less then the cost of suing or the resources someone might have available to push the buttons.

    3. Re:Bad law is bad by hweimer · · Score: 3, Informative

      If you wrongly claim to own the copyright or be the agent of someone who does, there is a penalty under the perjury clause.

      Which is what has happened here. Microsoft does not possess any copyright regarding the Wikipedia article on Glock pistols. This is very different from the usual case where overreaching DMCA notices are sent against actual usage of copyrighted material, but where the usage is allowed by law (e.g., under fair use). Here, however, we have the interesting case of a Microsoft representative making a false claim under the penalty of perjury.

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  7. Well, that will teach Microsoft by ohnocitizen · · Score: 5, Funny

    With all the embarrassment from a snafu like this, Microsoft is sure to reform their ways. Starting with a complete rewrite of the DMCA-auto tool in something other than VB.net.

  8. If it's not already legal to disregard automated by doug141 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    dcma takedowns, it should be.

  9. last paragraph sums it up by chowdahhead · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Right now rightsholders and the anti-piracy outfits they employ have absolutely no incentive to improve the accuracy of their automated takedown systems, so perhaps it’s time for them to be punished?

    That is the problem--they have nothing to lose. If automated detection can't differentiate between illegal, fair use, and completely unrelated content (as in this case), then someone needs to be held liable for that junk.

    1. Re:last paragraph sums it up by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Indeed. The law should be changed such that all DMCA requests must now be signed by a judge.

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  10. A DMCA takedown notice is theft. by cwills · · Score: 5, Insightful
    A DMCA takedown notice for something that doesn't belong to you is simply theft, and should be treated as such. If the whole purpose of DMCA is to protect the owner of some property, it needs to work both ways.

    If I called a towing company claimed that the car you had parked in your driveway was mine and that I wanted it towed to my house, that would be theft.

    1. Re:A DMCA takedown notice is theft. by Nyder · · Score: 3, Insightful

      A DMCA takedown notice for something that doesn't belong to you is simply theft, and should be treated as such. If the whole purpose of DMCA is to protect the owner of some property, it needs to work both ways.

      If I called a towing company claimed that the car you had parked in your driveway was mine and that I wanted it towed to my house, that would be theft.

      huh?

      This is more like your neighbor called and got your car towed from the front of your house (or driveway). Why they are doing it is because they don't bother to check that the car is yours, and belongs there. And since it's not against the law to call up and get someone else car towed, they are doing it to every car they see.

      Now, if I was Google, I'd just start charging for bogus requests. Wouldn't charge for legitimate requests, but charge like $1 or so for every bogus request that comes in. If a place has an outstanding balance of too much, then do not process any more requests from them until they pay up.

      Since this is about money, make them pay.

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  11. Nothing to lose by whoever57 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Microsoft has nothing to lose from this. Removing legitimate sites from Google's index only helps Bing.

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  12. Re:Trust a company to do the right thing... by Cruciform · · Score: 2

    Corporations are psychopaths. And what kind of monsters scare psychopaths? Shareholders.

  13. I did my part and emailed my Senator by GoodNewsJimDotCom · · Score: 3, Interesting

    You should write your Senator if you are civilly minded and regularly do this. Tell them,"DMCA is being abused, and it should be repealed or give penalties for abusing it." Also explain how DMCA is similar to SOPA/PIPA. Explain just as SOPA/PIPA are against free speech, so is DMCA Maybe explain companies are using it to be anti-competitive for example, Microsoft's goal is to issue as many takedown notices as it can just to make Google jump through hoops. It is part of Microsoft's attack policy, just like Apple's policy is suing people. Oh yeah, writing about software patents being beyond useless is good too.

    1. Re:I did my part and emailed my Senator by lightknight · · Score: 2

      Indeed. Subject has made usage of his / her 'Constitutional Rights'...it's obviously a prelude to a new terrorist attack on...*throws dart at board*...Wisconsin.

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  14. Hmmm. Fake DMCA takedowns......... by kawabago · · Score: 2

    I wonder how long it will take till someone decides to use that tool to take a specific artist off the net everywhere?

  15. Re:If it's not already legal to disregard automate by Z00L00K · · Score: 2

    This highlights the point of having a due process for legal claims - bring your claims to court first and when there's a court order on it then it's time to take down the content.

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  16. DMCA consequences by EmperorOfCanada · · Score: 2

    There need to be serious consequences for claims that turn out to have no merit. The best consequence would not be just a huge fine but after 3rd strike you go to jail. This should be coupled with a lawyers must sign the DMCA notice so that they would not be able to claim ignorance in any way.

    After enough strikes the copyright holder should lose their copyright all together and the item should go into the public domain.

  17. Re:at the sentence by green1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The point is that you should not be automating something that claims to be 100% accurate under penalty of perjury at identifying content on the internet when we know that it's simply not possible to write such a thing.

  18. Free speech by Curunir_wolf · · Score: 3, Insightful

    At one time, media companies in the US relied on the Free Speech protections like the guarantee in the Constitution to ensure their livelihood. That motivated them to defend free speech rights for everyone.

    Media in the US is now mostly controlled by 5 large corporations, and they no longer rely on free speech for their livelihood. In fact in some quarters they now view it as more of a threat.

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  19. Title 18 Section 1001 by jklovanc · · Score: 3, Informative

    From the Law

    ‘‘ 1312. Oaths and acknowledgments
    (a) IN GENERAL.—Oaths and acknowledgments required by this chapter—
          (1) may be made—
              (A) before any person in the United States authorized by law to administer oaths; or
              (B) when made in a foreign country, before any diplomatic or consular officer of the United States authorized to administer oaths, or before any official authorized to administer oaths in the foreign country concerned, whose authority shall be proved by a certificate of a diplomatic or consular officer of the United States; and
        (2) shall be valid if they comply with the laws of theState or country where made.
    (b) WRITTEN DECLARATION IN LIEU OF OATH.—
          (1) The Administrator may by rule prescribe that any document which is to be filed under this chapter in the Office of the Administrator and which is required by any law, rule, or other regulation to be under oath, may be subscribed to by a written declaration in such form
    as the Administrator may prescribe, and such declaration shall be in lieu of the oath otherwise required.
        (2) Whenever a written declaration under paragraph (1) is used, the document containing the declaration shall state that willful false statements are punishable by fine or imprisonment, or both, pursuant to section 1001 of title 18, and may jeopardize the validity of the application or document or a registration resulting therefrom.

    Title 18 Section 1001

    (a) Except as otherwise provided in this section, whoever, in any matter within the jurisdiction of the executive, legislative, or judicial branch of the Government of the United States, knowingly and willfully—
        (1) falsifies, conceals, or covers up by any trick, scheme, or device a material fact;
        (2) makes any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or representation; or
        (3) makes or uses any false writing or document knowing the same to contain any materially false, fictitious, or fraudulent statement or entry;
    shall be fined under this title, imprisoned not more than 5 years or, if the offense involves international or domestic terrorism (as defined in section 2331), imprisoned not more than 8 years, or both. If the matter relates to an offense under chapter 109A, 109B, 110, or 117, or section 1591, then the term of imprisonment imposed under this section shall be not more than 8 years.

    It seems that there is law behind throwing someone in jail.

  20. The Real News by Daimaou · · Score: 3, Funny

    The real news here is that somebody would be willing to download Windows 8, pirated or otherwise.

  21. If the rules were balanced by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Microsoft would now face a $200 trillion fine for violating the law (When you scale up from what single persons are liable for under this law, to the income and wealth of microsoft)

    If the law was balanced, I would imagine we would get fewer cases of false notices, as it is now, all they get is a bit of bad press, it is probably not even mentioned in the press for non-nerds and there so why should they not send out takedown notices for everything?

    1. Re:If the rules were balanced by Joce640k · · Score: 2

      DMCA, looking better with every passing day.

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  22. Talk to the lawyers... by 19061969 · · Score: 2

    Surely there has to be a slimy legal shit somewhere who can figure out a way to make money from each improper take-down?

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