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Russian Officials Consider Ban On Wi-Fi Use For Kids

dsinc writes that Russia's "Communications and Press Ministry has proposed banning children from using Wi-Fi networks in public, potentially making cafes, restaurants and other locations providing the service responsible for enforcing the law. An official with the ministry's Federal Mass Media Inspection Service, known as Roskomnadzor, said the ban should apply to people under 18 years old. Locations providing Wi-Fi access would be held legally responsible for implementing the rule, and failing to meet the proposed measure would result in a fine ranging from 20,000 rubles to 50,000 rubles ($640 to $1,600), Vedomosti reported Thursday." The law, ostensibly to "shield" children, would apply to a fairly broad definition of child — anyone under 18.

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  1. What's the fear? by BobPaul · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is he afraid of kids getting access to porn or is he afraid of kids becoming politically active and starting a "Russian Spring" or sorts?

    1. Re:What's the fear? by jandrese · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why can't it be both? You have your moral hysteria to appeal to the social conservatives, and the totalitarianism to appeal to the ranking government officials, it's a win-win.

      I expect this law to be enforced in current Russian fashion: not at all unless it is to harass your political or social rivals.

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    2. Re:What's the fear? by Hatta · · Score: 3, Insightful

      There doesn't have to be an actual risk to children. You just have to declare that you're doing something to protect children, and accompany it with a suitably jingoistic propaganda campaign. This is how "The Land of The Free"(TM), has managed over 75 years of cannabis prohibition, despite it being one of the safest drugs on Earth. A war on wifi would be no more absurd or unjust.

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    3. Re:What's the fear? by tdrak · · Score: 4, Informative

      at home is fine, they can track who and what was posted. In public is where they have the problem tracking who did the posting.

    4. Re:What's the fear? by ScottyLad · · Score: 4, Informative

      I imagine they have the same problems we have of limited bandwidth and those darn kids are using it all up making internet access slow for everyone. Get them off the network (under some pretense of "think of the children") and - yay! More bandwidth for me...

      Actually, one of the many things I like about Moscow and St Petersburg is the presence of a decent free wifi in almost every place you can buy a coffee (such as Coffee House in the picture, and Shokoladnitsi mentioned in the article). Plus the fact there are no annoying splash screens, proxy logins or registration required - just select the access point and browse away.

      I tried to use the "free WiFi" in a McDonalds in the UK today as I had a poor mobile reception - I selected their access point, was prompted for my cellphone number, and then redirected to a login page which required the code which never arrived via SMS to my cellphone. It would be a real shame if the much more user-friendly and useful service in Russia (ie. one that actually works!) is legislated out of existence. (although the likelyhood of such legislation ever being enforced is another matter)

      It's been a while since I've been over to the USA, so can't comment on the situation there, but there are certainly things that Russia does better than the UK - and public WiFi is one of them. Bookstores that open through the night is another. I'll be glad to be back in Moscow later this week.

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  2. How exactly? by Hentes · · Score: 5, Insightful

    How in hell do you tell the age of someone connecting to your network?

    1. Re:How exactly? by stairmaster · · Score: 2

      Easy - don't have a network.

    2. Re:How exactly? by Zocalo · · Score: 4, Funny

      By counting the number of times terms like "OMG" and "LOL" appear per sentence?

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    3. Re:How exactly? by BanHammor · · Score: 2

      Now, if you see them over five times, that must be your local representative's twitter.

    4. Re:How exactly? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      Depends on if it's worded as to disallow Internet over wifi or just wifi altogether. Just presenting the login screen to a minor would be illegal under the latter wording.

    5. Re:How exactly? by omnichad · · Score: 2

      makes it illegal for children under the age of 13 to have logins on internet services...

      without a parent's written permission. Which, because it's such a headache makes it effectively illegal only because the cost of the paperwork outweighs the potential profit per eyeball.

    6. Re:How exactly? by Archangel+Michael · · Score: 2

      Well, the way I read the article (not really!), this is the REAL Goal of the law. They know they aren't protecting kids from the "BIG SCARY INTERNET", they are using the "do it for the kids" mantra to enforce their tyranny. In fact, just about anytime someone says "do it for the ________" it is to limit freedom and build tyranny of the Nanny State

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  3. Oblig? by binarylarry · · Score: 4, Funny

    In Soviet Russia, Wifi is spelled W-Ifi!

    To better represent the struggle of the proletariat against the bourgeoisie.

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  4. In Soviet Russia... by melikamp · · Score: 3, Insightful

    This is being proposed in a country where minors can buy alcohol virtually anywhere.

    1. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Mike+Buddha · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Alcohol in is counter-revolutionary. Internet access is just the opposite.

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    2. Re:In Soviet Russia... by Desler · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The harm is the same as why the Chinese government censors the Internet. They can get access to "bad" information.

  5. I got them off my lawn, but . . . by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 3, Funny

    Now those kids are on my Wi-Fi . . .

    "Get off my Wi-Fi!"

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    1. Re:I got them off my lawn, but . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Now those kids are on my Wi-Fi . . .

      "Get off my Wi-Fi!"

      Get off my WLAN!

    2. Re:I got them off my lawn, but . . . by avandesande · · Score: 2

      Not to joke but this was my first thought- if you have open wi-fi out of your home would you be at risk for criminal charges?

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  6. Re:PLEASE by Guignol · · Score: 2, Funny

    I guess this is the right occasion to follow his sig and tag the post as flamebait while still mostly agreeing with it :)

  7. Re:PLEASE by Zocalo · · Score: 5, Funny

    Now, now. The correct way to appease a Grammar Nazi is to give them a big hug, then softly say "There, Their, They're..."

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  8. Better control that free thinking. by Picass0 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Pissing off the youth is always a good idea for a career politician. They never remember stuff like this when they are old enough to vote.

    1. Re:Better control that free thinking. by Bugler412 · · Score: 2

      assuming it matters. If they don't have appropriate choices of candidates to vote for then it's a moot point

  9. Re:PLEASE by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    No, he is right, In russia w-ifi is ifi if it works or not.

  10. the real purpose: add another bribery channel by takiysobi · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In reality this law will create just another bribery channel for government officials. In Russia, various government agencies, including fire department, fishing, environmental, whatever regulating/monitoring bodies can close businesses for the slightest violation of infinite borderline idiotic regulations. For example, _every_ vehicle was supposed to have first aid kit and functioning fire extinguisher. Not sure if it's the case anymore, but I would not be surprised if in addition to that you need 50 meters climbing rope and gas mask, just in case. This is just one more way to facilitate bribery across the wider spectra.

  11. "Soft" warfare by scorp1us · · Score: 2

    Blocking internet access to impressionable youth cuts both ways, but it cuts harder against Western influence.

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  12. An excellent way of enforcing control by fluor2 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    To be sure that one does not offer Wi-Fi for kids, the only solution is to require authentication with a real name or similar. Else, the government can arrest you because you cannot prove that a kid did not use your network.

    A very smart move to hide the real reason; more control.

  13. Re:This doesn't make sense at all! by Desler · · Score: 2

    What the hell are you talking about?

    Ksenzov said the proposal is tied to the Internet restriction law that comes into effect Nov. 1, allowing the government to block Web pages that fit the law’s definition of material harmful to child welfare.

  14. Re:PLEASE by Stoutlimb · · Score: 3, Interesting

    This is typical Russian mentality, there are thousands of laws such as this already on the books. The aim is to make every citizen a prosecutable criminal at the governments whim by crafting laws that are impossible to reasonably follow. This allows the government to crack down on criminals they don't like, and leaves the rest of the criminals terrified and compliant. Saying that Russia is a nation populated entirely by criminals is a sadly true statement.