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Wireless Power Over Distance: Just a Parlor Trick?

Lucas123 writes "Companies like U.S.-based WiTricity and China-based 3DVOX Technology claim patents and products to wirelessly powering anything from many feet away — from smart phones and televisions to electric cars by using charging pads embedded in concrete. But more than one industry standards group promoting magnetic induction and short-distance resonance wireless charging say such technology is useless; Charging anything at distances greater than the diameter of a magnetic coil is an inefficient use of power. For example, Menno Treffers, chairman of the Wireless Power Consortium, says you can broadcast wireless power over six feet, but the charge received will be less than 10% of the source. WiTricity and 3DVOX, however, are fighting those claims with demonstrations showing their products are capable of resonating the majority of source power."

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  1. this rock you rounded off is useless by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    i mean, the amount of effort it took you to make that rock round and then roll a log over it? you could have carried 10 logs in that time. quit with the making new shit, gorg, it isn't useful at all and it isn't like anyone will ever find a way to improve on it. ...
    oh, nice vette, gorg.

  2. As it was before by MakerDusk · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Back in the day, Tesla had achieved even greater success. Though if you can charge from anywhere, how can you be billed? That is what will permanently stop this type of technology.

  3. Re:Tesla by Pentium100 · · Score: 5, Informative

    You also have to consider the efficiency. Running a 1GW power plant just to light a 100W light bulb a few kilometers away does not seem a good idea.

    Yes, it is possible to transfer power without wires - radio has been doing it for a long time (a simple crystal radio set does not need any power other than what it gets from the antenna, but you'd better have some sensitive headphones, a big antenna and a station that is relatively close). The problem is transferring a lot of power efficiently and without huge antennas.

  4. No it isn't by Sycraft-fu · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The problem is inefficiency. Power drops with the square of distance. That means you need a bigass transmission source to get a small amount of power any distance away, hence why things like FM stations have 5 digit wattage transmitters.

    Yes we have been able to transmit power wirelessly for a long time, no it is NOT practical or efficient. If you are enthralled with Tesla, spend some time reading some actual books on him, not just the silly piece by the Oatmeal. He was a fascinating man and worth your time to learn about, but you need to learn about him if you want to go spouting off.

    He didn't invent some magic transmission technology we can't replicate, he invented an inefficient transmission technology that we can replicate, but don't, because he was not able to solve the efficiency problems (and it may not be physically possible to).

    1. Re:No it isn't by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

      ever heard of lasers?

      Or optical masers, as they used to be called!

      how about a radio wavelength laser?

      So, regular masers, then?

      Okay, cool.

      Now go read about diffraction, and see if you can realize that lasers, masers, etc. aren't magic, and that every finite beam loses power like 1/r^2 in the far field.

  5. Re:No difference between power and radio by skids · · Score: 5, Insightful

    If you don't make your power signal directional, most of the power is just gonna leak away into the atmosphere.

    This is not how these devices are supposed to work... that is to say, this is not the same as radio. It's a near-field, not radiative, effect. Most of the power that does not go into the receiver returns to the transmitter as part of the resonant oscillation (via a collapsing magnetic field.) Some will be lost to fringing, but the percent lost to that per oscillation is much lower than the percent absorbed by a properly tuned receiver, by design.

    Not that I'd advocate this for consumer use, it will still be less efficient than a wire, and I'd rather see consumers suck it up and run a wire where appropriate instead of finding yet one more way to waste energy and pile ruin on our planet. However there may be some very productive niche uses.

  6. Re:What about the dangers? Does it cause cancer? by metaconcept · · Score: 5, Informative
    From the very PDF you link to, Question 1, right at the beginning:

    • the more recent epidemiological studies show little evidence that either power lines or "electrical occupations" are associated with an increase in cancer (see Q19);
    • laboratory studies have shown little evidence of a link between power-frequency fields and cancer (see Q16);
    • an extensive series of studies have shown that life-time exposure of animals to power-frequency magnetic fields does not cause cancer (see Q16B);
    • a connection between power line fields and cancer is physically implausible (see Q18).

    ... Overall, most scientists consider that the evidence that power line fields cause or contribute to cancer is weak to nonexistent.

    (Emphasis mine.)