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Following Huawei Report, US Rejects UN Telecom Proposals
jjp9999 writes "The Epoch Times reports that on Monday, the same day the Intelligence Committee released its report cautioning against Chinese telecom companies Huawei and ZTE, the U.S. said it will reject major changes to telecom at the World Administrative Telegraph and Telephone Conference in Dubai this December. The UN conference will be the first of its kind since 1988, and its members are pressing the U.S. to hand control of governing the Internet over to the International Telecommunication Union (ITU). Huawei and ZTE are both members of the ITU. Terry Kramer, the U.S. special envoy to the conference, said the US opposes proposals from some of the 'nondemocratic nations' that include tracking and monitoring content and user information, which 'makes it very easy for nations to monitor traffic.'"
And yet the Internet is still safer in American hands than being handed over lock, stock and barrel to the UN. As bad as the US may be on occasion, it's still better than handing the keys over to the likes of China and Saudi Arabia.
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yeah, because the US would never do that.
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Why? Is my data safer when monitored by NSA made backdoors than by Chinese ones? Are the American ones of higher quality?
Stupidity is the root of all evil.
What... sheer... motherfucking... hypocrisy...
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"the UN countries"?
Isn't that, like, almost every country? Including the US?
I'm still trying to understand this "hand over" thing. How do you hand over an abstract? DO all server farms and cloud services have to move to Switzerland?
Thank goodness those US telecoms stand up for their customers' constitutional rights! They'd never stand for unconstitutional surveillance on their networks!
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well, yes.
Ask Wikileaks, Assange, and anyone who supported them financially about how much better it is. "Better" depends entirely on whether or not you are fucking with American power. The Chinese do the same with whomever fucks with their power. This is about an empire taking over the internet at its core. DNS and so many other things should be decentralized and encrypted. No power base in the world will let that happen - they need to monitor us to maintain power.
Why is this marked as Troll, when the Congress of the United States passed a law, which the President then signed, that granted legal immunity to American telecom corporations for illegally conspiring with the NSA and other agencies to monitor and collect the communications of the entire nation? How exactly is that so very different from what is alleged that Huawei and ZTE are or might be doing?
The not so implicit point of the parent comment is that the United States would like to maintain its "right" to monitor and track and control and deny the ability to any other government that it perceives as hostile. Isn't that quite hypocritical of this government to consider other governments as hostile when it is repeatedly treating its own citizens as hostile with excessive secrecy, acts of Congress, Presidential orders, creation of whole new intelligence bureaucracies, legitimization of wiretapping, and more?
Given that they cost somewhere in the vicinity of a billion dollars, I hope so?
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The second the internet leaves US control (as much as spying is idiotic and unacceptable), even the concept of free speech is over. Instantly.
So think about how internet is in russia, china? If they hand control over you get that globally. So basically the US needs to stop doing a shit job managing the internet - but giving it up to the UN will make things worse.
No, they can't.
That's why I wear a tinfoil jockstrap
That is an article of faith. However, it is baldly evident that it no longer is uncontrolled. The internet has been brought to heel, and will soon be locked down to the atomic level.
Quantum computing will come after that, and there will no longer be Too Many Secrets, Marty, because they will be able to crack any key-based encryption. This is a long game.
There will be encrypted comm, of course, using quantum-entangled computers, but WE will never see that. It will, by the mechanics of power, be reserved for the government and associated corporations to use. One law for me, and another for thee.
The end result will be a prison for us, with guarded, monitored, recorded internet services, and a closed secret world for our, let's just say it, masters. We've the social and governmental DNA for it already; we've already accepted secret wars and blacked-out war zones. We're okay with phone and car tracking. There's nothing to stop this.
If you don't like our internet, you are perfectly free to implement your own. Don't let the backdoor hit you on the way out.
Okay, enjoy our World Wide Web.
Yours sincerely,
Europe.
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So think about how internet is in russia, china? If they hand control over you get that globally.
Well, that escalated quickly... Why do you think that? We're closer to having that right now where is the government of one country that controls everything than if it is given to the UN, where they'd go through a voting involving several nations...
"'makes it very easy for nations to monitor traffic"
This is already easy in the U.S. Just ask the carrier(s) to give you some closet (literally) space, and you're in business.
Sadly, we now live in a technologically enabled world. where if it's possible, it is considered both acceptable and dutiful to do so. Kinda like the earlier days of the Internet when courts started posting documets online. These were always poubic records, but the hassle of going to the court office and the gatekeepers there kept much of this out of easy view. There are a few sites out there that make a living exposing this public but obscure data. And sometimes, someone gets all wee-wee'd up that this 'got posted'.
Then again, our police are engaged in a massive expansion of surrveilance, just because it got affordable and relatively innocuous.
We are going to have to limit that, somehow.
Most of the rest of the world has little if any options for addressing such grievances. I'm not inclined to give them the pwoer to make policy worldwide. Bad enough they do it to their people.
deleting the extra space after periods so i can stay relevant, yeah.
Chinese companies make almost every circuit board, CPU, and radio comm chip in the world. They've had backdoors in "your" internet for over a decade. This happened in the name of reducing labor costs and breaking unions, and increasing profits for American companies. Now we really don't "control" anything with electrons flipping about anymore. You don't ever know what hidden capabilities are built into devices; they could lie hidden, sleepers, until needed. So who controls what is moot. We gave up control a long time ago.
Oh crap and bullshit, it's all about who gets to profit from the core domain names and not just locally within individual markets but upon a global basis. No matter the delusions, the US will not retain control over the core domain names in other countries, that will inevitably come to an end. Not to forget any country that tortures, murders by remote control, ignores justice when even it suits and, enters into war based upon corporate greed can lay claim to freedom of anything. For the last forty years the US has year after year sunk to new lows in selling out it's own populace, in abandoning democracy for campaign dollars and kick backs, in exercises of homicidal mania across the whole face of the planet, in the global corruption of democracy and free speech in favour of corporate for profit mass media control. Name the country who has killed more people than the US in the last decade or even 1 tenth that number.
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All true... and back to the question that matters.
What power would you rather be ruled by?
The Americans, The Chinese, The Russians, The Arabs?
Yeah, sorry... I'm still going with the Americans.
Perhaps there is a utopia out there somewhere where power is distributed and no one rules. Until that time, the best we as people can do is keep perspective to choose the best power to rule us.
Heck, I'd even choose the Americans over the EU. The Americans value free speech more than than EU who'd probably move quickly to ban offensive speech.
Simple monitoring can be circumvented by encryption, and opensource software is safe from backdoors. It's much easier to defend against spying than censorship.
the government put Mehanna away for ... translating a book (a 2003 Saudi text, 39 Ways to Serve and Participate in Jihad, that was "intended to incite people to engage in violent jihad"); distributing a video showing the brutal treatment of dead U.S. military personnel in retaliation for a rape in Iraq; and giving a friend a film about jihadi fighters...
Sentenced to 17.5 years in prison for spreading information. Sorry for bursting your bubble, but it had to be done. The US of A you think about it doesn't exist anymore.
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Ask Wikileaks, Assange, and anyone who supported them financially about how much better it is. "Better" depends entirely on whether or not you are fucking with American power. The Chinese do the same with whomever fucks with their power. This is about an empire taking over the internet at its core. DNS and so many other things should be decentralized and encrypted. No power base in the world will let that happen - they need to monitor us to maintain power.
I hate to break it to you but you can't take over something you invented and were the primary driver of. Many other countries have made huge contributions but the Internet was invented in the USA and it was US universities, companies, etc that made it what it is today.
The open nature of the Internet is due to the open nature of US and other western universities, along with some of the strongest free-speech protections to be found in any country of similar size or position.
Given all the options, and much like democracy as a form of government, US control seems like the "least worst".
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Don't believe everything you see on TV. If there are secret easy-button crypto-breaking computers out there, why is cryptography illegal for export?
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Well, still, you are free to set up your own computers as peers on the internet today...your own servers with your own rules.
Create your own email servers, ssh servers, news servers, chatrooms, irc, hell...create your own private social network with your rules.
You might have to pay a bit more and get a business connection so the ports aren't blocked, but hell, I have one of those for only $69/mo....no caps, all ports open, all the servers I want to run...all from home.
If the UN gets control of things...I'd have to guess one of the basic tenets of the internet about every computer on it being a peer...would likely be done away with. You'd likely have to register and get a license.
Hell, if you want..create and run a freenet node or the likes....nym servers, or be a tor node....if you want to keep private and prevent snooping of everything.
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