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France Applies Tax Pressure To Google For Republishing News Snippets

Qedward writes "France may introduce a law to make Google pay to republish news snippets if it doesn't strike a deal with French news publishers before the end of the year, the office of French President François Hollande said. French publishers want to share in the revenue that Google earns from advertising displayed alongside their news snippets in search results. Readers are often satisfied by reading the headline and summary published by Google News, and don't feel the need to click through to the news site, the publishers say. In this way, Google profits and the content creators don't. The publishers want to be able to charge Google to compensate them for ad revenue losses."

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  1. Banned from Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The French really want to be removed from the internet...

    1. Re:Banned from Google? by poetmatt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Not quite. They want to get paid by force since they haven't tried to earn money via adapting to changes to technology.

    2. Re:Banned from Google? by Joce640k · · Score: 5, Informative

      I wonder if they've ever heard of "robots.txt"?

      Last I heard, Google was honoring it....

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    3. Re:Banned from Google? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      ... Erm, yes! What do you think URL's are!?

      Just because I'm not in the Phone book doesn't mean people can't call me.

      If your business revolved around people calling you it means your business would probably fail.

    4. Re:Banned from Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I wonder if they've ever heard of "robots.txt"?

      Last I heard, Google was honoring it....

      But then they would get zero money and disappear from google search's results. What they want is being indexed by google *and* being payed for it (because google displays there content on google news).

      robots.txt doesn't allow this.

    5. Re:Banned from Google? by kelemvor4 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I wonder if they've ever heard of "robots.txt"?

      Last I heard, Google was honoring it....

      That would work fine if they wanted to be removed from the index. They want to receive Google's indexing service free and they also want Google to pay them for the privilege of giving them free indexing services. I bet if Google dropped them from the indexes for a few weeks, they'd be begging to get back in.

    6. Re:Banned from Google? by jalopezp · · Score: 3, Interesting

      The French newspapers know what they're doing. They don't want to be unlisted from Google, that would be a terrible idea. If you're not listed in the largest search engine, no one can find you and you're in trouble. But if they all threaten to unlist together, then it's Google who is in trouble in France. Google is in the business of linking people to content, and it can't do that without any content, so the newspapers (as long as they act together, and especially if the government backs them) have a foothold to bargain with Google. If Google wants to keep its share of the French market, it can't afford to lose the news agencies - little as it may care about losing just one.

      That said though, I don't think Google will have to pay. Sense will prevail in the end.

    7. Re:Banned from Google? by CCarrot · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Search engines are not the internet. Google is not the only search engine.

      Indeed, but who says they won't try to strongarm the other major search providers the same way? It's the same logic chain : "hey, you're making money off of showing people some of our content, we want a piece!" Want to take wagers on how many search providers will agree to that? They're already providing these paranoid schmucks with a valuable service by indexing their content and making it available to inquiring netizens across the globe, why would they then agree to pay to provide this service?

      The French content providers could simply request that Google and other search providers only show the headline with no summary info, that would seem to work. Trouble is, if you don't show the end user enough to confirm that your article has the info they're looking for, they'll just move on to the next item in the search results. I guess that's simply the consequences of greed.

      These guys had better be confident in the fidelity and longevity of their already subscribed user base, otherwise they're shooting themselves in the foot with this move.

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    8. Re:Banned from Google? by icebraining · · Score: 5, Informative

      Google does let you index block just the News bot without blocking Search; you just have to setup different rules for the "Googlebot" and the "Googlebot-News" useragent. (It's the same bot, but it complies with both rules if they're defined).

    9. Re:Banned from Google? by icebraining · · Score: 3, Informative

      You can configure robots.txt to block Google News and not Search, Google has two different user-agents just for that.

      They're just rent seeking, that's all.

    10. Re:Banned from Google? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      I see, you didn't ever visit Google News too.

      I mean, yeah, right:

      Review: 'Assassin's Creed III' a powerful sequelUSA TODAY - 49 minutes ago

      A scene from 'Assassin's Creed III.' (Photo: Ubisoft). 12:40PM EDT October 30. 2012 - These poachers picked the wrong place to hunt.

      Yup, got all I've needed from Google. Ok, let's pick another one:

      Syrian air force on offensive after failed truceReuters - 1 hour ago

      1 of 5. Smoke rises from what activists say was a missile fired by a Syrian Air Force fighter jet loyal to Syria's President Bashar al-Assad at Erbeen, near Damascus October 29, 2012.

      Got all I need! I know exactly where the strikes were - in Syria! No need to know about what city, what scale, what consequences, Google told me everything.

      Or this one:

      Celtics' Doc Rivers won't reveal starting power forwardUSA TODAY - 34 minutes ago

      Comments. Boston Celtics coach Doc River has several candidates to open at power forward Tuesday against the Miami Heat. Jared Sullinger 10-30-12.

      Who cares who are those candidates? Google told me everything - they've got canditates and there's several of them! No need to find out who are they at all.

      Next one:

      Hurricane Sandy: What's Climate Change got to do With It?ABC News - 17 minutes ago

      This photo provided by 6abc Action News shows the Inlet section of Atlantic City, N.J., as Hurricane Sandy makes it approach, Monday Oct. 29, 2012.

      See, they've posted the answer to the headline's question right there in the summary! Nope, not visiting that article, no need to.

      TL;DR: you can't be arsed to visit the site you're bashing. Well, I can't blame you, facts kinda get in the way of a good bashing.

  2. If it's really just snippets by WOOFYGOOFY · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If it's really just snippets of a larger value proposition that people are allegedly willing to pay for, then I think this is better known elsewhere in the world as "free advertising".

    Sorry France. Love your healthcare system, but this is just silly.

  3. Here's a hint by gman003 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If people can get all they want out of a headline and a paragraph, maybe you should focus on making the article have more *content* and less fluff.

    1. Re:Here's a hint by HexaByte · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Yes, indeed. Will these newspapers now put their publications behind darkened glass paper dispensers, so that no one will just look at the headline and decide no to buy it?

      "We want free advertising of our product, but don't want you to make any money doing it for us!" Google should consider charging them for advertising they're giving them.

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    2. Re:Here's a hint by Baron_Yam · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Google should consider charging them for advertising they're giving them"

      I like this solution. Google should announce that they will be billing back any fees levied in France against the newspapers they index, plus a bit for administrative overhead. Any paper that doesn't like it can be banned from Google's index.

  4. The French will come back by SternisheFan · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I use GoogleNews, and it's a great way to learn about the world. Newspapers from different countries have made the same complaint as French papers are doing now. A few weeks/months later, after they see their website 'hits' go way down, they ask to be part of GopgleNews again. I expect the same is going to happen here.

  5. Google.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Should just drop their sites from their search results,

  6. Minitel by alexander_686 · · Score: 4, Funny

    That's o.k. - They still have Minitel.

    1. Re:Minitel by jmauro · · Score: 4, Informative

      Nope. It shut down on 30 June 2012

  7. But what about Mutual Benefits by happy_place · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I wouldn't know the majority of news sites if it weren't for Google's aggregation. So I wouldn't click their sites at all. This seems like they're wanting compensation for something that already compensates them by listing them and making their site more visible.

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    1. Re:But what about Mutual Benefits by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      I wouldn't know the majority of news sites if it weren't for Google's aggregation. So I wouldn't click their sites at all. This seems like they're wanting compensation for something that already compensates them by listing them and making their site more visible.

      Actually the payment should flow both ways. If the French (and Belgian, and German) Publishers want to free-ride google and charge google for the pleasure, then I don't really see why google shouldn't charge them for the privilege. Could get to be quite fun.

    2. Re:But what about Mutual Benefits by Attila+Dimedici · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Except of course that most people who read the article have never even heard of the paper before seeing it listed on Google.

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  8. Don't see the argument really by krelvin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If a site doesn't want Google to make money off of their content headlines... then they can easily opt out of having Google pick up their data and index it.

    But NO... they WANT the exposure and get a cut too.... if the law is passed, cut them off. Simple

  9. robots.txt by kenorland · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Maybe newspapers who don't want to get republished by Google should learn about "robots.txt"? Granted, it's more than a decade old, but it still works.

    1. Re:robots.txt by Uberbah · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Google is a megacorp of the kind that people protest all the time.

      No. They're not.

      Is Google getting billions in taxpayer subsidies like oil companies? No. Is Google getting billions in taxpayer bailouts after blowing their assets on get rich schemes? No. Is Google a monopoly ripping off their customers? No.

      Do you have an actual point here? No.

    2. Re:robots.txt by jjo · · Score: 3

      Just because Google has been staggeringly popilar, and therefore has a lot of money, does not mean that French newspapers are entitled to some of that money. Google is offering two choices: let Google index your site for free, or tell Google to leave you alone. Google is OK with either option. Why, pray tell, is Google obliged to index a site and pay for the privilege?

  10. Re:The usual black and white responses by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Sounds good. And the newspapers can share some of the profit they make from Google pointing people toward their stories, then everyone wins.

  11. Hollande's strategy: sneaky taxes. by CharmElCheikh · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Francois Hollande's government has been pulling new creative taxes out of their asses for a little while now. That one's completely silly but it's not the only one. Another one is a new tax on beer. I guess that's how he figures he will raise France problems: raising even more taxes, yey! That's new and usually very popular, right? The fact that it's very sneaky could have worked... if people didn't notice. Some taxes are too silly to get unnoticed. Some others are surfacing up, like a new 15% tax on rents. People are getting pissed. He'd better put these taxes to EXCELLENT, EXCELLENT use or else he's out at next election.

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  12. Re:Avoiding the real question by 0123456 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Maybe if the average newspaper contained 'content' which wasn't freely available on the web or had more intellectual content than 'Temporary Star X has bought a new dress', people might be willing to pay for them.

  13. Re:The right to be stupid by sFurbo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    They own the copyrights to the material they write, and should be able to (try to) charge for others, including Google, to use that.

    No, they should be able to stop Google from using it if they don't like the terms. If only there was some easy way to politely tell Google not to index certain pages. Then the french newspapers could do that, if they don't want certain readers to read what they have freely put on the web.

  14. Re:Monopoly muscles by jjo · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The problem is not forcing Google to index these papers, but forcing them to index and then forcing them to pay for the privilege. The French newspapers seem to be saying that Google listings are tremendously damaging to their business, and Google must therefore pay compensation. The newspapers seem also to be saying that this is very valuable damage, so valuable that Google must be forced to continue damaging them. Sounds a little inconsistent to me.