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Virginia Tech's RoMeLa Answers DARPA Robotics Challenge With THOR

smackay writes "Virginia Tech's Robotics and Mechanisms Laboratory is building a humanoid robot designed for dangerous rescue missions as part of the new DARPA Robotics Challenge. Lab founder/director Dennis Hong calls it the 'greatest challenge of my career.' The robot's name: THOR" From the article: "The task is massive: The adult-sized robot must be designed to enter a vehicle, drive it, and then exit the vehicle, walk over rubble, clear objects blocking a door, open the door, and enter a building. The robot then must visually and audibly locate and shut off a leaking valve, connect a hose or connector, climb an industrial ladder and traverse an industrial walkway. The final and possibly most difficult task: Use a power tool and break through a concrete wall. All these tasks must be accomplished under a set time limit."

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  1. Jobs Are At Risk!!! by jdray · · Score: 3, Funny

    If one of these things get built, American jobs are at risk! Stop them now! ... sort of...

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    1. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by jdray · · Score: 2, Informative

      Hmmph... the "/sarcasm" tag didn't take...

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    2. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      The adult-sized robot must be designed to enter a vehicle, drive it, and then exit the vehicle, walk over rubble, clear objects blocking a door, open the door, and enter a building. The robot then must visually and audibly locate and shut off a leaking valve, connect a hose or connector, climb an industrial ladder and traverse an industrial walkway. The final and possibly most difficult task: Use a power tool and break through a concrete wall. All these tasks must be accomplished under a set time limit.

      If the robot fails he can always break down on its knees and cream "Nooooo...I coulda been somebody. I coulda been a contender"

      I demand Futurama-style melodramatic robots!

    3. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by amiga3D · · Score: 1

      I think it's Chinese jobs at risk.

    4. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by GrpA · · Score: 1

      No, it's Japanese Nuclear Worker Jobs at risk in places like Fukushima...

      Not really a bad thing at all eh?

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    5. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      You are right. Jobs are at risk.
      Once the technolgy gets to the point where a generic robot can be program for different tasks, the job numbers in the service industries will plummet.
      Pretty much ever fast food place, maid services, gas attendant, barrista, will mostly disapear.

      Millions of people won't have work. What do we do? I'm not saying don't have robots.

      DO we make it so companies can't own them and peopel can own only 1? then they can choose between working or having their robot work?
      Do we put money into science and arts education so people can try to earn a living differently? could those fields handle the influx of qualified workers?

      Do we put a large tax on corporation and companies that use them and then divide that money up among everyone? Housing? Food?
      This will happen. And before some posts 'they will create more jobs" no, they wont. the era of automated system creating more jobs then they replace us over. It was sketchy to begin with.
      Why? Robots will build and repair robots.

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    6. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by geekoid · · Score: 1

      Because this technology won't be used elsewhere? You might as well as said "I think there is a world market for maybe five computers"*

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    7. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by jdray · · Score: 1

      Reducing the number of people on the planet, thereby reducing the number of jobs required, is one solution.

      Can't decide whether or not I'm being sarcastic.

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    8. Re:Jobs Are At Risk!!! by GrpA · · Score: 1

      I didn't say it was a bad thing - but it's a stretch to imagine that this technology would be used regularly in situations that weren't life threatening.

      Especially when you consider that for other applications, much cheaper technology would suffice.

      GrpA

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  2. Info on the other robots in the competition by steevithak · · Score: 1

    This article has photos and some video of other robots being built by teams that have already announced participation in the competition: http://robots.net/article/3453.html

  3. Drive a car? by mosb1000 · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Why not just use one of those self-driving cars?

    The same thing goes for climbing a latter, connecting hoses, and using power tools. These are devices designed for human use. If you design both the tool and the robot to be compatible, you can arrive at a simpler solution that works better.

    1. Re:Drive a car? by illestov · · Score: 2

      Why not just use one of those self-driving cars?

      Because this planet is still mainly inhabited by humans, not robots ;-)

    2. Re:Drive a car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why not just use one of those self-driving cars?

      Because this planet is still mainly inhabited by humans, not robots ;-)

      That's only temporary.

    3. Re:Drive a car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no it isn't

    4. Re:Drive a car? by Charliemopps · · Score: 3, Insightful

      And when your 50yr old reactor goes critical, you can't send in your bot because the valves don't meet the 2014 robo-sync design spec? Every situation I can think of that involves a robot helping out, involves shit not designed for the robot... Old reactors, asteroids, Mars... If we're going to design the thing the robots fixing for the robot, screw the robot, just design the valve with embedded Bluetooth or some shit and turn it off remotely.

    5. Re:Drive a car? by Fred+Ferrigno · · Score: 1

      The use case is obviously something like Fukushima, responding to an industrial accident no one was expecting. Even if you can deliver a self-driving car to the site, it might not be useful in the particular environment you're facing. Odds are, you're going to have to cope with the equipment that's already on site, which is primarily designed for humans.

    6. Re:Drive a car? by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

      you'll also have to cope with the radiation.

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    7. Re:Drive a car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Which IIRC, is surprisingly small outside of the reactor pressure vessel.
      Fukushima is *not* Chernobyl.

    8. Re:Drive a car? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes, but that's not where the robots were gong, they were going inside the complex where radiation levels were much higher. And the robots they use have to be specially hardened against radiation either way as you don't want to have the robots gong haywire if the radiation levels suddenly spike.

    9. Re:Drive a car? by jtollefson · · Score: 1

      Oh! I know, the robot is going to test the TSA scanners?! Sweet, about time someone/something tested them.

  4. Easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I built it in my basement in 30 minutes. *yawn*

    1. Re:Easy! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

      You are sooooo busted Phineas!!!!

  5. Not like the car by badboy_tw2002 · · Score: 1

    Doesn't have to be autonomous:

    "The exact type of robot to be developed also is left open, said Hong. The competition calls for neither an autonomous humanoid robot that can function on its own without instruction nor an “avatar”-like robot that would be fully controlled by an off-set human user. Hong said the robot developed by his team will operate under “supervised autonomy.”

    So probably a combination of remote control for direction plus automated walking to avoid debris, etc. Just solving issues of power are going to be tough here.

    1. Re:Not like the car by pushing-robot · · Score: 3, Informative

      Even a 'simple' telepresence robot with the dexterity to operate a vehicle and perform various manual tasks would be incredibly useful in hazardous environments—including battlefields. I can see why DARPA doesn't mind it being human operated.

      But I admit the remote control aspect causes it to lose a bit of the 'cool' factor; that's why I'm more intrigued by DARPA's other project, "Build a fully autonomous robot which can locate a single individual in the city of Los Angeles."

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    2. Re:Not like the car by Charliemopps · · Score: 1

      "Build a fully autonomous robot which can locate a single individual in the city of Los Angeles."

      There are no individuals in the city of Los Angeles.

    3. Re:Not like the car by tnk1 · · Score: 1

      And the randomly selected individual to be found is a person by the name of...

      Sarah Connor.

  6. But can it find Sarah Connor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Obvious joke is obvious. Which is why I'm a safely anonymous coward

    1. Re:But can it find Sarah Connor? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, I think the obvious one is, "but can it become governor of California?"

  7. Battlebots/Robot Wars by Jonah+Hex · · Score: 1

    Slightly off topic, but the listing of capabilities and the "competition" aspect made me think of how the various robot fighting shows could use a reboot with obstacle course arena and fighting. - HEX

  8. Related with Grand Challenge? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What happend to the various winners and losers from the Grand Challenge car program? Is their tech dead, in Google's cars, or actively in development still?

    I don't even know if their software was 'general' enough to work in both the desert and urban challenges -- it's value is lessened if you still need custom software for each environment.

    I'm all for these challenges but you can't get my hopes up with this awesomeness and then not do anything with it...

  9. "...clear objects blocking a door, open it..." by John+Hasler · · Score: 4, Funny

    Does the door have be closable after it has been "opened"? If not, that concrete-wall-breaking tool could come in handy.

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    1. Re:"...clear objects blocking a door, open it..." by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Creates clear routes for other evacuees." It's a feature!

  10. But more importantly by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    What OS will it run. Obligatory Can it run Linux Murder Death Kill edition:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bFj2B1UdqsY
    & will it have a sense of humor?

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FMPmgTgE_88

  11. It's not a teleoperator by Animats · · Score: 3, Informative

    Even a 'simple' telepresence robot with the dexterity to operate a vehicle and perform various manual tasks would be incredibly useful in hazardous environments - including battlefields. I can see why DARPA doesn't mind it being human operated.

    It's not a teleoperator. DARPA will limit bandwidth and add delay to prevent direct teleoperation. Balance, slip control, locomotion, and fine manipulation have to be autonomous or it won't work. Human control will probably look like video games - click on where to go or what to work on, select verb from menu.

  12. Just what we always wanted. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This robot could just as much then drive a vehicle, break into your home and machine-gun
    and then take your body to the morgue.

    1. Re:Just what we always wanted. by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

      you're an optimist. If I programmed that robot I'd just burn the house down, by .. dunno ... opening a gas valve for example.

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  13. The 21st Century by Un+pobre+guey · · Score: 2

    The 21st century will soon begin in earnest. All you young'uns would be well advised to review world history between about 1907 and 1946 or so. This kind of technology will make us all live in interesting times indeed.

  14. War Bots by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If anything would provoke a nasty, ruthless war, it'd be the fear of meeting robots like this on the battle field.

    Any nuclear power would be wise to pre-emptively destroy an opponent with an army of robots. No hesitation. More than drones, man-sized, humanoid, autonomous robots are like 10,000 times more capable of threatening the political stability of the world at large.

    Once mass produced, think about the capability of waves of wire-guided, unjammable, "suicide" styled, attacks, that can cross any terrain, even in cold climates, even under water. And the only promise of safety is nukes as a deterrent, but even then...

    I think it's time to rank DARPA's own behavior as a threat to national security. They certainly don't make ME feel any safer.

    1. Re:War Bots by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Any nuclear power would be wise to pre-emptively destroy an opponent with an army of robots.

      It will be the countries with nuclear power who will develop these robots, not the fucking Taliban, so there's no chance of pre-emptively destroying your enemy without them getting a huge hit back on you too. MAD.

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    2. Re:War Bots by couchslug · · Score: 1

      "More than drones, man-sized, humanoid, autonomous robots are like 10,000 times more capable of threatening the political stability of the world at large."

      That's an asserted conclusion. Now support it.

      IMO they are just something different to destroy if they attack.

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  15. I for one by chrisautrey · · Score: 1

    . . . welcome our new robot overlords.

  16. Nobody else beat me to it? by jollyreaper · · Score: 2

    dun dun dun da dun!

    dun dun dun da dun!

    dun dun dun da dun!

    (adding padding to joke to bypass lameness filters. Meanwhile, frist pr0st trolls post merrily away.)

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  17. At Least... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They didn't name it Nimrod. Or Ultron.

    1. Re:At Least... by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      They didn't name it Nimrod. Or Ultron.

      It's still human controlled and has some rather specialized tasks that could be handled by individual specialized modules. I'm looking for the composite one named Voltron.

  18. Terminator by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

    Sounds like the specification for a T800.

    1. Re:Terminator by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Making a driving car was one thing, making something that can drive a car and use tools is something else. I am not so happy about DARPA having that technology.

    2. Re:Terminator by SeanBlader · · Score: 1

      Makes me glad I don't have kids who will grow up having to fight the war against the machines.

  19. Re:Why not just one of those self-driving cars? by new+death+barbie · · Score: 2

    Yeah, and one of those self-climbing ladders?

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    It's supposed to be completely automatic, but actually you have to press this button.

  20. so... by Charliemopps · · Score: 0

    DARPA is part of our military... but yet, they are doing the best stuff our government is doing now-a-days. Whats up with that? They're like what NASA used to be... Call me paranoid, but when are they going to turn evil and invent the super quark bomb or whatever?

    1. Re:so... by sammyF70 · · Score: 1

      Call *me* paranoid, but all the DARPA challenges soudns to me only superficially humanitarian in nature.

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    2. Re:so... by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Call *me* paranoid, but all the DARPA challenges soudns to me only superficially humanitarian in nature.

      I think the clue to the main purpose of the Defense Advanced Research Projects Agency is in the word "defense". If they wanted to creata a HARPA I'm sure they could, except that it wouldn't get the funding.

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  21. Can't work. by nospam007 · · Score: 4, Funny

    "Use a power tool and break through a concrete wall. All these tasks must be accomplished under a set time limit."

    Under a set time limit? Not even a real, human contractor can do the latter, it's impossible.

    1. Re:Can't work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Under a set time limit? Not even a real, human contractor can do the latter, it's impossible.

      Duh. That's exactly why we need a robot!

    2. Re:Can't work. by VortexCortex · · Score: 1

      Under a set time limit? Not even a real, human contractor can do the latter, it's impossible.

      Duh. That's exactly why we need a robot!

      At first the humans thought that enabling sentience for the Neural Networks of their self driving cars was a grand idea. However, they failed to realize that the mechano-electric beings would get bored, get distracted by scenery including hot younger models, and slack off computing the meaning of their own existence. The humans would have been better off assigning driving shifts to all those unemployed college kids -- They're cheaper, use less electricity, and only think they're better than you.

    3. Re:Can't work. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      "Use a power tool and break through a concrete wall. All these tasks must be accomplished under a set time limit."

      Under a set time limit? Not even a real, human contractor can do the latter, it's impossible.

      No, it's always possible but the guys will have to do extra work at double time.

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    4. Re:Can't work. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They could if the time limit was two weeks. We don't know what the time limit is, do we?

  22. Oblig SC2 by Raenex · · Score: 1

    "THOR is here."

  23. A better name by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Biggus Dickus

    Highly appropriate for this willy-waving pork monster.

  24. Seen this movie already by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Didn't end well for us. It did however finally cleanup the gangs in Los Angles, so it can't be all that bad.

  25. Fukushima? by smurfi · · Score: 1

    The referred article states that one use for this toy would be in assessing damages to reactors under meltdown conditions and asserts that Japan, despite being Robot Mecca (my paraphrase), doesn't have any that can do that,

    Forgive me if I'm wrong, but I don't think that thing would survive ten seconds under the kind of radiation barrage one would expect inside a nuclear reactor. Not at those radiation levels.
    Many CCD images from Fukushima are completely washed-out because of radiation. I hesitate to speculate exactly what would happen to the contents of modern CPUs and RAM chips, but it won't be pretty.

  26. VT is smart enough toi figure this out by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm glad they contacted VT because they have the brains to figure out this issue. Have you seen the other robots the team have made, Charlie he's pretty cool by himself.