Alpha Centauri Has an Earth-Sized Planet
The Bad Astronomer writes "Astronomers have announced that the nearest star system in the sky — Alpha Centauri — has an Earth-sized planet orbiting one of its stars. Alpha Cen is technically a three-star system: a binary composed of two stars very much like the Sun, orbited by a third, a red dwarf, much farther out. Using the Doppler technique (looking for very small changes in the velocities of the stars) astronomers detected a planet orbiting the smaller of the two stars in the binary, Alpha Centauri B. The planet has a mass only 1.13 times that of the Earth, making it one of the smallest yet detected.However, it orbits the star only 6 million kilometers out, so it's far too hot to be habitable. The signal from the planet is extremely weak but solidly detected (PDF), giving astronomers even greater hope of being able to find an Earth-like planet orbiting a star in its habitable zone."
how do planets orbit binary star systems? I would think two stars would give the planets erratic orbits that would either send them into one of the suns or shoot them into space.
If somehow we "made contact" with some "ET" type, and they had the means to get here "quickly", you think they would come in friendship? LOL, probably blow us up like the Klingons, Borg or some other crap. Just leave things alone will ya?
Let's use that as a setting for a sci fi movie and waste it on contortionist zombies and scientists who act like complete douchebag morons. Awesome.
Seriously, dood, you gotta stop writing for SyFy Channel.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
Sounds good. Let's call it... Chiron. Or maybe Manifold 6?
Ooh, ooh, is it going to have telepathic worms?
...for us about some space bypass or something. Seems important for some reason.
That sounds really cool. Or hot since, unfortunately, the close proximity to its star means that it probably has a surface temperature of 1500 K.
I guess I'd be more interested in a different-sized planet a bit further away from its star.
We should send seven leaders, who can't agree on anything, on a spaceship to go visit and check the place out.
We better get moving! It's already 2012 and the game ends in 2050!
Not unfortunate, just a recognition of reality. At this moment in time, the science return for sending unmanned probes / orbiters / rovers vastly exceeds the return on sending humans. We'll continue to develop space capability and at some point it may make sense to send humans to Mars ... or maybe not.
And please do NOT invoke the whole "omg we have to get off this rock" argument. If an asteroid impact blew most of Earth's atmosphere and water into space and annihilated 99.999% of the species, Earth would STILL be easier to live on than Mars.
lol, anonymous thinks the universe is twice as big as the solar system.
Man will never fly, and only a fool would think it possible to walk on the moon.
Let's use that as a setting for a sci fi movie and waste it on contortionist zombies and scientists who act like complete douchebag morons. Awesome.
Did you have a hand in Prometheus?!
A very close and very fast orbit produces weak but detectable movements of its star. But what if the planet were moving much slower and was much further away? Would that not mean the star would move even less, and slower as well? How does this give more hope to detecting planets in the habitable zone? Its 25x closer to its star than Earth. It's also 13% heavier than Earth and Alpha Centauri B is 9% lighter than the Sun. If my napkin calculations are correct, this planet has ~700x more gravitational effect on its star than Earth has on ours.
That's the thing with all your "man will never fly" quotes. Someone BUILT a machine, using real materials, real energy sources and real engineering with a few YEARS.
Since the moon shots, the space loon brigade has had DECADES to show us something, ANYTHING, that manned space makes a shred of sense.
That's the thing. You think that because someone was wrong, you think anyone who predicts a negative outcome is wrong. But you skip the tiny little detail of you know, BUILDING what it is you claim is possible.
By your logic, any prediction that sounds wrong to you, for whatever reason, can be discarded.
Man will never extend his lifespan.
"it's far too hot to be habitable."
That's an understatement. From the ArsTechnica article on the alpha Centauri planet:
"But don't start building the colony ship just yet. With a 3.3 day orbit, the planet is only 0.04 Astronomical Units (1 AU is the typical distance from the Earth to the Sun). That makes this planet blazingly hot, at about 1,500 Kelvin."
Let's use that as a setting for a sci fi movie and waste it on contortionist zombies and scientists who act like complete douchebag morons. Awesome.
Seriously, dood, you gotta stop writing for SyFy Channel.
I don't get it. What does his comment have to do with wrestling?
Space bloggers (like me) who are signed up with the ESO news feed got word of this overnight. But the story was under embargo. You do not break the story until the embargo lifts or the ESO and Nature magazine gets very angry at you.
But some loud-mouth in Croatia violated the embargo. We were patiently waiting for the embargo to lift, biting our collective tongues, when mouthy jumped the gun.
We got an email from the ESO about an hour ago that said:
"I just spoke to the Head of Press at Nature, Ruth Francis, and we have agreed to LIFT THE EMBARGO on the Alpha Cen story IMMEDIATELY due to an unfortunate leak. You may run your stories."
Nature and ESO lift exoplanet embargo early following coverage by Croatian news outlet
This IS Beta Centauri Five!!! Beta Centauri Six exploded, six months after we were left here. The orbit of the planet shifted. ADMIRAL Kirk never came back to check on our progress...
Amusing, but, no, Alpha Centauri B is not Beta Centauri. Beta Centauri is a completely different star, about 300 light years away.
http://www.astro.wisc.edu/~dolan/constellations/hr/5267.html
http://www.geoffreylandis.com
Err what? The game *starts* in 2100 (the Unity launches in 2060 and spends 40 years in transit). You may be thinking of one of the earlier Civ games. Alpha Centauri, depending on difficulty level, ends (you reach "mandatory retirement age") on 2300, 2400, or 2500. Each turn is one year, unlike typical Civ games.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
It is entirely possible that there are undiscovered planets in the habitable zone. It is the planets closest to the star with the shortest orbital periods that are the easiest to discover, either because generate frequent perturbations that can be detected in the data set, or are the most likely to cross the stellar disk (when using the brightness fluctuation method).
Second class citizen of the New Gilded Age
Since the moon shots, the space loon brigade has had DECADES to show us something, ANYTHING, that manned space makes a shred of sense.
And every time we come up with something, the JOEs shoot it down by saying 'We can't do that now, therefore we'll never be able to do it so don't even bother getting out of bed'. And Congress seems to listen to the JOEs, especially when they can game the system to pump and dump 'development money' into their districts as purest pork without having to come up with anything tangible with the money, rinse and repeat.
Understanding the scope of the problem is the first step on the path to true panic.
He failed to predict the danger of Nazi WMD though, and allowed a "missile gap" to develop
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vannevar_Bush
The German V-1 flying bomb demonstrated a serious omission in OSRD's portfolio: guided missiles. While the OSRD had some success developing unguided rockets, it had nothing comparable to the V-1, the V-2 or the Henschel Hs 293 air-to-ship gliding guided bomb. Although the United States trailed the Germans and Japanese in several areas, this represented an entire field that had been left to the enemy. Bush did not seek the advice of Dr. Robert H. Goddard. Goddard would come to be regarded as America's pioneer of rocketry, but many contemporaries regarded him as a crank. Before the war, Bush had gone on the record as saying, "I don't understand how a serious scientist or engineer can play around with rockets", but in May 1944, he was forced to travel to London to warn General Dwight Eisenhower of the danger posed by the V-1 and V-2. Bush could only recommend that the launch sites be bombed, which was done.
Not a mistake his rather unjustly maligned namesake would have made.
echo -e 'global _start\n _start:\n mov eax, 2\n int 80h\n jmp _start' > a.asm; nasm a.asm -f elf; ld a.o -o a;
Why? A generational ship is not a new concept.
It sucks, though, as it will invariably be overtaken by some dudes in a faster-than-light space yacht who make fun of the ancient crew. At least that's what my sci-fi reading experience tells me. :-)
We're stuck here for good, destined to just keep looking at extra solar planets via telescope and speculating about whether they could support life as we know it. The nearest star, Proxima Centauri, is 4.3 light years away. The farthest man made object is just roughly 17 light hours from home after 35 years of travel; so forget about sending spaceships physically to the stars unless someone invents warp drive. It's laughable to talk of Alpha Centauri when no one in power is showing interest in returning to the moon, let alone Mars.
And leaving aside that, we're stuck with the reality of NASA facing budget cuts despite its overall budget being a drop in the ocean compared to what's been spent on war in the last 10 years.
Space exploration should've been incremental, start with a lunar refuelling base at the pole where there's water ice that can be broken down into hydrogen and oxygen for rocket fuel, and use that as a staging area for further exploration. Build a spacecraft for travelling to Mars in LEO stage by stage, and send a bunch of robots to assemble a modular base well before the first humans are sent (Kim Stanley Robinson's Mars series describes this approach).
While Curiosity, Opportunity & Spirit are testimony to NASA's engineering prowess, it still can't beat an actual geologist (areologist?) on Mars with a field laboratory who's able to directly analyse rocks and figure out what it was like in the past.
Want some perspective? Just the annual airconditioning budget for the US Army in Iraq/Afghanistan far exceeds that of NASA's.
"..One hosts to look them up, one DNS to find them, and in the darkness BIND them."
Unfortunately the United States can't even get off the planet anymore...
Sure we can.