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All Five Star Trek Captains Share a Stage
An anonymous reader writes "Just after half past seven on the evening of Friday 19th October, history was made at the Destination Star Trek London event at the capital's ExCel centre; when Captains Archer (Scott Bakula), Janeway (Kate Mulgrew), Sisko (Avery Brooks), Picard (Patrick Stewart) and James T. Kirk (William Shatner) appeared together on a European stage. This momentous event, which had occurred just once before, at the Wizard World Comic Con in Philadelphia in June, not only lived up to the expectations of fans, but exceeded them by a good light-year."
The one who came before Kirk in the original series pilot. Last I saw he was either cavorting with a lady in his imagination or in a bad wheelchair, going "beep beep" (no) over and over.
"The greatest lesson in life is to know that even fools are right sometimes" - Winston Churchill
The trouble with Janeway was that the writers seemed to think she should fill the role of the series' primary antagonist. Also, she was a bit of a micro-manager, essentially the Jimmy Carter of starship captains.
How is it history if it has already happened once before?
Well, can you name any other female leader roles that didn't seem arrogant to you? Excluding eye-candy actresses?
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Hmmm . . . not quite right . . .
I can't watch voyager because of her. The arrogance in her voice grates on me enough to outweigh watching 36 of D.
. . . that's better . . .
Schroedinger's Brexit: The UK is both in and out of the EU at the same time!
Maybe because he'll only pose with other actors? *ducks*
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They forgot Captain Sulu!
They're using their grammar skills there.
Can you name a StarTrek captain that didn't seem arrogant to you? I'm pretty sure that's a job requirement. Providing episodes with story-lines by working against the interests of her crew, however, is not a job requirement, and it's curious they cast her in that role. It makes a situation where we're rooting against her instead of for her.
I suppose she was meant to contrast with Sisko, who was willing to break pretty much any rule for the benefit of his crew or society in general. In one episode he collaborates with Garak, who eventually assassinates a member of the Romulan high council to bring them into the war. In the end of the episode he concludes that he'd do it again. Janeway, on the other hand, have never met a rule she didn't like. At one point she happily complies with the rules of an alien society and foregoes an opportunity to cut 50 years off of their journey! The conclusion you can draw is that following rules is only for people who hate themselves and hate everyone else.
Troi was rarely arrogant, although sometimes somewhat preachy - I like that in a psychologist. She was, especially in the later seasons, among the calmer, most professionally behaved characters.
Beverly Crusher was, for my money, the sexiest woman on TV due to her BRAINS - she kept her head cool in many instances when everyone else was going apeshit. She became my hero when she willed her hallucinations away in "Night Terrors" - that appeal to reason is one of the core values of humanistic Star Trek.
Does the physical beauty of characters make their arguments invalid? If so you fall in the same trap as jocks do, and you should turn in your nerd card: looks, good or otherwise, do not make a person. I never felt that TNG was trying to sell itself to me via sex appeal. It simply did not need to. Voyager, on the other hand....
...was Rachel Garrett (played by Tricia O'Neil), captain of the NCC-1701-C. Her decision to sacrifice her ship and crew averted all-out war with the Klingons, saved the Federation and saved billions of lives. That's a tough act to follow.
Neelix is the Jar Jar Binks of Star Trek.
Janeway's rule following didn't bother me. It seems to be the natural character of a woman in that sort of position of power, at least in my experience. Picard had a stick up his ass the first couple of seasons but that seems somewhat fitting for a his position too. However, he had mellowed out quite a bit by the end of TNG and was much more charismatic to me by then. Now Riker...i would hate to serve under his ass. Yeah, he was a cool, laid-back, easy-going fella most of the time but when things got tense and everyone was under pressure, he would angrily bark orders at people like they were dumbasses. Sisko was always my favorite. His temperament always seemed appropriate for whatever situation he was in (except when dealing with Picard in the pilot episode). He was smart but not cerebral. He was thoughtful and considerate but in a manly way. He is the only captain that never did or acted in a way that seemed ridiculous to me. Kirk is cool. All there is to it...except for a scene in Star Trek The Motion Picture. It was early in the movie. He told some young ensign to get out of the way like she was incompetent and took over the beam-in controls. The person being beamed-in died. He got this look on his face like "oh. i fscked up. did anybody see?" LOL other than that one scene, he was always cool-headed and wise enough to sit back, trust his people, and let them do their jobs. Archer was a likable guy but there were some instances where he suffered from Janeway-rule-following and angry temper-tantrums that just didn't seem in-line with his character and too forced. They're all great actors. The problems i have with any of them i believe stem from the writing/directing of those particular scenes...except with Riker. I think Jonathan Frakes over-did it on his own sometimes. Then again, all real characters will have their own unique quirks and flaws.
They're forgetting Jeffery Hunter and Bruce Greenwood.
Why leave out Sean Kenney from the Pike actors?
According to what I can find out, the full list of Enterprise captains, not counting alternate realities, cartoons, non-crewmembers like Bele, Khan, Q or Moriarty taking over, nor the 2009 travesty are:
NCC-1701:
Robert April: James Doohan, Gene Roddenberry
Christopher Pike: Jeffrey Hunter, Sean Kenney, Bruce Greenwood
James Tiberius Kirk: William Shatner
Willard Decker: Stephen Collins
Spock: Leonard Nimoy (mutiny)
NCC-1701-A:
James Tiberius Kirk: William Shatner
NCC-1701-B:
John Harriman: Alan Ruck
Demora Sulu: Jacqueline Kim
NCC-1701-C:
Rachel Garrett: Tricia O'Neil
Richard Castillo: Christopher McDonald
NCC-1701-D:
Jean-Luc Picard: Patrick Stewart
William T. Riker: Jonathan Frakes
Edward Jellico: Ronny Cox
Guinan: Whoopi Goldberg
Wesley Crusher: Wil Wheaton (mutiny)
NCC-1701-E:
Jean-Luc Picard: Patrick Stewart
Honorable mention to the Enterprise OV-101 captains:
Fred Haise: Himself
Joseph Henry Engle: Himself
I suppose she was meant to contrast with Sisko, who was willing to break pretty much any rule for the benefit of his crew or society in general. In one episode he collaborates with Garak, who eventually assassinates a member of the Romulan high council to bring them into the war. In the end of the episode he concludes that he'd do it again.
Sisko networks then?
Except for brief periods of time in the US navy, commodore has always been a temporary title, not a rank. You got to be a commodore (temporarily) if you were put in command of a group of ships and either the admiral liked you and wanted to give you a chance to wear extra gold braid, or there was some need to clearly elevate you above the other captains (for example, if one of the others was senior to you but you were supposed to be in overall command).
So Decker would have been a captain with the title of commodore while he was commanding a task force, and IIRC Picard generally commanded multiple ships in emergencies and impromptu fleets, where he would have taken command as senior captain.
Shup up Wesley. Oedipus stories belong to reddit.
For the young uns ....
There was another Captain in the Star Trek series - Captain Pike - played by Jeffrey Hunter.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christopher_Pike_(Star_Trek)
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