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Supreme Court Hearing Case On Drug-Sniffing Dog "Fishing Expeditions"

sgunhouse writes "Wired is running an article on a Supreme Court challenge (well, actually two of them) to the use of drug-sniffing dogs. The first case discussed involved Florida police using a drug-sniffing dog as a basis for searching a suspected drug dealer's home. The court in Florida excluded the evidence obtained from the search, saying a warrant should be required for that sort of use of a dog. Personally, I agree — police have no right to parade a dog around on private property on a 'fishing expedition', same as they need a warrant to use a thermal imaging device to search for grow houses. I have no use for recreational drugs, but they had better have a warrant if they want to bring a dog onto my property."

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  1. Re:police should be reactive by Krneki · · Score: 5, Insightful
    This is another problem, just legalize it and stop wasting taxpayer money on chasing ghosts while at the same time cut the income of organized crime.

    The organized crime will do far more damage then any pot smoker anyway.

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  2. Where to draw the line by N1AK · · Score: 5, Insightful

    As much as I find it hard to motivate myself to defend the police, it isn't up to them to set the law or decide which laws they decide to enforce. Your government, and the general population, deserve the blame for anything wrong with that.

    As to whether getting a warrant based on a sniffer dog is right. It really is hard to say; personally I think there should be a standard of a reasonable expectation of privacy but that becomes very hard to define. If a police officer overheard a conversation about bomb making through an open window when passing should it not be investigated? How about a large quantity of peroxide bottles left next to a bin visible at the side of the house. If a dog trained to detect explosives goes batshit crazy outside of a house should it be ignored? Most people accept that things that can be seen or heard from public property aren't private; how about if they are only visible/audible if using advanced equipment and manipulation (to for example filter sound). Is a smell emanating from a property supposed to be ignored? I doubt the police officer who ignored a strong burning smell and left someone to die would be praised.

    1. Re:Where to draw the line by serviscope_minor · · Score: 5, Insightful

      it isn't up to them to set the law or decide which laws they decide to enforce.

      The hell it isnt. The police are moral actors and "just following orders" is not and has never been an acceptable excuse.

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  3. Re:Warrant for looking at your house with IR? by symbolset · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's a difficult problem in the US. Although marijuana is illegal here it is by far the number one cash crop in the US - ahead of wheat, barley, corn, soybeans and everything else. It is also one of our largest imports and a significant portion of our balance of international trade. Somehow we have not learned the lessons of prohibition.

    I don't care for the product myself but man, this is crazy.

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  4. Re:USA Land of Crime by Phreakiture · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It's pretty simple, really. Throwing out evidence that was illegally acquired is the only tool available to ensure that evidence is not illegally acquired. After a team of police officers, investigators and lawyers have been working on a case, putting their efforts into it, they do not want to have the case fall apart, so there is, theoretically, some peer pressure on them not to screw up the evidence.

    Without this incentive not to break the law, we would have police going house to house, knocking on doors, busting down the doors that don't open to them, and performing full-house searches, just looking for something, anything, to create criminal cases on. We had this in our pre-revolutionary state, and our Constitution was written to prevent it, amongst other abuses.

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  5. Re:Did the cop got fired? by gazbo · · Score: 5, Insightful
  6. Re:Did the cop got fired? by Dr+Damage+I · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The dogs are entirely capable of alerting based not on the presence of anything illegal but based on it's handlers desire that it do so. One of the issues under consideration is exactly how accurate does a dog need to be to generate probable cause: police don't often record false positives, so there is no way of knowing if the dogs alert is evidence of anything other than the handlers state of mind.

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  7. Re:As good as lie detectors? by pehrs · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Congratulations, this must be one of the more ignorant comments I have seen on Slashdot in a long while.

    Dogs have an almost insanely good sense of smell. For a dog to smell a bag of narcotics is about as hard as for you to smell if somebody opened a bottle of ammonia under your nose. The big problem is getting the smell out of your nose.

    Training a drug sniffing (or any type of ID dog) involves teaching the dog first to identify a number of substances and then "mark" them. Marking is typically done either by the dog freezing and pointing with the nose, or sitting down. For a dog to be qualified you have a number of tests. Tests here involves the dog having to search 12 people, some of whom who may carry narcotics. Those not carrying narcotics get identical objects to hide on their persons. The handler, and the person holding the object, does not know if it is the real deal or not until after the test. If the dog misses a person, or marks the wrong person, it, and the handler, fails to qualify. And, yes, it's not unusual with a lineup where nobody carries anything.

    A similar test often used is when a luggage band at an airport, where the dog must mark the specific bags containing explosives or narcotics. So the dogs and handlers certainly have to prove that they are able both to identify the substance and and that they know when it's not there.

    Dogs are not infallible.They get tired, bored and exhausted just like their handlers. But it's not just a matter of a 'trained' officer having an 'opinion' about if the dog found something.

  8. Re:Did the cop got fired? by digitig · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you aren't doing anything illegal, you have nothing to worry about

    If you aren't doing anything illegal and the present and all future authorities are completely benign and the present and all future authorities never make mistakes, you have nothing to worry about..

    Worried yet?

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  9. Re:Did the cop got fired? by TheCarp · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thanks for posting that, as I was reading comments I clearly remembered reading studies on dog based detection and particularly the ones talked about here (lol only 21 of 144 walkthroughs successfully detected nothing, with the rest generating an average of around 2 false positives per search!)

    These numbers say to me that these dogs are little more than props which give excuses. A sort of dowsing rod for drugs.

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