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Anonymous' WikiLeaks-Like Project Tyler To Launch In December
hypnosec writes "A hacker who claims to be a member of the hacking collective Anonymous has revealed that the hacktivist group is working on a Wikileaks-like service dubbed Tyler and that it will be launched on December 21. The Anonymous member revealed that the service will be decentralized and will be based on peer-to-peer service, unlike Wikileaks, thus making Tyler rather immune to closure and raids. The site will serve as a haven for whistleblowers, where they can publish classified documents and information. The hacker said in an emailed interview that 'Tyler will be P2P encrypted software, in which every function of a disclosure platform will be handled and shared by everyone who downloads and deploys the software.'" That sounds like a lot to live up to. Decentralized, attack-resistant and encrypted all sound nice, but I'm curious both about the funding it would take, and whether it matches Wikileaks' own security.
... you do not talk about Tyler!
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The guy had a bomb in his shoe. Q: What was the result? /.-ers guess what Tyler will do?
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You guessed it, more government, more SOPA. Wise up boys, keep it in your pants.
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I think this phrase is vastly misunderstood.
People take it to mean, "If there's any information out there that I want, I should be able to have it, regardless of the consequences."
That was never the case, historically. Information wanting to be free means that when market forces restrict our access to factual information, like how a PDP-11 allocates memory, that information should be liberated.
That has nothing to do with piracy, secrets, etc. which have secondary consequences.
Ask yourself: if someone got a copy of all of your secrets, including your financial records and (lack of) sexual partners, maybe some stuff you'd rather bury for a century or two, and published it, would you be OK with that?
If you spell anonymous backwards and substitute each 2nd and 3rd letter respectively for a different letter you get something like Myansssss. Which is pretty spooky if you ask me. Summat dont smell right.
In space no-one can hear your vuvuzela.
30 years ago, music sharing was copying cassettes...in person. And sharing government secrets was done largely in person, too, spy to spy agency.
15 years ago, music sharing was Napster. Downloading from a centralized source. Ditto for Wikileaks.
Today, music sharing is "in the cloud", decentralized, private, and often encrypted. Seems only natural for Project Tyler (which desperately needs a new name) to do the same.
Great warrior...hrmph! Wars not make one great.
What will this do that Freenet does not already do?
P2P? Encrypted? Decentralized? Sounds like Tor to me.
Why not just set up a Tor hidden service and be done with it?
For all of you that understand the technical inner workings of the bitcoin network (from what I've seen in comments, that's zero of you), you can very easily use the open source source code for the client but rig it to run in more of a litecoin configuration and store text data instead of bitcoin transactions. That would be 100% secure, fake-proof, and block-resistant just like the bitcoin network. Of course, once a block is written, by definition, it is impossible to modify so it would be unmoderatable and heavily spammed. That's actually a problem with my idea and theirs. P2P means anyone can put anything in it they want and there is no master moderator that can delete it.
Decentralized networks don't need "funding". That's the whole point. You install some software and you're a node in the network. Haven't you people ever used Gnutella?
At one point most of the high profile hijinks were performed by only about 6 guys, but there is no "anonymous membership" per se.
And I'm not sure why anyone is asking about the cost of running something like this. That's one of the advantages of decentralized, P2P services... there's virtually no cost.
What they should worry about is everyone joining this swarm being labelled a terrorism suspect. The feds have pretty clearly demonstrated that they can track these people down. Nearly all of the ones causing problems are now in jail. So they may not be able to stop the service, but they sure can make a lot of people pay, via law enforcement.
Once it is out it is out for good.
Our friends in Hollywood certainly think you can put the cat back in the bag.
What political party do you join when you don't like Bible-thumpers *or* hippies?
There's a maximum length on the subject line. If you submit too quickly it's easy to miss it.
There's no place I could be, since I've found Serenity...
And then one week later it will be full child porn and paranoid conspiracy theories and very little in the way of leaked documents. Such is the fate of all darknets I guess. (see Tor, Freenet, I2P, etc).
Repeatedly on my smartphone. (Antedeluvian froyo device.)
It has problems when text input from the hardware keyboard exceeds a certain threshold in typematic rate, and when certain system background agets feel the need to spam the alert bar. This causes keypresses to either become out of order in the input buffer, or for the content of that buffer to truncate. (The cutoff for typematic rate seems to be around 8 to 10 keypresses per second, and the usual offenders for alerter spam are things like tmobile's wifi calling daemon, the sms message alerter, and the software update alerter.)
I have been a victim of this quite frequently, leading many posters here to think I got my diploma from a crackerjack box.
Really, I just suffer behind a problematically implemented input device.
But they can kill you with a sword. How weird is that?
Will the secure P2P system be secure if the government happens to be running a significant portion of the P2P nodes? It seems like with Tor, the only hope is that the nodes are trusted. Sure, if only 5% of the nodes are compromised, the chance of hitting enough compromised nodes so the watcher knows where you are is low, but if 50% of the nodes are compromised, your promise of security is broken.
...I could post this as AC and legitimately claim to be a "member" of the Anonymous collective with no further proof required. Such is the nature of Anonymous. It isn't an organised group, like say, oh, Scientology, where membership is proven with funny handshakes and laminated cards. You get what I mean there. Anonymous is Legion. It's an organic entity brought about by the chaotic actions of many which seems to be working toward a common goal, and someone had the bright idea of calling that organised chaos "Anonymous" because it seemed to them to be an organised, centralised movement (which it is not). Like the World Wide Web, it's continuously growing, evolving and learning. The idea of Anonymous is self-perpetuating. Such is the nature of ideas, and once an idea is born it will do one of two things: it will propagate or it will die. This one is doing the former because whatever you think, it is liberating information that people need to know from those who control it - or think they can control it.
Long may Anonymous the idea thrive, because like it or not, if you have something to hide from the people you serve as a public servant in whatever capacity (from police officer to President), it will be exposed.
Operation Guillotine is in effect.
Does this offer any advantage over the already-established Freenet? Any at all?
Not Tor. Freenet.
A hidden service in Tor is centralized. Docs on Freenet are decentralized.
This is exactly what Freenet was designed for.
the interviewer, his CIA handler, and the IT staff. CIA handler: ask it what it's wearing! No, no! Ask him what his favorite "Hackers" character is. I bet it's Angelina Jolie. Interviewer and IT staff: Shaw! More like Jonny Lee Miller, nerd! IT Staff: OK... here's the headers for the first email reply... and. That's a Chinese IP. OK. CIA handler: Ooh! So he's in China. I knew it knew it! IT Staff: (wilting glare) IT Staff: OK, this one is from... Sheboygan, Wisconsin. Huh. CIA handler: (checks Blackberry). Oh. Nice. We have the Assange double in place. Opps! Did I say that out loud? IT Staff: OK, next email. That looks... OK. Where's the Start button on this stupid thing...? Anyone? OK.. ifconfig... it's the same IP!! CIA handler: ZOMG! He's here in the house!? IT Staff: Yeah. We're done here. Packing up. Later dudes, dudette.
What funding? I'd host it on every device I own. How many more Anons like me are there, again?
Posting signed, wince I'm in Belgium, in a small European country no one really important gives any shit about, and a with laws so localized they don't matter in teh world... I'm untouchable as far as the US DOJ is concerned.
Not that I'd concern them. Not when there are eighty millions of us. Extraterritoriality, it doesn't work for Kim Dotcom, but _I_'m not a superstar. So aren't all the other Anons, except the one scapegoat they always manage to tell the media to out as our "leader"... They'll never get it before we get their authority out of reality.
Making laws based on opinions that stem up from false informations leads to witch hunts.
The point everyone is missing is that Wikileaks does not just provide a technical service. They go through great lengths to protect the wistleblower by e.g. cleaning documents. Just publishing and keeping things online is reasonable easy. You don't need a technical solution, you need a process and you need to establish yourself as a trustworthy entity to be approached by whistleblowers.
NB: The message above might reflect my opinion right now, but not necessarily tomorrow or next year.
Despite a few humorous news stories, the Feds aren't stupid. So the age of insulting someone by calling them "tin foil hats" is fading. Off and on I am experimenting with pairing news stories with things like this one "Ooh New Shiny Service" with the followup story "Busted".
Having to live through the time delay in real time is becoming exhausting.
My first Journal Entry ever, in 8 years! http://slashdot.org/journal/365947/aphelion-scifi-fantasy-horror-poetry-webzine
...but under a different name.
You can hook up to it from a tor node, it's easy to find if you really want to see it. It has tons of information on just about anything, it's something of a nightmare as it has way too much info, and the search facilities sucks, but it is really endless. After reading stuff in there, I'm not surprised about anything anymore, sadly...don't go there if you like it where you are now. I wouldn't return there. Sometimes life IS better IN the matrix.
That sounds good on paper, but in reality, there will always need to be secrets. Running a spy agency is essential and needs to be secret. Development of new weapons programs need to be secret. There is a lot of data kept by governments which affects individual citizens, local areas or groups, and that, too, should be kept secret.
The "publicize it all and claim it's transparency" option is going to force governments to stop engaging in activities which are necessary for a modern state. The result will be that governments will farm those activities out to NGOs and mercenaries. Think about the consequences of that.