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Apple Patents Alternative To NFC

another random user sends word that a set of newly-granted Apple patents published by the USPTO includes an alternative to the near field communication (NFC) technology that has begun to pop up in mobile devices. From the article: "Apple has received a Granted Patent relating to techniques for triggering a process within a portable electronic device that identifies itself for purposes of establishing communications with another device that is in proximity. At the moment, NFC is the technology that's getting all of the attention lately in respect to making it easier for two mobile devices to share information. While Apple is likewise doing research with NFC, they're also working with an alternate methodology for which they've now gained a patent for. In accordance with Apple's newly granted patent, a method for network device discovery monitors a compass output in a portable electronic device. As the portable device and an external device come closer to each other, a magnetic field signature is computed based on the monitored compass output. A determination is then made as to whether the computed signature could be associated with or implies that a previously defined type of electronic device (with which a network device discovery process can be conducted) is in close proximity. In other words, as the two devices come closer to each other, their respective magnetic characteristics cause the compass output to change in a way that implies that a network device discovery process should be initiated between the two devices."

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  1. Betamax, here we come... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 4, Insightful

    So will Apple try to licence this technology to other mobile manufacturers, or will it forever remain on the shelf, never attaining sufficient popularity for POS vendors to support it?

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    1. Re:Betamax, here we come... by FyRE666 · · Score: 4, Funny

      This is a technology for sharing that's patented so it can't be... shared... er...

    2. Re:Betamax, here we come... by Tough+Love · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I put this in the same category as Apple refusing to adopt other standards, such as USB power. Reinforcing its reputation as an operation that doesn't play well with standards.

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    3. Re:Betamax, here we come... by alen · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Maybe NFC is the Betamax

      Major League Baseball said that 12% of post season tickets have been used digitally via the new passbook app on iOS 6

    4. Re:Betamax, here we come... by Samantha+Wright · · Score: 2

      The one remaining theory is that Apple expects their devices to surpass all others, I suppose.

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    5. Re:Betamax, here we come... by msauve · · Score: 3, Informative

      USB power has a fundamental limitation - micro-USB connectors are only rated for 1.7 A. The USB charging spec maxes out at 1.5 A. That's right at the edge for today's phones and battery technology. Lithium batteries exist which can be charged at a 1C rate, and a 1.5 Ah battery is about what most smartphones have. It's more limiting for tablets, which have batteries which can charge faster than USB can allow.

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    6. Re:Betamax, here we come... by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 5, Informative

      "So will Apple try to licence this technology to other mobile manufacturers, or will it forever remain on the shelf, never attaining sufficient popularity for POS vendors to support it?"

      Who cares? I'm not trying to troll here, but the fact is that NFC was largely busted almost before it came off the shelf (researchers able to covertly read confidential info from mobile NFC devices from several feet away).

      Unless technology changes significantly and soon, making financial transactions via radio is just plain a bad idea. You want to exchange E-cards? Fine. You can already do that via infrared or wifi or bluetooth. You don't need NFC (or a similar device or protocol) to do it.

    7. Re:Betamax, here we come... by benlwilson · · Score: 5, Interesting

      USB3 has charging standards which allow for much more power.
      I don't think any manufactures have added support for it yet though.

      Profile 1 - 5V @ 2A
      Profile 2 - 5V @ 2A or 12V@1.5A
      Profile 3 - 5V @ 2A or 12V@3A
      Profile 4 - 20V@3A
      Profile 5 - 12V or 20V at 5A (100W).

      I believe the idea around profile 5 is so laptops can drop the custom power connector and use a USB3 port instead.
      It makes things interesting if all laptop USB ports support all power profiles. You could charge one laptop from another and even make a figurative 'energy black hole' by looping the charge back again with another cable.

    8. Re:Betamax, here we come... by aurispector · · Score: 2

      NFC strikes me as a dumb idea, too. The bastard child of RFID and bluetooth. Apple will patent it's own alternative then foist it off on the fanbois to drool over. Neither will become the standard and apple's garden will remain solidly walled.

      The only way NFC could become truly useful would be for you to surrender your last vestiges of privacy and control to your phone. Who really wants to convert to e-currency with all the tracking that implies?

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    9. Re:Betamax, here we come... by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      "Oh really. Then why doesn't it limit my quad core Nexus 7? Are you saying that Apple's power design is bad?"

      you are charging your Quad Core nexus 7 at 2 amps? Wierd, because mine doesnt. Where did you get a special nexus 7 that nobody else got?

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    10. Re:Betamax, here we come... by complete+loony · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I think the main problem is this fascination with building sub-standard cryptographic primitives into the network layer. NFC should just be a transparent network transport, assumed to be insecure. That higher level protocols can use for key exchange and other encrypted tunnel protocols.

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    11. Re:Betamax, here we come... by stephanruby · · Score: 2, Informative

      Maybe NFC is the Betamax
      Major League Baseball said that 12% of post season tickets have been used digitally via the new passbook app on iOS 6

      You should qualify that percentage. It's only 12% of the single game post season tickets that were sold online, not 12% of all their single game post season tickets.

      Also, that percentage doesn't take into account the iPhone users that bought the tickets but got lost on the way there, nor the iPhone users that bought the tickets that were just waved in by staff (or had to reprint their ticket on actual paper at the park itself) because the barcode couldn't be scanned in because of the glare on their screen, and nor does it count the iPhone users that were only trying to remove the unremovable PassBook icon from their homescreen and that ended up buying a ticket to the game by accident instead. :)

      Actually, I was only kidding about that last one, iPhone users didn't accidentally buy post season tickets (at least not to my knowledge), but the part about iPhone owners being pissed off at having an unremovable PassBook icon on their homescreen, when most of them have no interest in buying Baseball tickets, nor any interest in PassBook. That part is completely true. Comments of these very upset iPhone users can be found all over the Internet.

      You'll find these comments just next to some of the Android phone users complaining about having a NASCAR app on their phone, the only difference being that not all Android phones come with commercial bloatware, only some do, and that when they do, that bloatware can still be removed the homescreen even if it can't be removed from the phone.

    12. Re:Betamax, here we come... by Tough+Love · · Score: 4, Interesting

      Well, for one thing it's only 7 inch (1280Ã--800) rather than the 9.7 inch (2048Ã--1536) of an iPad 3.

      iPad 3 is a power sucking monstrosity. The only reason Apple quadrupled the resolution was because of the scatterbrained design decision to let applications depend on fixed resolution. Exacerbated by the idiotic lack of hinting in Apple's font engine, so higher resolution is needed just to get equivalently sharp characters that Android gets with proper hinting. Oh, and the fixed resolution idiocy came back to bite Apple again with the iPhone 5 - forcing the funny looking too-long-and-skinny form factor just to keep the 640 dot display width. And letterboxing! Who was asleep at the wheel in the Apple's engineering department anyway? Well I'm not complaining of course. Strategy like this is the best and fastest way to transform Apple from a growth stock to a shrink stock. Which couldn't happen to a nicer company.

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    13. Re:Betamax, here we come... by SomePgmr · · Score: 2

      My understanding was that NFC can (and should) be used exactly like that, where as a transport the limited range has some very small amount of utility in the way of security, but that you're meant to implement higher level cryptographic protocols on top, per application.

    14. Re:Betamax, here we come... by azalin · · Score: 5, Funny

      And only people with Apple products will be able to buy food.

      Does this mean the "mark of the beast" is going to be the Apple logo?

      Isn't a bitten apple already a symbol for the original sin that got Adam and Eve evicted from paradise?

    15. Re:Betamax, here we come... by lxs · · Score: 2, Insightful

      If my experience is anything to go by, it will be the exact opposite. People with Android and other phones will have no problems but iphone users will be standing there poking at their tiny screen, wondering why their superior machine won't play with non-Apple world. Apparently sending a picture to a photo kiosk (they all seem to run on XP embedded) via bluetooth is beyond its capabilities.

    16. Re:Betamax, here we come... by ericloewe · · Score: 2

      A lot of stuff Apple patents is obvious or just absurd.

      Using the compass to measure disturbances in the magnetic field? This is squarely in "doing things differently to make them incompatible" territory. So many things make this stupidly complicated when compared to NFC. This is like identifying the person who is approaching you by their smell, and if they want to tell you something, they'll release a certain smell.

    17. Re:Betamax, here we come... by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Samsung's Micro USB connector on the GS3 has extra pins which, among other things, allow it to exceed the 1.8A maximum current on the standard connector. It is still fully compatible with ordinary cables, you just need a special Samsung one to charge at over 1.5A.

      That is what Apple should have done. Standards compatible connector but with extra pins to support the extra functions they need.

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    18. Re:Betamax, here we come... by morgauxo · · Score: 2

      Um, yeah.. because Apple's customers really care about what they are getting more than that it says Apple on it. They just now got turn by turn directions FCOL... I don't think Apple can do any wrong by their customers and their stock is not going down for a very very long time.

  2. two phones... by the_13th_saint · · Score: 2

    I guess I can not carry two devices on me any more.

    1. Re:two phones... by gnoshi · · Score: 5, Funny

      You can still carry two phones, but now that they can talk to each other you'll be the third wheel - especially since they have so much in common. No longer will you rely on other people in the restaurant whispering between themselves about 'the guy playing with his phone': these phones will be able to do that whispering to each other! Progress!

  3. Aren't they describing the human mating process? by PolygamousRanchKid+ · · Score: 5, Funny

    Apple probably will have a dating service app bundled in . . .

    In other words, as the two devices come closer to each other, their respective magnetic characteristics cause the compass output to change in a way that implies that a network device discovery process should be initiated between the two devices.

    Network device discovery process, indeed.

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  4. Re:Aren't they describing the human mating process by postbigbang · · Score: 2

    RIP, Bonjour, and Hall Effect. Stir. Patent.

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  5. Ammo for the lawyers by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I can give the Samsung (or any other party's) lawyers some ammo: prior art. A low-cost data interface using the magnetometer to extract data from a variable magnetic field. The granted patent covers this process almost verbatim, more than one and a half years after its first (published) development.

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    1. Re:Ammo for the lawyers by Anubis+IV · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe you missed something important.

      Definition: prior
      adj. Existing or coming before in time, order, or importance.

      File date for Apple's patent: Q4 2009
      Your "prior" art: May 2011

      Now, which one was the prior one again?

      All of that said, it wouldn't surprise me if someone else did beat them to it. It just isn't the person you linked.

    2. Re:Ammo for the lawyers by maccodemonkey · · Score: 2

      Except the patent isn't the same. There's no data being relayed over the magnetic field. Apple is just using the magnetic field to detect the presence of another device, not actually send any data stream. They use another protocol (likely in practice to be Bluetooth) to do the subsequent matchmaking and data transmission.

      Apple's process actually avoids stepping on this patent at all by not using the magnetometer for data transmission.

  6. Apple does it again! by John+Pfeiffer · · Score: 5, Insightful

    And so Apple makes their products incompatible with the rest of the universe in yet one more way! It's not easy being an Apple customer, is it?

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    1. Re:Apple does it again! by ThunderBird89 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Actually, this makes them infinitely compatible, since the iPhones rely on the magnetic signature of other devices to recognize them, possibly even without interaction from those devices. Passive recognition, in essence.

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    2. Re:Apple does it again! by stephanruby · · Score: 2

      And so Apple makes their products incompatible with the rest of the universe in yet one more way! It's not easy being an Apple customer, is it?

      I disagree completely (The only problem I do see with this move is that they'd try to patent such an obvious alternative to the technology). As an Android developer and as someone who is optimistic about NFC (not necessarily about payment NFC, but about the simpler use cases of NFC that do not require access to the hardware secure element). Whenever I speak to a potential client about using NFC, the conversation always gets steered to a way to make it backwards compatible for other devices.

      And this is perfectly normal. When bar-code scanning technology came out, the human-readable version of that id wasn't removed (and for good reason, sometimes you'd need to manually enter that information with a keypad). Or when printing a QR code, it would be pretty stupid not to print the human-readable version of the same information (that is, at least unless you were making a QR puzzle or something, or you didn't have enough room to print out all the relevant information).

      So developing alternative backwards-compatible solutions to NFC, like using Bump-like technology, or using Qualcomm All-Joyn-like technology, isn't meant to make it less compatible with other NFC devices, its main purpose is to provide a temporary backwards-compatible solution for the devices that do not have NFC in them yet, as this is really the only way most businesses will accept investing in NFC-technology in the first place -- only if you provide a backwards-compatible technology with it.

  7. *facepalm* by ilsaloving · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Okay, Apple is pulling a '90s Microsoft now. NFC isn't good enough cause they can't control it, so they just HAVE to make their own. Just like Microsoft did with WAV files, TrueType fonts, etc.

  8. Re:Aren't they describing the human mating process by siddesu · · Score: 2

    As far as I can infer from the summary, they are computing a hash of the readings of the compass sensor and pasting over them a Tasker task that switches bluetooth on and off. Patent-worthy? The part that computes the hash -- maybe, but it is hard to believe.

  9. TrueType fonts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    came from Apple

  10. Not a good argument, tinkerers can innovate by SuperKendall · · Score: 2

    Allow me to revise the argument: "not innovative" (I hesitate to write "obvious", since, it's not really that obvious) if a garage tinkerer can arrive at the same conclusion.

    I'm not sure if the Apple patent is innovative of not. But I think it's a terrible thing to proclaim that garage tinkerers are incapable of innovative thought. In fact I would say through history, they may even be the leading source of true innovation.

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  11. Re:Prior Art: Bluetooth pairing by Anubis+IV · · Score: 2

    Except that this isn't pairing. In fact, it sounds like this isn't even a form of data transfer at all. This is effectively a passive detection system for alerting some other form of wireless (e.g. Bluetooth) that it should try to establish communication. The comparison to NFC is apt, since they serve similar functions in some cases, though NFC seems to be far more capable than what the summary describes.

    That said, it's possible that the power draw may be better with this approach than with NFC, and it may also be something that they can enable with a simple software update for any smartphones that have a compass built in (I'm no radio or magnet expert, so this is speculation on my part). If this can indeed be enabled with a software update, it would mean that on day one they would have hundreds of millions of devices already in people's pockets and using their standard, and it would also mean that they could save money by not having to include extra hardware for NFC in later models. That first point would be a pretty compelling reason for vendors to adopt their standard rapidly, since NFC has been hampered by the chicken-and-egg problem of having too few devices with it for stores to adopt it, but having too few stores using it for manufacturers to add it to devices. It's getting there, but it's been slow going.

  12. AFC - The Alternative to NFC by SrLnclt · · Score: 2

    Apple acquires patents from the AFC (American Football Conference) after talks with the NFC fall through. Apple just had to get a piece of the $10B American Football industry.

  13. Re:Aren't they describing the human mating process by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 2

    "Apple probably will have a dating service app bundled in . . ."

    There has been a device on the market, from Japan, for some years now. I don't remember what it's called. You can code in your personal tastes... perhaps you have particular dating preferences, say tall brunettes for example. Or even a fetish. When the device detects someone with similar coded characteristics or preferences, the devices beep and guide the people to each other.

    I see no reason a similar app could not be developed for smart phones.