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KDE Plasma Active 3 Improves Performance, Brings New Apps

Posted by samzenpus on from the frsh-off-the-line dept.

jrepin writes "KDE has released the 3rd stable version of Plasma Active, KDE's device-independent user experience. The Plasma Active user interface is touch-friendly and works well across a range of devices. Its Activities function gives users a natural way to organize and access their applications, files and information. Plasma Active Three noticeably improves the user experience with its enhanced and expanded set of apps, improved performance and a new virtual keyboard."

70 comments

  1. Meh by taktoa · · Score: -1, Offtopic

    I've always preferred a pure xfce or a mix of xmonad + xfce to any of the "big" DE's (GNOME/MATE/KDE). KDE is just a bit too glossy and shiny for me, and QT is a bloated pig compared to GTK.

    1. Re:Meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

      And what you've always preferred is so important...

  2. xfce for a tablet? by brennanw · · Score: 3, Informative

    Do they even have xfce for a tablet? Plasma active is KDE's "touch screen" interface, which they say is for "everything" but is clearly targeted at tablets, since all their graphics show it being used on one.

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    1. Re:xfce for a tablet? by taktoa · · Score: 1

      Oh, I misread the title as saying "KDE Plasma 3" rather than "KDE Plasma Active 3", and since KDE Plasma is just the general KDE graphical environment, it was an easy mistake to make. My point still stands, since tablet interfaces generally suck anyway.

  3. Sigh by JDG1980 · · Score: -1, Flamebait

    Can we please have one, just one, operating system that isn't designed for touchy crap? Look, tablets and smartphones are great, but when I'm on the desktop, I want an OS designed expressly for the desktop, not compromised with a bunch of tablet nonsense.

    1. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      The standard desktop KDE has done nothing in the touchscreen area...
      Plasma active is another environment designed for touchscreen devices, while Plasma desktop sticks to the old desktop paradigm...
      Nothing to rant about

    2. Re:Sigh by Lucky75 · · Score: 0

      Looks like we need another fork. It's ridiculous how much everyone seems to be into the whole tablet hype. Fuck, as much as I hate Apple, at least iOS and OSX are kept separate.

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    3. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So don't install Plasma. Install Mate. Or stock KDE. Or Gnome. Or any of the other million window managers and/or user interface sets out there.

    4. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      at least iOS and OSX are kept separate.

      Just like KDE's two separate products.

    5. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

      at least iOS and OSX are kept separate.

      Just as KDE Plasma and KDE Plasma Active are kept separate.
      I agree the naming should be clearer, but Slashdot posters should also RTFS.

    6. Re:Sigh by Lucky75 · · Score: 1

      Ah, totally didn't realize that. Haven't really looked at KDE in a few years all that much. That's good, at least.

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    7. Re:Sigh by miltonw · · Score: 1

      I think you are confusing the O/S with the desktop software. The kernel isn't "designed for touchy crap", it's the desktop. If you don't like touchy crap, use one of the bare-bones windowing solutions, like xfce.

    8. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's why we call it Plasma Desktop and Plasma Active. There's even a Plasma Netbook and a perennially (but hopefully not eternally) in-alpha Plasma Media Center. They all share the same core (allowing us to work on all these different targets with limited human resources) but have purposefully different user interaction concepts. We like to think of it as having your cake and eating it too.

    9. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Looks like we need commenters that actually take the time to read *and* understand the announcement. In easy words:

      1) There are two UIs, one for the desktop, it's optimized for mouse and keyboard input, and for hardware that's typically found on a desktop or laptop computer.

      2) Then, there's Plasma Active, which is optimized for touch UIs, but can in principle be easily changed to also accommodate other hardware (especially input).

      3) While these two share a lot of code, they are differently designed (ranging from input of single UI elements to overall use cases).

      I hope this way it's more clear to you.

    10. Re:Sigh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Bad choice of names, man. Look how many Slashdotters are confused. You have no hope with the general computer-using public.

    11. Re:Sigh by Bertie · · Score: 1

      They're inching ever closer together. Witness OSX's braindead implementation of fullscreen apps, which don't allow you to do things as ingrained into the Mac way of working as dragging and dropping files from the Finder into apps. They did this to get their desktop OS closer to their tablet one, and it makes very little sense.

    12. Re:Sigh by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      Looks like we need another fork. It's ridiculous how much everyone seems to be into the whole tablet hype. Fuck, as much as I hate Apple, at least iOS and OSX are kept separate.

      Why another fork? The KDE developers already have a desktop version and a touch screen version of Plasma. They are named Plasma Desktop and Plasma Active. There is no need to fork, unlike Gnome and Unity, KDE did not force a new paradigm on their users. The user can decide which interface they want based on the device (Desktop, netbook and now Active). You can even run the various interfaces on devices they were not designed for if you want (but I'm not sure why you would want to do that). Whether Plasma Desktop, Plasma Netbook or Plasma Active, all are running the same KDE below the surface.

      So, no forks needed.

    13. Re:Sigh by Barsteward · · Score: 1

      "Look how many Slashdotters are confused." you must be new here, thats the normal stance.......

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    14. Re:Sigh by fast+turtle · · Score: 1

      what are you smoking as I'd like some of it myself. KDE did change the damn UI and forced it on us when they switched from 3 to 4. One feature I use and depend on is the multiple desktop mode as I tend to configure each desktop for a specific purpose. Then they dropped all of that in favor of the god damn M$ way of a single desktop and crammed it down our throats.

      Personally, I'm glad someone decided to keep working on fixing the bugs and various problems in 3 (Trinity Project) as it allows me to continue using the10+ multiple desktops that I've configured to support my various workflows. KDE 4 is so bad, I may as well run Win7 and forget about open source.

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    15. Re:Sigh by fromhell091 · · Score: 1

      You can blame KDE4 for akonadi, for nepomuk.. but for have an unique desktop? Aye you kidding? In KDE4 you could have for every Virtual Desktop a different configuration (with different wallpapers, plasmoids, etc...). Only the panel remains. More on that, you could have different Activities with differents virtual desktops too. See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=67ZFrrM9Zro

    16. Re:Sigh by paulatz · · Score: 1

      Then they dropped all of that in favor of the god damn M$ way of a single desktop and crammed it down our throats.

      Since when have you been smoking high quality double-concentrate reinforced crack?. Even the worst bug-infested 4.0.1 KDE version allowed you multiple desktops. They would just crash multiple times but they were there.

      Actually KDE now allows you two different levels of multiplicity: desktops and activity. Where multiple desktops pretty much works as always, activities let you configure different sets of desktop applets (plasmoids), application started by default and more stuff. I personally do not use it, as I find it confusing, but you cannot complain it does not exist.

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  4. Fair enough. by brennanw · · Score: 1

    I like KDE myself but I can see why some people think it's too top heavy.

    I'd actually like to play with this but I'm not sure I have a compatible one... that I'm willing to experiment on to that extent, anyway.

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    1. Re:Fair enough. by 0123456 · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      I like KDE myself but I can see why some people think it's too top heavy.

      I prefer the term 'bloated pig'.

      I tried KDE again recently because Canonical are about to obsolete the version of Ubuntu I'm running (the last with Gnome 2) and I took about a minute just to log in on an i5 system. A lot of that is probably loading the fancy graphics from disk rather than waiting for the CPU to do something, but I can live without fancy graphics.

    2. Re:Fair enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's a one-time performance hit then, on next login, the rendered pixmaps (rendered from SVG) are read from a fast on-disk cache.

    3. Re:Fair enough. by chmod+a+x+mojo · · Score: 2

      Sounds like classic PEBKAC to me since the full KDE suite loads faster than that on my 1Ghz netbook.

      And you can make it as basic as you want, even down to using openbox as your window manager in KDE if you don't like kwin.

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    4. Re:Fair enough. by 0123456 · · Score: 1

      Sounds like classic PEBKAC to me since the full KDE suite loads faster than that on my 1Ghz netbook.

      Ah, good old 'blame the user'. I install KDE fresh from Ubuntu and it takes forever to load and therefore it's my fault.

      And it takes nearly as long on my 1.6GHz netbook with an SSD running some different version of Ubuntu, so that would strongly suggest it's not.

    5. Re:Fair enough. by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      A lot of the blame KDE gets comes from the many services that the various distros run at startup/login that are not part of KDE. However, on the same system, KDE is less resource intensive than Gnome 3 with Gnome Shell and loads faster. On Ubuntu systems, the same can be said for KDE vs Unity.

      However, if you are loading a lot of background applications when you log in, the speed and resource improvements will be less noticeable as other factors come into play.

      A 1ghz atom processor with 512KB ram is quite responsive. If one is going to spend a lot of time in something like LibreOffice, then 1GB ram might be a better choice, simply because the additional resource required for LO.

      Of course that would be the case for XFCE and LXDE and others, too. We get so hung up on the resource of the base desktop, when it is the choice of applications being run that determine the real resource need (ie LXDE will run happily on 256KB ram, just don't try to open firefox or libreoffice).

       

    6. Re:Fair enough. by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 2

      I like KDE myself but I can see why some people think it's too top heavy.

      I prefer the term 'bloated pig'.

      I tried KDE again recently because Canonical are about to obsolete the version of Ubuntu I'm running (the last with Gnome 2) and I took about a minute just to log in on an i5 system. A lot of that is probably loading the fancy graphics from disk rather than waiting for the CPU to do something, but I can live without fancy graphics.

      You can turn off the 3d rendering of KWIN in the settings. However, unless it was your first boot where it is creating a bunch of configuration files for the user, etc. It sounds like there is something else wrong. You might check your logs as that is definitely not the norm.

    7. Re:Fair enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Maybe the C in PEBKAC is Canonical.

    8. Re:Fair enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sounds like classic PEBKAC to me since the full KDE suite loads faster than that on my 1Ghz netbook.

      Ah, good old 'blame the user'. I install KDE fresh from Ubuntu and it takes forever to load and therefore it's my fault.

      And it takes nearly as long on my 1.6GHz netbook with an SSD running some different version of Ubuntu, so that would strongly suggest it's not.

      I agree with chmod a+x mojo. I have Slackware 13.37 on my HP Mini 1000 which has an Atom N270 1.6ghz CPU. I doubt that mine is so much faster than 0123456's simply because I upped my physical RAM to 2gb.

      If I don't include the time it takes to physically type in my BIOS and user passwords it's rather quick from power-off. Also:

      I took about a minute just to log in on an i5 system.

      I think is a lie because there is no possible way my old Atom is out-performing you. On top of that, I suggest you talk to your psychiatrist about upping your Adderall dosage since clearly ~60 seconds is an intolerable period of time to boot a highly polished GUI.

      On the other hand I've heard the meme that Ubuntu is Afrikaanz for "I'm too stupid to run Slackware."

    9. Re:Fair enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Ah, good old 'blame the user'. I install KDE fresh from Ubuntu and it takes forever to load and therefore it's my fault.

      And it takes nearly as long on my 1.6GHz netbook with an SSD running some different version of Ubuntu, so that would strongly suggest it's not.

      Actually, it suggests what everybody already knows: that Ubuntu's KDE is crap. So much crap that it's slower on an i5 than the same KDE version on a sane distro on a netbook.

      Seriously, try it on some other, non-*buntu based distro. Or compile it yourself on *buntu: I'm sure you'll do a better job compiling it than Canonical, even if you don't know your gcc from your configure, and think "make" means "brand".

    10. Re:Fair enough. by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

      Is nepomuk outside of KDE now? 'Cause the developers must all have SSD's, based on the way it thrashes my machines at login. KDE is not alone; my Android phone goes about downloading updates and such when I wake it up to make a phone call. Mozilla apps hang, etc.

      I never expetected we'd have multi-gigahertz machines that were too busy to take our keyboard input in realtime.

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    11. Re:Fair enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think you have KB and MB mixed up.

    12. Re:Fair enough. by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      The desktop search, which does must of the thrashing can be disabled in the settings. Nepomuk can be set not to start, but if you use something that requires it, it will still start up. It does however, cause a lot less problems than previously. Main things that use it, that I am aware of are kmail and kontact. I don't use those and I have it set to not auto-start. As such, it doesn't cause me any grief.

    13. Re:Fair enough. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      My Kubuntu installation is technically "*buntu based," but my KDE installation runs perfectly fine, and has for the last 2-3 years or so on versions 9.10, 10.04, and now 12.04. My netbook using the same distribution on versions 11.10 and 12.04 also runs it perfectly fine.

      I think what you meant to say is that trying to install KDE on top of a default Ubuntu installation leads to a mess.

  5. In their defense... by Picass0 · · Score: 1

    ... you aren't being forced to use the netbook/tablet desktop in KDE as you are in Gnome 3. KDE still has a functional desktop environment.

    I am frustrated by their stability issues more than their desktop functionality. KDE is very flexible in that respect.

    Lightweight/full featured is a different concern. Since the average PC user now measures their RAM in gigabytes this isn't a concern for some people. But if you want your DE to have a smaller memory footprint then KDE is the worst choice.

    1. Re:In their defense... by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      ... Since the average PC user now measures their RAM in gigabytes this isn't a concern for some people. But if you want your DE to have a smaller memory footprint then KDE is the worst choice.

      That's not true anymore. KDE is currently the more resource friendly than Gnome or Unity, at least according to Phoronix. On the otherhand, the KDE developers, dismiss such comparisons as they can vary widely from one release/update to the next.

    2. Re:In their defense... by Picass0 · · Score: 1

      Interesting. I hadn't seen that claim by Phoronix.

      I've been giving Mate a trial recently. As a former Gnome user it has it's strong points. I like KDE but I've encountered stability problems in Fedora 15 & 16.

    3. Re:In their defense... by Dcnjoe60 · · Score: 1

      I don't have the link handy, but they also had another story back in September about how Unity was slower than Gnome and KDE. As for stability, I'm not sure what version of KDE shipped with Fedora 15 and 16, but 4.8.2 was pretty darn stable on the *buntus. I'm just now evaluating the 4.9 series and so far, it seems faster yet.

    4. Re:In their defense... by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

      I like KDE but I've encountered stability problems in Fedora 15 & 16.

      Stability problems in a cutting edge distributions... News at 11...

    5. Re:In their defense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Fedora 15 with KDE is worse than Hitler. It was KDE 4.7, if I'm not mistaken. The same exact version on Debian is a dream. Haven't tested F16, but Fedora isn't known for being stable nor for bundling a well adjusted version of KDE, so crap is to be expected.

      About Phoronix, they have simply stated that KDE's compositing is lighter on the video card. It's still the most RAM-heavy DE existent for Linux. To put in perspective, KDE at logon uses 370MB here, Gnome 2 uses 220Mb, Gnome Shell, 290Mb and E17, 230Mb. When you factor in Windows (at 1.10Gb), though, KDE is quite lightweight.

    6. Re:In their defense... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't care about Phoronix, but I know by my experience on two different Netbooks like Eee PC 1000HE and Acer Aspire 101 that Unity and GNOME 3 are nearly un-usable while KDE 4.9 fly without hickups.

      I use Arch Linux with bare minimum install and I have tried latest Ubuntu and now latest OpenSUSE. And KDE 4.9 is winner in all, but GNOME and Unit still lag behind and very dramatically.

      KDE has changed since 4.2 version in great steps to be lighter. And 4.5 was one generic milestone on speed and stability.

      I use netbook for photo RAW conversion on a road and storing photos to it (160GB HDD) and making backups to external drive and even that netbook what I now have has only 1GB RAM, it isn't problem like other samekind 1000HE netbook what has 2GB RAM and Unity and GNOME 3 just are so close to be un-usable.

      Even Windows 7 is much slower on those machines and Windows XP is just huge resource hungry bastard what you don't want to use.

      KDE 4.9 only rival is LXDE and XFCE4. And when it comes to look, customization and features, KDE 4.9 wins hands down.
       

  6. Semantic desktop by MouseTheLuckyDog · · Score: 0

    Yeah but it still carries the shit that comes with all that semantic desktop/akonadi/nepomuk stuff that competes with the Windows registry for sheer programmer incompetence. That stuff seems to chew up half the CPU cycles used on any computer I put it on. I don't even know how it expects to work well on an ARM tablet.

    1. Re:Semantic desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is no expecting it to work. We use it on tablets all day and it works well. I know "facts" are troublesome things when they conflict with your expectations based on anecdotal evidence derived during unrelated experiences .. but .. yeah.

    2. Re:Semantic desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      The KDE team has worked a lot on the performance of these components. A modern KDE release won't expose those problems. The Akonadi/Nepomuk combo is certainly not even the bottleneck on Atom-based hardware of three years ago.

      There were performance problems in the beginning, but they're firmly under control now. Please update your bias accordingly. :-)

    3. Re:Semantic desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Akonadi/Nepomuk combo is certainly not even the bottleneck

      Of course not, I burned it out of my KDE with my laser beams.

    4. Re:Semantic desktop by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I know that a lot of people don't like the idea of compiling everything from source, but this is a place where Gentoo shines. I can and do disable the semantic-desktop USE flag when emerging KDE, and I don't even get Nepomuk. Akonadi, and friends on my drive.

  7. Time to fork KDE! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: -1

    Let's call the new desktop Klasma. It sounds open sourcey enough (read: fucking goofy) and nothing clears up confusion like having nine different versions of the same application each with their own minor tweaks.

    Oh wait, it's a tablet OS. Don't worry about it, I'm sure Apple is only two sheets of blotter acid away from suing everyone for the whole concept of UI.

  8. Interesting by phrackwulf · · Score: 1

    Can I use it with my Planar touchscreen monitor and netbook though? Would be one way to bridge this huge divide between touch type devices and the PC world.

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    1. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Yes, you can.

      In fact, one thing we'll be working on in (hopefully near) future is the ability to switch (even automatically based on hardware events) between different interface paradigms if you wish: dock for a desktop, run away with a tablet; or flip up the screen for a desktop, swivel it flat for a tablet; or .. just pick manually :)

      We already have the "pick manually" working for switching between Plasma Netbook and Desktop. It's been there for some time in System Settings, in fact. The plan is to take that functionality and make it completely generic so it can be used as a general UI shell / paradigm switcher.

    2. Re:Interesting by phrackwulf · · Score: 1

      Very outstanding, as a test engineer or metallurgical foundry engineer this type of hardware event functionality is just what we need! I actually really miss the Gateway switcheable laptops you used to be able to buy. This type of thing might actually make "ultrabooks" good for something.

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    3. Re:Interesting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was thinking about this the other day... ...how KDE has all of these new interfaces, and could be combined with the flexibility of the Linux kernel and its ability to change hardware easily.
      I think that currently out of anything else out there the KDE Project has the best chance of making it happen.

      They need to keep up the good work because I've been ridiculously impressed with how things are going these days. The development is smooth, active, making actual progress, and KDE currently runs brilliantly on both my desktop and my netbook.

      Also the configurability of the system is very nice. A while ago when Unity and Gnome3 came out they added some useful new hotkeys for thinkings like rapidly switching between virtual desktops. The other day I was able to configure all of the same hotkeys with minimal effort on my part, and not only that, but things run more smoothly and look much better.

      I'm very, very pleased with the state of things, and sincerely look forward to seeing what the future has in store for KDE.

  9. QUANTA??? by JoeCommodore · · Score: 0

    Are they going to finish converting/redesigning Quanta?

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    1. Re:QUANTA??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The most recent plan I saw was to add quanta functionality to KDevelop4

  10. Improved performance? by hduff · · Score: 0

    Now 'merely' slow instead of 'really' slow, so it's an improvement.

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  11. Probably not. by brennanw · · Score: 2

    Quanta hasn't been updated in five years.

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  12. Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by kmahan · · Score: 1, Interesting

    All these new features into KDE and the developers still won't (can't?) fix a 4+ year old bug that is about basic functionality -- that of honoring the -geometry command line option.

    Please vote for this bug to be fixed!

    https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=165355

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  13. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    lol, who starts apps from command line?
    And who sets directly the geometry of the app before launching it?

    If you think that the initial geometry of your most used apps is wrong, then ask just that, to improve the defaults.
    If it's only for a handful of apps then make specific window rules for them.
    This is a corner case at best.

  14. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by kmahan · · Score: 1

    Take a look at https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=147094 for the use cases.

    In case you can't be bothered -- my use case is having a shell script that opens up several windows (konsole and other tools) as my dev environment in a standard way. The konsoles are put into the appropriate directories, commands executed in certain windows (cscope, etc..). The konsole windows are not all of the same size. And mixing in the other tools precludes using the built in (but very restrictive) Konsole profile capabilities.

    This functionality worked great in KDE3 (and all the X WMs I used for many years before that).

    So corner case? No. Missing functionality? Yes.

    I guess if all you do is browse the web and write emails that this wouldn't be a very important feature.

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  15. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    he does, apparently. as do others... take your arrogance and shove it up your ass..

  16. This is HUGE by ingwa · · Score: 2

    I really cannot understand why there is not more interest in this. This is HUGE: It's the first and only fully free working environment for tablets. And it presents a new way of working with tablets (activities) that seems to be more suited to our brains than other paradigms. And it's beautiful to boot.

    1. Re:This is HUGE by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

      I really cannot understand why there is not more interest in this.

      Because Win8 is not yet in stores, along with all those x86 tablets coming with it.
      Don't know about KPA3 but KPA1&2 required patched kdelibs, making it very complicated for Linux distributors to package it.
      I usually like KDE but their patch requirement in KPA1&2 was totally retarded. Hopefully KPA3 relies only on stock SC 4.9.

  17. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

    All these new features into KDE and the developers still won't (can't?) fix a 4+ year old bug that is about basic functionality -- that of honoring the -geometry command line option.

    That is basic functionality for you? WTF? This is advanced functionality only a tiny niche audience cares about and of that niche audience most would use KWin rules for the same feature.

  18. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by kmahan · · Score: 1

    Maybe it is considered advanced for KDE4. Many apps such as Konsole in KDE4 all purport to support this advanced option in their help - so it could be argued that it is a bug in KDE4 and not a new feature.

    As for it being basic - I've been using it in X for 20+ years. I guess I'd consider it more primitive than advanced. KDE3 had great support for it.

    I've looked at KWin Rules before. From the provided examples and trying it I didn't see an obvious way to handle my use scenario - perhaps you can suggest the appropriate technique or point me at an example that works similar to below:
    - Specify a specific profile -- call it "ProjectA"
    - Provide an ICON or some other method for starting ProjectA
    - When started the following happens
    -- 6 konsole windows are opened
    --- each with separate geometry for placement and size
    --- each with different titles
    --- each has a specified home directory to start in
    --- one starts cscope
    --- 2 start VIM
    --- 1 starts an ssh to a target machine
    --- 1 is tailing a log file
    -- 1 firefox window is opened
    --- specific geometry for placement and size
    -- 1 custom app is opened
    --- specific geometry for placement and size

    Creating "ProjectB" should be an easy copy of "ProjectA" and allow for quick editing of window placement, rules, etc.

    It should be trivial to copy these rule sets to another machine.

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  19. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    forgive me for asking but couldn't you use the session management tools to manually restore a session with your needed terminals on startup.

  20. Plasma Mobile by rdnetto · · Score: 1

    Once upon a time there was an idea to target both phones and tablets - what happened to that? It seems like they're only concentrating on tablets now.
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    1. Re:Plasma Mobile by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

      Work still in progress: https://projects.kde.org/projects/extragear/base/plasma-mobile/activity

  21. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

    Thanks for proving my point: It's a feature for a tiny niche audience.

  22. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by kmahan · · Score: 1

    You do seem indicative of a lot of the KDE users I've met. The general feeling is that KDE shouldn't be used by developers.

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  23. Re:Still won't fix basic functionality -geometry by KugelKurt · · Score: 1

    You do seem indicative of a lot of the KDE users I've met. The general feeling is that KDE shouldn't be used by developers.

    As if that single option was a requirement by all developers and not a niche...
    KDE software is developed by developers and seems like they can live just fine without the option, just like ALL Windows, OSX, etc. developers can since forever.