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Windows RT vs. Windows 8 Could Burn Consumers

Nerval's Lobster writes "The Surface currently available for pre-order runs Windows RT, a version of the operating system designed to run on ARM architecture. Windows RT looks virtually identical to Windows 8, which, like previous versions of Windows, runs on the x86 architecture that dominates the laptop and desktop market. Microsoft's early marketing materials aren't exactly highlighting that differences between Windows RT and Windows 8 — and as a result, there's a high potential for unsuspecting consumers to end up burned when they buy a Windows RT tablet expecting the complete Windows experience. But Windows RT won't support legacy Windows applications — instead, users will need to hope and pray that developers port those applications to the Windows Store, the only venue for RT-supported apps. Over at The Verge, the intrepid Sean Hollister asked eight Microsoft Store representatives about the differences between Windows 8 and Windows RT, and received several confusing responses. 'To their credit, half of the representatives admitted that Windows RT wasn't as capable as Windows 8,' he wrote. 'The other half not so much. Moreover, those reps who did admit issues seemed dismissive of Windows RT as a whole.'"

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  1. A terrible mistake. by man_ls · · Score: 5, Informative

    Microsoft is making a terrible mistake by not trying their absolute hardest to optimize the heck out of the Common Language Runtime for ARM. I don't think anyone would expect a tablet to be an acceptable desktop replacement machine - nobody thinks that of an iPad - but the fact they're not leveraging an existing architecture to bring application compatibility to the RT is going to cause major consumer headaches. No "native" apps would be a fine limitation, but they really should have the .NET CLR available for developers.

    I occasionally chat with a few Microsoft SDEs who are directly involved in the development of native RT apps, and it usually goes something like this: "ARM is fucking terrible, it's weak and powerless!" "How come other platforms, including Linux, can run on ARM successfully?" "ARM isn't powerful enough to run Windows applications, that's what we mean. That's why we have to rewrite everything to be more highly optimized for these few Windows RT apps." "So, the reason Windows RT can't run Windows apps is because most Windows software is so bad, it wouldn't perform acceptably on something being run at its limits?" "Pretty much."

  2. Re:I never expected my iPad to run OSX application by fuzzyfuzzyfungus · · Score: 5, Informative

    ...and I didn't have to read a disclaimer from Apple stating "Will not run OSX applications"...

    I had to crush the hopes and dreams of more than a few who didn't successfully draw that inference...

    Also, that was called 'iPad' rather than "OSX AR on Apple iPad"...

  3. Re:I never expected my iPad to run OSX application by Gaygirlie · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's not as illogical as you think. I've had several people showing me their CDs and DVDs telling me to install them on their Windows phones because "it says Windows and therefore it does work, and you're just incompetent if you can't do it!" I do not even know how they expected to use Office or their games on a phone, but that's the thing with luddites: often times they simply do not have any idea about what they're doing.

    With the above in mind I can easily see people being burned by the whole Windows RT - thing.

  4. Difference: They still call both Windows. by guidryp · · Score: 5, Informative

    Macs Run OS X.
    iPad Runs iOS.

    x86 and ARM machines both run "Windows 8".

    Here is a perfect example of this SNAFU:

    http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/category/windows-tablets/31088.aspx?path=6d56ed26a8e2432d145864a8ee45cd37en01

    This is the biggest Electronics retailer in Canada (does link work outside Canada?).

    The First two tablets listed, both $599, Both look physically the same. Both have the exact same blue screen "Windows 8" logos on their screen.

    There is absolutely no way that you can know by looking at any of the information at this level, that one of these tablets in x86 and will run legacy applications, and the other is ARM and won't.

    If you go to each product page you can find in the fine print of specifications that one runs Intel, the other Tegra and one is Windows 8 RT. Which is incomprehensible nerd speak to most people.

    It is that fact that they look the same, are marketed the same with the same graphical "Windows 8" is going to confuse almost everyone that isn't a hard core nerd.

    1. Re:Difference: They still call both Windows. by vux984 · · Score: 5, Informative

      x86 and ARM machines both run "Windows 8".

      x86 runs Windows 8
      ARM run Windows RT

      And if you look at the tech specs, one is identified as using OS:
      Windows RT, the other is identified using OS Windows 8.

      Now that said, I agree 100% that most consumers won't catch that.

      But I really think that in this case ***Futureshop*** is confusing customers, not Microsoft.

      Those stock photos showing the Windows 8 logo were not likely provided by ASUS for the RT product. Reading the Asus product anouncement for the Vivo Tab, and Vivo Tab RT -- the Vivo tab talks about windows 8 experience all over the place. While the Vivo Tab RT announcement talks about windows RT and doesn't mention Windows 8 anywhere at all.

      There is definitely going to be confusion, but Futureshop is the one making the mess here.
      Not Microsoft, not even Asus.