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Ask Slashdot: Funding Models For a Free E-book?

danspalding writes "I'm an adult education teacher in SF who wrote an e-book about how to teach adults. It will be available to download for free in January 2013. I Kickstarted enough money for editing, design and publicity, but not enough to pay me anything up front. I'm considering making a $1, $10 and $25 version available from Amazon as a way for folks to donate money to me, as well as a straight up PayPal link on my site. Is it possible to produce quality material for teachers to download for free in a way that's economically sustainable? Might readers accidentally pay for a copy without realizing there's a free download and get angry? And where should I host the free-to-download version?"

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  1. Make up your mind.... by banbeans · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Is it free or for profit? It can not be both.
    Either release it for free for the good of mankind and be happy or make it commercial and try and make money.
    If you try to make money off a free book you will be sadly disappointed.

    1. Re:Make up your mind.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      That's silly. Lots of things are done for free with the option to donate something to the author.

      I know the nasty "profit-is-evil" streak is about to rear its ugly head here... but before it does, I'd suggest there's nothing wrong with providing a mechanism for this. Just so long as he honors the original arrangement from the Kickstarter, first and foremost.

    2. Re:Make up your mind.... by mwvdlee · · Score: 2

      Not quite.
      If the price is right, I'd be willing to pay for a printed version of an otherwise free e-book.
      The question here is deciding which price is "right".

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    3. Re:Make up your mind.... by ath1901 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, it can be both. He's giving it away for free and asking for voluntary donations. I.e. it will be free and if people donate, he will make a profit.

      The last sentence also shows he is concerned about readers misunderstanding this model of free+donations and accidentally paying when they actually wanted it for free. It is a valid concern and it shows his heart is in the right place.

      I'm sorry I don't have any good advice but I hope someone else does. This type of initiative is what the world needs.

    4. Re:Make up your mind.... by Yvanhoe · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, if the kickstarter had been made factoring in a salary, it could have been both free AND for profit.

      Otherwise, look into a roleplaying game that was known to be commercial but also released under creative commons : Eclipse Phase. They sell the hardcover book, they sell the PDF, but you can distribute it freely. It is not hard to find, yet they manage to make a living this way.

      CC-nc may be the thing you are looking for...

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    5. Re:Make up your mind.... by smi.james.th · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Maybe just make it clear on the Amazon page that there is also a free version available?

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    6. Re:Make up your mind.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "but not enough to pay me"

      also the title is "funding models for a free ebook". I'm not sure if the author meant that he's an unemployed guy trying to make a buck or not, but thats how it sounds and the free being an angle - not the intention of donating his time for the cause.

    7. Re:Make up your mind.... by tehcyder · · Score: 4, Insightful

      That's silly. Lots of things are done for free with the option to donate something to the author.

      I know the nasty "profit-is-evil" streak is about to rear its ugly head here... but before it does, I'd suggest there's nothing wrong with providing a mechanism for this. Just so long as he honors the original arrangement from the Kickstarter, first and foremost.

      If he sells it for profit, he should return all the money he has received from Kickstarter, if that was raised on the basis of being funding for a free e-book that just needed to cover some up front costs.

      Otherwise, it's just fraud, which does not surprise me in the least since Kickstarter is involved. Profit is not bad in itself, but you shouldn't be able to mix up charitable donations and business funding, they're two separate things.

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    8. Re:Make up your mind.... by tehcyder · · Score: 2

      Actually, if the kickstarter had been made factoring in a salary, it could have been both free AND for profit.

      That is why I don't understand Kickstarter. If you want to give some random guy a few hundred quid to support him as he sits at home writing a book, I suppose that's up to you, but if there is no possible profit involved you shouldn't be allowed to treat it as a business transaction. It's just a donation to an individual who sounds ethically highly dubious.

      If you want to start an educational charity, fine, but do it properly, including complying with the laws about being a registered charity.

      Perhaps I am missing something, as Kickstarter seems to be loved by most people on slashdot, where all I can see is people conning money out of gullible well off geeks.

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    9. Re:Make up your mind.... by WolphFang · · Score: 2

      I currently make my Cherokee Language eBook evailable for free from my main website, and 2.99 for ebook for through any distribitors with no DRM option where possible. Haven't had people send me any nasty-grams. I get decent sales are on Amazon (for my very small, and lower income overall target audience).

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    10. Re:Make up your mind.... by LihTox · · Score: 2

      "I'm considering making a $1, $10 and $25 version available from Amazon as a way for folks to donate money to me"

      The author's asking for donations, not charging a mandatory fee. I've seen this model with concerts at churches etc, where they'll sponsor a free concert, but with a "suggested free-will offering".

    11. Re:Make up your mind.... by aicrules · · Score: 2

      So he said the book would be free in his kickstarter project. He made more than the necessary amount on kickstarter and now he wants to maybe make some money off of it. I would highly recommend that, if he wants to make money, he instead set another kickstarter project (perhaps even with a similar output) coinciding with the release of the book and set a higher goal so he can feed him/his family if that is what is needed.

    12. Re:Make up your mind.... by danspalding · · Score: 2

      To be clear, the e-book will always be available for a free download. I believe in making my work available to everyone who needs it, that's what my Kickstarter backers supported, and piracy always wins anyway. The question is, how can I generate revenue while a free version exists?

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    13. Re:Make up your mind.... by danspalding · · Score: 2

      That's exactly one of the models I'm thinking about. I'll take a close look at what you've been doing - especially if you say it's been successful without pissing anyone off.

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    14. Re:Make up your mind.... by ynp7 · · Score: 2

      I imagine the Amazon thing was to get it up on Amazon, for exposure. Multiple prices since he doesn't have the ability to put a Paypal link up on Amazon.

      This can actually cause problems since Amazon don't like duplicate content in their store. They'll very likely remove duplicates if it comes to their attention, without much (if any) consideration to which duplicates they would be removing. It also splits up reviews and sales rank, which isn't going to do much for helping your exposure.

      There's also not much point in having a $25 eBook on Kindle. With only the 35% royalty option available at this price point you're looking at less than $2 more in royalties over selling at $9.99, while asking the customer to pay an extra 15 bucks.

      Getting the book on Amazon for exposure is a good idea, but selling the same book at multiple price points doesn't really make sense. If it were my book I'd probably sell on Amazon at $9.99 and then offer other options on my website, since I don't think it's very likely that they'll price match a lower price offered direct from the author. If such a price match did occur that strategy would then need to be re-evaluated.

  2. Precisely by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Either is fine. There's nothing wrong with wanting to make money. We all need to eat, need to pay the mortgage, and all that shit. However you have to decide with various projects if they are to be free or not. Trying to mix it is never going to work out for you.

    So far, Kickstarter has done its job: You got the money to do the project. That's all it really is for. If you deliver the project to your backers, you've fulfilled your obligation and they'll be happy. After that? Well that's up to you.

    You can decide to make it free to the world. That's a nice thing to do for the world, but you'll get almost no money. Asking for donations generally doesn't result in much, people tend to donate their money to larger causes/organizations. Reactions from your backers will be mixed, some might be irked about having paid for something that is now free, others will like what you are doing. Either way doesn't matter, you met your obligation to them.

    You can also decide you'd like money from it. The backers got their copy due to their backing, now the rest of the world needs to pony up cash if they'd also like a copy. Many KS projects do this. The Kickstarter is to get the shit up and running, then any sales after that are profit.

    So figure out what you want more, and then go with it. It is all up to you. Just don't try to do both or it'll work poorly.

  3. Re: It would be better if the asker could respond by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Insightful

    I noticed some back there's a mediocre rate of these Ask Slashdot Askers actually ever coming to post in their own threads. I feel insulted posting notes to questions when they are not read by the Asker.

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  4. Release it now, as a "Beta". by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 4, Interesting

    If it's already written, then you're ready to go viral. We don't want to wait until January. That's not how the modern release cycle works anymore. Release it as a "Beta", with further editing to come later. What's this about funds for "Publicity"? You just nailed an Ask Slashdot, so here we are!

    And what's the license? I would like for once to see texts released in one of the Creative Commons licenses, and not the straight "Copyright ___". You say your text is about teaching adults, right? So why not go with the pure "By" (Attribution) license, where you freely allow mashups and chopping and all that fun stuff that used to be praised as "Active Learning". If you try to lock down your exact words it sends a chill related to the basic school methodology of "I am the teacher, so be quiet and listen."

    Meanwhile, precisely why are you asking where to host it? Isn't that what Web Hosts are for?

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    1. Re:Release it now, as a "Beta". by Formalin · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why not BY-SA?

      That freely allows mashups and chopping, but they have to release it under the same licence.

  5. Black or white, off or on... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    College professors and dimming switch companies hate folks like you, but every priest is sure to love you.

  6. Re:Free? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    I think the Kickstarter campaign is at http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/teachrdan/how-to-teach-adults-a-free-beautiful-e-book

    A quick skim of the pledge rewards gives

    1. Recognition in the ebook.
    2. A handwritten thank you note.
    3. A special copy of the ebook with a different cover.
    4. Teaching diagrams.
    5. A printed copy of the book.
    6. A 30-minute, one hour, or five hour interview with the author via Skype.

    To get back to the question asked, Amazon will pay participants in their lending library a fee when their books are downloaded. Also, Amazon offers print on demand services.

    Can I point out that it makes more sense to me if you treat the book as an advertising expense? Then sell advisory services. Or create an advertising-supported website where you can offer advisory services. This would be more consistent with how open source software is funded. One usually gets the software for free but pays for related services, like installation and custom modifications.

  7. Amazons 70%.. by DeBaas · · Score: 2

    Note that if you want to get Amazon's 70% royalty instead of 35%, you can't offer it somewhere else for cheaper. I am not certain if that means you can't give it away as well, but I'd make sure.

    And 35% in my view is a bit low to offer it as a way of donating. Although of course the volume of sales may be larger and you probably reach customers you'd otherwise not reach.

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    1. Re:Amazons 70%.. by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 2

      If Amazon discovers your ebook is available for cheaper (say, free...) they have the right under your contract with them to mark down your ebook to that price... and they will.

      So not sure how the author's proposed model works, once Amazon discovers the free version, the paid version is going to be listed as free as well.

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    2. Re:Amazons 70%.. by danspalding · · Score: 2

      I did not know that Amazon doubled their commission if the same book is available for less elsewhere. Do you think they'd still charge the 70% if I added a little bonus content to the paid Amazon version? I'm thinking a short chapter on how I design curriculum, etc.

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  8. Check Pro-Git by Pastis · · Score: 4, Informative

    Free ebook, paying print version. http://git-scm.com/book

    1. Re:Check Pro-Git by metrometro · · Score: 2

      Free open ebook, paying in the Amazon/Apple closed ecosystem.

  9. 10 ways to monetize ebooks by All_One_Mind · · Score: 5, Informative
    I've made some spare money writing and marketing ebooks, but I moved onto greener pastures long ago. Some of the business strategies or ideas I have had monetizing ebooks:
    • 1. Embed affiliate links to other books within the ebook
    • 2. Offer additional content that supplements the ebook for a small donation
    • 3. Require an email address/newsletter subscription before sending the free ebook, and then try and monetize through the newsletters
    • 4. Offer physical copies of the book for a fee
    • 5. Break the ebook up into smaller parts for an email newsletter series, and monetize in the newsletter
    • 6. Pledge to write additional material as certain fundraising goals are met
    • 7 .Turn the ebook into a mutipage website and populate with Google Ads
    • 8. Sell resale rights, PLR, etc.
    • 9. Initially sell the ebook only, and then unlock it for free for all people after $xxxx has been raised
    • 10. Write additional non-free books/ebooks and then use your free ebooks to advertise the pay books

    Now I know many of these are not applicable to OP, but it's what worked for me before I moved onto writing GPL software instead of ebooks.

  10. "free in a way that's economically sustainable" by Neil_Brown · · Score: 4, Insightful

    My view is that, if the book is the only thing you have, then, no, you cannot give it away in a way which makes money, other than asking (hoping) for donations. You may be able to ask in such a way that it encourages donations — I've no idea, but perhaps there's some research / advice on this — but, at the end of the day, you are still only requesting. Where you need to look, in my opinion, is how you could use your book to make money. If the book was one part of a wider means of making money, then you may well be able to make money from the wider model whilst giving the book away for free — the book becomes a piece of marketing for your actual revenue-making products / services.

    Could you offer a printed version, at a price? Would some people pay for a hard copy version, rather than be reliant on something on their computer? If so, is there enough scope in the price of a printed version that, once set, produced, printed and shipped, there's still some money in it for you?

    Does someone wishing to implement your book need any consumables which you could sell? Printed templates for class activities and so on? Access to a downloadable library of customisable templates, if not physical templates to be shipped to them?

    Could you make money if the book was less free? Rather than releasing it "for free," you could release it under a partly-free licence (such as the Creative Commons BY-NC-ND), and charge for commercial re-use of the work (e.g. someone using excerpts in other textbooks and so on (where this would be more than non-infringing / fair use))?

    Is there any value in offering your time/services to readers? Much like the open source support model, the code/book is there for free, but, if you need a hand with something in particular, such as working out how to implement your technique in a particular environment, or designing something for a particular school, even devising a taught course to train teachers, you pay for support. A consultation via Skype may well be desirable to some people, even running an actual course in person?

  11. I'm an author who posts their books for free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I'm an author who posts their books for free. I can afford too: I have a regular 9-5 job and just do this in my spare time. I'm actually an academic and so I use it to build my reputation. I have a PayPal and a Flattr link on my book pages, and I've made ... about $150 so far on my latest book - not enough to live on!

    But the reason I did it that way was because of the freedom I gained. I had two books published the traditional way and the first was a horrible process driven by the publisher and the reviewers. The second was better, but I had to work hard at convincing the publisher that Interleaf was a valid document processing tool. For the third, I gave up on them and just "did my own thing," publishing alpha then beta versions over many months. So I got a presence almost from the beginning, without having to wait for the publisher's impramatur. Finally a publisher came to me to produce a paper version, and that was a much more pleasant version. Note that the publisher came to me because of the reputation I had built up by making the book open source!

    So look at your goals and what you want to achieve. If you've got a writing itch that you want to scratch, then open content is a good way to go. If you want to make money, well, 99% of authors don't make a cent anyway! If you want to build reputation for use in getting invited talks, guru status, etc, then write a good well-regarded book - and get it out into the open as soon as you can.

    1. Re:I'm an author who posts their books for free by danspalding · · Score: 3, Informative

      The freedom was a huge incentive. If nothing else, I get to make my book beautiful, while other educational publishers are putting some of the fugliest covers on god's green earth on their author's books. (Think I exaggerate? Look at this. Just look at it.) With this project no one made me change the focus, or put in language I didn't like, or otherwise force a change for no good reason. If nothing else I'll have more leverage going into a traditional publishing situation next time, because I won't be a first-time author anymore.

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  12. The Kickstarter listing by Neil_Brown · · Score: 3, Informative

    In case seeing Dan's Kickstarter listing might help inform the debate.

  13. Pay what you want? by kubajz · · Score: 2

    When I read your post I realized that I would like to pay something between your suggested $1 and $10. And each time you give that choice to one of your customers they will pay less than what they're willing to, not more. If you're able to offer a "pay what you want" option (but require to pay at least $0.01) you can rest assured that many of your customers will go higher than the "pre-set" options you might offer them. Not a complete solution but at least my 2 cents.

  14. offer a printed version by davecb · · Score: 4, Informative

    O'Reilly discovered that people will pay real money for a printed copy even when they get an electronic copy of the book free. "Using Samba" was and is distributed free with the "Samba" SMB server program, through the initiative of my editor, Andy Oram, and the book went from a distant third on the subject to one of the company's top sellers of the year.

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  15. Re:Free? by danspalding · · Score: 2

    Thanks for actually checking my Kickstarter page, although it's on me for not realizing my post had made Ask Slashdot. I'm definitely going to use this book as a way to put myself out there as an education consultant. I don't know if I'll ever have enough high-traffic content to support an ad-based webs site, but that sounds intriguing, too. I've been deeply inspired by the open source movement - I've been running Linux since 2001 - bit adapting it to what I have to offer has been a challenge.

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  16. Re:purchased for free. by danspalding · · Score: 2

    Honestly? I think I'd be pissed, too. If I go that route I'll try to make it extra clear in the product description - and besides, if anyone hears about my e-book, they first think they'll probably hear is that it's available for free.

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  17. Re: It would be better if the asker could respond by Quirkz · · Score: 2

    This is correct. I asked a question a while back, and had no warning when the article was actually approved and posted. By the time I noticed (just a few hours later) I tried replying and adding with details, but by that point it didn't seem like my follow-ups were noticed.

  18. Re: It would be better if the asker could respond by danspalding · · Score: 2

    My experience, too. I submitted this question last night and only found out it got posted when I got a message from a kind soul who went by "Poo Poop" telling me I was already on Slashdot. Because I happened to be up at 6am (getting ready to teach at 8) I was able to get a few posts in, but only after about 70 other folks beat me to it. A few of those early posts - including some by folks who didn't seem to read my question clearly - got modded up to 5 by the time I logged in. Even after I replied to them to clarify, later posters are only replying to those original, misunderstood posts, not to my clarifications. Maybe in the future Slashdot could give you a 1-hour heads up that your question is about to go live? If I had had some warning, and this post had gone up during PST business hours, I think the quality of information would've gone up dramatically.

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