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Anonymous' WikiLeaks-Like Project Tyler To Launch In December
hypnosec writes "A hacker who claims to be a member of the hacking collective Anonymous has revealed that the hacktivist group is working on a Wikileaks-like service dubbed Tyler and that it will be launched on December 21. The Anonymous member revealed that the service will be decentralized and will be based on peer-to-peer service, unlike Wikileaks, thus making Tyler rather immune to closure and raids. The site will serve as a haven for whistleblowers, where they can publish classified documents and information. The hacker said in an emailed interview that 'Tyler will be P2P encrypted software, in which every function of a disclosure platform will be handled and shared by everyone who downloads and deploys the software.'" That sounds like a lot to live up to. Decentralized, attack-resistant and encrypted all sound nice, but I'm curious both about the funding it would take, and whether it matches Wikileaks' own security.
... you do not talk about Tyler!
So would they censor the publication of the Anonymous membership?
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If this is another one of those OpenLeaks "Trust us to release your documents when WE choose--we're not a government honeypot, honest" operations, then no thanks. I'm allergic to honey myself.
...like they successfully did with Wikileaks.
Operation W.T.F.
COINTELPRO
who? this guy?
The guy had a bomb in his shoe. Q: What was the result? /.-ers guess what Tyler will do?
Now all you smart
You guessed it, more government, more SOPA. Wise up boys, keep it in your pants.
Help eliminate stupid speeding tickets
I think this phrase is vastly misunderstood.
People take it to mean, "If there's any information out there that I want, I should be able to have it, regardless of the consequences."
That was never the case, historically. Information wanting to be free means that when market forces restrict our access to factual information, like how a PDP-11 allocates memory, that information should be liberated.
That has nothing to do with piracy, secrets, etc. which have secondary consequences.
Ask yourself: if someone got a copy of all of your secrets, including your financial records and (lack of) sexual partners, maybe some stuff you'd rather bury for a century or two, and published it, would you be OK with that?
If you spell anonymous backwards and substitute each 2nd and 3rd letter respectively for a different letter you get something like Myansssss. Which is pretty spooky if you ask me. Summat dont smell right.
In space no-one can hear your vuvuzela.
30 years ago, music sharing was copying cassettes...in person. And sharing government secrets was done largely in person, too, spy to spy agency.
15 years ago, music sharing was Napster. Downloading from a centralized source. Ditto for Wikileaks.
Today, music sharing is "in the cloud", decentralized, private, and often encrypted. Seems only natural for Project Tyler (which desperately needs a new name) to do the same.
Great warrior...hrmph! Wars not make one great.
What will this do that Freenet does not already do?
P2P? Encrypted? Decentralized? Sounds like Tor to me.
Why not just set up a Tor hidden service and be done with it?
For all of you that understand the technical inner workings of the bitcoin network (from what I've seen in comments, that's zero of you), you can very easily use the open source source code for the client but rig it to run in more of a litecoin configuration and store text data instead of bitcoin transactions. That would be 100% secure, fake-proof, and block-resistant just like the bitcoin network. Of course, once a block is written, by definition, it is impossible to modify so it would be unmoderatable and heavily spammed. That's actually a problem with my idea and theirs. P2P means anyone can put anything in it they want and there is no master moderator that can delete it.
Decentralized networks don't need "funding". That's the whole point. You install some software and you're a node in the network. Haven't you people ever used Gnutella?
I don't get why people seem to always raise questions about funding with ideas like these. It's not like they're going to need to get hundreds of servers or something. If a bunch of people can spread around a torrent amongst each other using their own internet connections, and if a group of hackers can develop functional pieces of open-source software in their spare time, then I don't see how project Tyler would need any sort of funding.
You can't stop the signal.
Wouldn't most of the funding come in the form of free services provided by the tens of thousands of people that are more than happy to run nodes?
So Wikileaks gets criticized for the lack of transparency about releasing its internal financial data, but Anonymous gets a pass because it's...wait, why would they get a pass again?
Of course it doesn't. Even if the platform itself is secure, that's only part of the problem. The person submitting the documents might have failed to remove tags or other information that could identify them; with wikileaks you have a second pair of eyes watching for this. With Tyler as described here, the software may* be secure but the user isn't, one mistake on their part and it'll all fall down.
*not sure that something like this can be made secure using a software only solution; even if the network is immune to hacking, that doesn't mean that connections to it can't be traced to their origin in the same way a Bittorrent connection can be tracked to it's original network.With IPv6 becoming more prevalent, it may lead back to the specific machine of origin. The problem then becomes access; to get the files on the network without being traced, the whistle-blower must hand it off to someone else offline; how do you do that and still guarantee that the data has not been modified by the intermediary? how does the blower know that the intermediary is trustworthy?
Weird... somehow it became “attickin"...
If I hadn't specifically checked it before posting, I would have missed it and assumed it's my error. Nasty...
Has anyone else seen something like that?
Once it is out it is out for good.
Our friends in Hollywood certainly think you can put the cat back in the bag.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
And then one week later it will be full child porn and paranoid conspiracy theories and very little in the way of leaked documents. Such is the fate of all darknets I guess. (see Tor, Freenet, I2P, etc).
He's an official member of Anonymous. Makes sense
This shadowy group is portrayed accurately in the news, that's for fucking sure
Will the secure P2P system be secure if the government happens to be running a significant portion of the P2P nodes? It seems like with Tor, the only hope is that the nodes are trusted. Sure, if only 5% of the nodes are compromised, the chance of hitting enough compromised nodes so the watcher knows where you are is low, but if 50% of the nodes are compromised, your promise of security is broken.
The Internet cancer.
...I could post this as AC and legitimately claim to be a "member" of the Anonymous collective with no further proof required. Such is the nature of Anonymous. It isn't an organised group, like say, oh, Scientology, where membership is proven with funny handshakes and laminated cards. You get what I mean there. Anonymous is Legion. It's an organic entity brought about by the chaotic actions of many which seems to be working toward a common goal, and someone had the bright idea of calling that organised chaos "Anonymous" because it seemed to them to be an organised, centralised movement (which it is not). Like the World Wide Web, it's continuously growing, evolving and learning. The idea of Anonymous is self-perpetuating. Such is the nature of ideas, and once an idea is born it will do one of two things: it will propagate or it will die. This one is doing the former because whatever you think, it is liberating information that people need to know from those who control it - or think they can control it.
Long may Anonymous the idea thrive, because like it or not, if you have something to hide from the people you serve as a public servant in whatever capacity (from police officer to President), it will be exposed.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Does this offer any advantage over the already-established Freenet? Any at all?
Not Tor. Freenet.
A hidden service in Tor is centralized. Docs on Freenet are decentralized.
This is exactly what Freenet was designed for.
Anonymous could simply post a torrent link. (Add an MD5 and enable transport encryption if you so choose)
the interviewer, his CIA handler, and the IT staff. CIA handler: ask it what it's wearing! No, no! Ask him what his favorite "Hackers" character is. I bet it's Angelina Jolie. Interviewer and IT staff: Shaw! More like Jonny Lee Miller, nerd! IT Staff: OK... here's the headers for the first email reply... and. That's a Chinese IP. OK. CIA handler: Ooh! So he's in China. I knew it knew it! IT Staff: (wilting glare) IT Staff: OK, this one is from... Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Huh. CIA handler: (checks Blackberry). Oh. Nice. We have the Assange double in place. Opps! Did I say that out loud? IT Staff: OK, next email. That looks... OK. Where's the Start button on this stupid thing...? Anyone? OK.. ifconfig... it's the same IP!! CIA handler: ZOMG! He's here in the house!? IT Staff: Yeah. We're done here. Packing up. Later dudes, dudette.
What funding? I'd host it on every device I own. How many more Anons like me are there, again?
Posting signed, wince I'm in Belgium, in a small European country no one really important gives any shit about, and a with laws so localized they don't matter in teh world... I'm untouchable as far as the US DOJ is concerned.
Not that I'd concern them. Not when there are eighty millions of us. Extraterritoriality, it doesn't work for Kim Dotcom, but _I_'m not a superstar. So aren't all the other Anons, except the one scapegoat they always manage to tell the media to out as our "leader"... They'll never get it before we get their authority out of reality.
Making laws based on opinions that stem up from false informations leads to witch hunts.
Despite a few humorous news stories, the Feds aren't stupid. So the age of insulting someone by calling them "tin foil hats" is fading. Off and on I am experimenting with pairing news stories with things like this one "Ooh New Shiny Service" with the followup story "Busted".
Having to live through the time delay in real time is becoming exhausting.
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
...but under a different name.
You can hook up to it from a tor node, it's easy to find if you really want to see it. It has tons of information on just about anything, it's something of a nightmare as it has way too much info, and the search facilities sucks, but it is really endless. After reading stuff in there, I'm not surprised about anything anymore, sadly...don't go there if you like it where you are now. I wouldn't return there. Sometimes life IS better IN the matrix.
" by everyone who downloads and deploys the software."
are you going to run software supplied by the group known as "anonymous"?
will you let anyone else?
Is Tyler a reference to the song by the Toadies?
The creators should just please kill themselves now.
Fight club was overrated, it really wasn't that good, if you think it was an amazing tale that taught you something, you are a simpleton.
How is this better then wikileaks? For however shitty they are at least wikileaks goes through a removes names and censors the information. Just dumping all the information to everyone is a totally stupid idea and was the whole reason wikileaks was setup to prevent such stupidity.
Smart way for Tyler to make it go online exactly when the world is supposed to end.
Just incase he gets arrested.
That sounds good on paper, but in reality, there will always need to be secrets. Running a spy agency is essential and needs to be secret. Development of new weapons programs need to be secret. There is a lot of data kept by governments which affects individual citizens, local areas or groups, and that, too, should be kept secret.
The "publicize it all and claim it's transparency" option is going to force governments to stop engaging in activities which are necessary for a modern state. The result will be that governments will farm those activities out to NGOs and mercenaries. Think about the consequences of that.