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Where Has All the Xenon Gone?

LucidBeast writes "Xenon, the second heaviest of the noble gasses, is only found in trace amounts in the atmosphere. Atmosphere contains less xenon than other lighter noble gasses. Missing xenon has perplexed scientists and it has been speculated that it is hiding in the Earth's mantle. Now, a group at the University of Bayreuth in Germany thinks it might have found the answer. It turns out that xenon does not dissolve easily into magnesium silicate perovskite, and thus it cannot hide there. Because it had no place to hide, it is now gone forever."

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  1. Obligatory by Legion303 · · Score: 5, Funny

    Found it! It was in the couch.

  2. It was blown away in a Megablast. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    This will make the Xenonphobes happy.

  3. Canadians Reserves by Dareth · · Score: 4, Interesting
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    1. Re:Canadians Reserves by dexotaku · · Score: 5, Funny

      ..but somehow we lack a strategic bacon reserve. I think bacon really should have the priority there.

  4. Where it'll be found by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    It'll be found in a country that by coincidence is in need of liberating.

  5. Re:Strategic Xenon Reserve by WillAdams · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Problem is, the U.S. is getting out of the rare gas business:

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/10/11/AR2010101104496.html

    So one can't even convincingly joke about it.

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  6. "gone"? did it ever exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I'm confused: did it go out into upper atmosphere or space like helium (seems unlikely @~10x weight of nitrogen & oxygen), did alchemists turn it into gold or did we overestimate the amount there initially was? not seeing how the "conservation of mass" loop is being closed here...

  7. Wrong question by JazzHarper · · Score: 4, Informative

    TFS makes no sense at all; TFA is not much better. It seems that, rather than asking, "Why is there so little xenon in the atmosphere" and coming up with a purely speculative answer, the researchers might have questioned why anyone expected to find more.

    1. Re:Wrong question by Fubari · · Score: 3, Informative

      It seems that, rather than asking, "Why is there so little xenon in the atmosphere" and coming up with a purely speculative answer, the researchers might have questioned why anyone expected to find more.

      I thought everyone (well, scientists anyway) expected more Xenon than we observe on Earth because of meteorite samples: apparently meteorites have more xenon than we see in our atmosphere.

      Unless... did you mean why didn't the Bayreuth researches test (e.g. question) any those theories? I thought they did test one of those theories by trying to saturate a mineral (perovskite) with xenon, said mineral being found in the Earth's mantel. (IANAGS, so perhaps an actual geo-scientist could comment on whether perovskite was a good choice for a test like this; I'm willing to give the Bayreuth researchers the benefit of the doubt, given that they are actual geoscientists and probably gave some thought to candidate minerals for their test).

      Interesting? Sure... I never knew about a "xenon discrepancy"; so mildly interesting.
      Informative? Sort of... I would have liked to see another paragraph on xenon comparing content for extra vs. terrestrial rocks. I'm willing to give the geo-scientist community the benefit of the doubt of having thoroughly considered the "xenon deficiency" to the point where they actually gave it a name.

      From TFA:

      “This model is enough to explain the whole xenon deficiency,” says Svyatoslav Shcheka, a geochemist at the University of Bayreuth in Germany. He and Hans Keppler, also of Bayreuth, report the finding online October 10 in Nature.

      Compared with meteorites that formed out of primordial solar system stuff, Earth and Mars have far less xenon in their atmospheres. Scientists have proposed many possible explanations, such as minerals that locked up xenon in the upper parts of Earth’s middle layer, the mantle.

  8. If Earth itself by srussia · · Score: 5, Funny

    ...is xenophobic, what hope does mankind have?

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  9. Re:"gone"? did it ever exist? by mcgrew · · Score: 5, Informative

    RTFA. It says that it was probably in the early earth's atmosphere, and the earth's atmosphere was probably blown away by some event, and then re-established itself xenon-free from gasses bubbling up from the molten landscape.

    They also wonder why Mars has no xenon.

  10. Another terrible summary by wonkey_monkey · · Score: 4, Informative
    (please note that this post is aimed more at the editor than the submitter, whose first language may not be English)

    "Xenon, the second heaviest of the noble gasses, is only found in trace amounts in the atmosphere.

    So far so good.

    [The] [a]tmosphere contains less xenon than other lighter noble gasses.

    Could be read as meaning that the other noble gasses contain more xenon than the atmosphere, but as a sentence it's passable.

    ...it is hiding in the earths mantle.

    It's called [the] Earth, and you forgot the possesive apostrophe.

    Now a group at the University of Bayreuth in Germany think that they might have found the answer.

    "The answer," given the context, can only seem to mean that they've found out where the xenon is hiding, but...

    I[t] turns out that xenon does not dissolve easily into magnesium silicate perovskite, thus it cannot hide there. And because it had no place to hide, it is now gone forever."

    Oh, okay, so "the answer" seems to be "we still don't know, but it's not where we thought it was"? Rather than "it is now gone forever" it seems (from reading one of articles, shock horror) that it was never actually there in the first place - perhaps substituting "come from" in place of "hide" would have made more sense.

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  11. Re:"gone"? did it ever exist? by Logger · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I interpreted the poorly written article to mean. The forming rocks could absorb the other noble gases just fine, but not xenon. I infer this would have left an atmosphere (at the time) that was rich in xenon since very little of it was absorbed into the rock. The article speculated that some form of meteorite collision or solar event blew off the atmosphere. Leaving me to infer that the atmosphere we have today is the result of the rock releasing gas into the atmosphere. Since the rock was xenon poor, today's atmosphere is also xenon poor as a result.

  12. Re:It's in all those funny looking headlights by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Actually pretty close. A bunch went into display/effects laser systems in the 1990s, before cheap diode lasers because available in a variety of colours. If you ever saw non-red/non-green lasers at shows in the 1990s, they were either YAG (different tech altogether), or Argon/Neon/Krypton/Xenon blends for different colours. Now they're pretty much all solid-state, and cost $500 instead of around $100k.

  13. Re:Wha?? by IndustrialComplex · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I was confused as hell, but here is what I've gleaned:

    1. Most noble gases were dissolved in/embedded in the early Earth's rock.
    2. Xenon due to a variety of factors, did not behave in a similar manner, and thus was free floating in the early atmosphere.
    3. A 'big event', like the event that caused Earth's moon to form also knocked the original atmosphere into space.
    4. Because almost all of the xenon was in the atmosphere at the time of the event, it was literally lost (from the perspective of the Earth) to space and was either acquired by the other planets or sun, or blown by the solar wind out to the edge of the solar system and beyond.
    5. Some small amounts of xenon were recaptured by Earth (like how the bits that formed the moon are still 'bound' to Earth) and those small amounts are what we measure in our current atmosphere.

    In short:

    Xenon exists in the atmosphere, not rocks. Impact event knocks off Earth's atmosphere (and the Xenon), Earth's atmosphere is replaced by outgassing from the previously saturated rock. The rock did not contain Xenon, so we have only trace amounts today.

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  14. Re:It's in all those funny looking headlights by Lumpy · · Score: 5, Informative

    Xenon is in QUALITY headlights. the blue and purple crap the posers put on their cars is not Xenon but actually low grade halogen bulbs with a color coating on them.

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  15. I thought xenon was most chemically active by circletimessquare · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Noble_gas_compound

    Yes, see the link: of all the noble gases we've studied, it is the most chemically active, we've created many more compounds with xenon than any other noble gas. It's the most reactive.

    Radon is heavier and has more complex electron shells and therefore is probably more reactive, theoretically. But it is also radioactive, so it isn't more chemically active when we take into account the concept the idea of sticking around and staying in the compound.

    So xenon is the most chemically active noble gas, period.

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  16. Re:"gone"? did it ever exist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Which coincides nicely with the planetary impact hypothesis for the Moon's origin.

  17. Re:It's in all those funny looking headlights by demachina · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Xenon headlights are a hazard, especially to older drivers."

    ⦠because drivers can see seniors on sidewalks sooner and have a better chance of hitting them for points?

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  18. Re:It's in all those funny looking headlights by davolfman · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Because the a-hat tailgating you in a lifted truck with xenon headlights ruins your nightvision.

  19. Re:It's in all those funny looking headlights by berashith · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is this issue really the bulbs, or is it the asshole, the truck, or the tailgating ? My preference if someone is really close and trying to blind me is to turn my lights off, and let them light the road for me. Of course, this wouldnt be safe, so I keep coasting to a slower and safer speed. Eventually the asshole figures it out.

  20. Re:It's in all those funny looking headlights by omnichad · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Sure, if you like replacing your headlights 1-2 times a year. That makes them even more expensive by comparison.

  21. Re:Strategic Xenon Reserve by sjames · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Of course, by insisting on getting out of it ASAP, they're driving prices down so they don't get a return on the investment and they are driving wasteful use of a finite resource. The only way they could be any dumber about their market exit would be if they just opened the valves and walked away.