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Constant Technology Use May Hamper Kids' Ability To Learn

hessian writes "Scholars who study the role of media in society say no long-term studies have been done that adequately show how and if student attention span has changed because of the use of digital technology. But there is mounting indirect evidence that constant use of technology can affect behavior, particularly in developing brains, because of heavy stimulation and rapid shifts in attention."

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  1. paywalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Redundant

    awesome link.

    1. Re:paywalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They want you to be patient, When you get together some extra money to pay for entry, you can read the article.

    2. Re:paywalled by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 4, Funny

      awesome link.

      Don't worry, in ten seconds, you'll click to a link to a completely different topic that will catch your eye and you'll forget this.

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    3. Re:paywalled by K.+S.+Kyosuke · · Score: 1

      (On a link, of course.)

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      Ezekiel 23:20
    4. Re:paywalled by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > They want you to be patient, When you get together some extra money to pay for entry, you can read the article.

      Seems fair. And since one has to wait for the money to be gathered, why not read something meanwhile... like, say, the entire internet?

      And people wonder why newspapers are going the way of the dodo... and you know what? Papers have always been on the cheap side -- where I live, books have always been expensive, but a small 4 year old kid could learn to read by watching his father with the newspaper.

      Now they think hiding content is a great idea. Yeah, ask users to register, it will help a lot.

  2. MIT found something different by hawks5999 · · Score: 5, Interesting
    1. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      No, it says the same thing.

      Within five days, they were using 47 apps per child, per day

      The study was looking at student attention spans and brain development, not specifically if those changes hamper learning (right from the summary, ignoring the trolling /. headline). Using all those different apps means they're switching attention that much more often and they only have ONE piece of technology. Constant technology use includes being surrounded by TV, ads designed to grab your attention, cell phones with direct connections to constantly changing media feeds (you don't want to miss anything), laptops, tablets, eBook readers, hand held games, warning systems, etc...

      Oh and by running that experiment, MIT is destroying that tribe's culture and they plan to mess with more just to see what happens. Research/Trying to play god like that should be outlawed.

    2. Re:MIT found something different by Riceballsan · · Score: 2

      I believe the constant is a factor in this. While I'm no expert on solar based tablets, I have a feeling that their off time is larger then their on time, as well we are talking 1. systems loaded with pretty much all educational software, no wifi etc... in a location in which there are absolutely no teachers or other means tech > nothing, while systems with non-educational software, endless instant gratification games etc... doing so can cause your attention span to be shorter, when dealing with teachers and methods of learning that may be superior to a system with educational games. I see no conflict in the 2 articles at all, the tablets were never claimed to be superior to a real teacher, and in the first world the biggest factor is they distract from teachers (Of which the Etheopian's in the experience didn't have access to anyway).

    3. Re:MIT found something different by Pseudonym · · Score: 2

      If we have leaned nothing else from seven seasons of TNG and seven seasons of Voyager, it's that the Prime Directive never makes it clear what course of action is correct.

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      sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f(q{sub f{($f)=@_;print"$f(q{$f});";}f});
    4. Re:MIT found something different by Riceballsan · · Score: 4, Insightful

      "Oh and by running that experiment, MIT is destroying that tribe's culture and they plan to mess with more just to see what happens. Research/Trying to play god like that should be outlawed."

      Now I'm not an expert on geography, but I'm pretty certain most Ethiopians aren't ileterate due to choice or even religious reasons, it's because Ethiopia is a poor country where success is often just living to 20 without starving to death. As far as I know MIT didn't force the laptops into the villiage, or teach the kids to hide them from their parents (which IMO I still wouldn't oppose, hiding information from children to me for fear of compromised "Culture" or "Religion", is no different than binding a childs legs and throwing him in a wheelchair, which would be considered child abuse in most countries). Were all the scientists of america and europe's past destroying our culture. Did the work of Franklin, Telsa and Eddison ruin the culture of the world by making us more civilized. I mean it could be said that our old culture gathered around fires and candles, and those guys ruined it for us!

    5. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Oh and by running that experiment, MIT is destroying that tribe's culture and they plan to mess with more just to see what happens. Research/Trying to play god like that should be outlawed.

      Why? Because a culture of illiterate people, unable to produce, never mind compete, in the modern world is morally superior to a literate, educated culture?

      Either way we are choosing to "play god". Withholding technology from these people is just as much of a choice as providing it. Just because it's the default position doesn't make it the more correct one.

    6. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yes it does. Stay the fuck out. Period. It's pretty simple. You engineer and developer folks seem to think you're the smartest people alive. How can you not figure that out?

    7. Re:MIT found something different by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

      When I was young, Congress was trying to decide if AC/DC's rock music and games of Dungeons and Dragons were causing all us youth to kill each other. Somehow I survived all the death and devastation - I have no idea how.

    8. Re:MIT found something different by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

      " Constant technology use includes being surrounded by TV, ads designed to grab your attention, cell phones with direct connections to constantly changing media feeds (you don't want to miss anything), laptops, tablets, eBook readers, hand held games, warning systems, etc..."

      I have read about study after study purporting that these devices change our brains and maybe even personalities, I haven't seen one -- not a single one -- demonstrating that those "changes" are still present when the technology is not. Nor have I seen any evidence -- even a little -- that these claimed "changes", even if retained, are harmful. The people claiming these things are strong on implication, but pretty short on evidence.

    9. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Leave people the fuck alone and let them determine their own course of development. That's pretty fucking clear.

    10. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They're actually strong on evidence, it's the press office that's adding the implication. They add sensation otherwise people don't tend to read the fucking articles.

    11. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      how about you let them choose if they want to be interfered with or not rather than forcing people to stay away from them? If they didnt like the tablets they wouldnt use them

    12. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How can you not get something this simple? It's exactly the same as the age-of-consent laws - intended to protect those not sufficiently developed to make the decisions that you've just forced upon them. That's why grooming a young teen for sex is as illegal as raping one, or just having sex with one.

    13. Re:MIT found something different by Hognoxious · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'm pretty certain most Ethiopians aren't ileterate due to choice or even religious reasons

      What's your reason?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    14. Re:MIT found something different by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You missed WW2, Korea & 'Nam. That's how.

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    15. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's exactly the same as the age-of-consent laws

      What? Those useless "for the children" laws where an 18 year old who has sex with a 17 year old can get charged with rape just by having sex with someone who is legally considered a minor? You expect me to believe that a 13-17 year old can't much such a decision?

      It's time to stop treating sex as if it's an all-important decision that will forever change your life. It's not, and it doesn't take a very intelligent mind to be able to consent to it.

    16. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Viewed another way - the prime directive says "Don't help anyone else -make them do all the work themselves and then (when they're advanced enough) step in and reap the rewards.

    17. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Interesting, so they found a way to quantify the capacity of children to interaction within a conceptually abstract environment. Although this doesn't necessarily mean that their doing more or spending any less time focusing on any single thing in particular, but I suppose it's a lot more difficult to try to figure out how many games, ideas, and shifts of focus occur when a child is playing with blocks alone, since those are purely mental and not easily recognized in reality. For instance, I don't remember telling anyone when I imagined the black tiles at the market would fall away into lava as a child, but perhaps if instructed to, I might have. I wonder if they'd find anything to be different if they used a device whose functions were not consolidated in apps but across an operating system, or used apps which combined the features or functions of the ones most often used. Surely the number of apps used is not so important as the uses the children came up with.

      On one hand, it demonstrates children's creativity in coming up with 47 things to do in an abstract world, but one the other, perhaps this is the fundamental basis for the relationship between their aptitude in one environemnt but not another and a "low-tech" person's seeming inability to understand the same abstract concepts. Perhaps they've discovered that daydreams have found another physical outlet besides doodling or counting ceiling tiles?

    18. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Ethiopia is a poor country where success is often just living to 20 without starving to death."

      And why, exactly, do you think that might be?

      Could it possibly have anything to do with GENES and intelligence?

      Or is the LAND MASS itself which makes Ethiopians the utter failures that they are?

    19. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wanted to contradict your nice "opinion" piece, but this Sentence really got me:

      Were all the scientists of a[should be "A"]merica and e[should be "E"]urope's past destroying our culture.[should be "?"] Did the work of Franklin, Tels[should be "sl"]a and Edd[should be nil]ison ruin the culture of the world by making us more civilized.[should be "?"]

      Now that you mention it, sure we does!

    20. Re:MIT found something different by rioki · · Score: 1

      He said age of consent. That is normally, depending on jurisdiction 14-16. Seriously, grooming a <14 girl/boy for sex is totally fucked up. On the other hand "seduction of a minor", what you are talking about is really broken, especially in the 18/17 case.

      Back to the topic... The prime directive makes sense for evolving cultures. Most of the "development aid" in the last half decade made many things worse then better...

    21. Re:MIT found something different by rioki · · Score: 1

      This is a very good observation. I totally agree with you; if you look at a child play you may see many different shifts in conception. An object can be one thing and the next moment something totally different. My gripe with modern technology is not that it is "distracting", but in most cases to rigid. Especially games, that are totally linear and predictable. The sandbox is great because it allows for any type of play, when do we see technology that behaves like a sandbox? I think technology and modern media restricts creativity.

    22. Re:MIT found something different by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Most of the "development aid" in the last half decade made many things worse then better...

      I presume you meant "than", not "then". Still wouldn't make sense, though. Nigger.

    23. Re:MIT found something different by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      What? Those useless "for the children" laws where an 18 year old who has sex with a 17 year old can get charged with rape just by having sex with someone who is legally considered a minor? You expect me to believe that a 13-17 year old can't much such a decision?

      Why 13-17? They are just arbitrary limits too. Why not 10 which is the age of criminal responsibility (in the UK)?

      The point is that most people would agree that you have to have some sort of legal cut off point, and by definition it is not going to apply equally. One girl may enter puberty at 10 while for her brother it's not until 15.

      It seems to be mainly the US where sex with a minor is automatically rape, here in the UK where the age of consent is 16, if a boy aged 16 and 1 day had sex with a girl aged 15 and 364 days, it is highly unlikely that he would be charged with anything at all.

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
    24. Re:MIT found something different by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Did the work of Franklin, Telsa and Eddison ruin the culture of the world by making us more civilized.

      There is a fairly obvious difference those three improving their own, and current day geeks interfering in someone else's civilisation.

      --
      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  3. Scary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is almost as bad as rock & roll music.

    1. Re:Scary. by noobermin · · Score: 3, Insightful

      I was just going to say that. From TFA:

      “What we’re labeling as ‘distraction,’ some see as a failure of adults to see how these kids process information,” Ms. Purcell said. “They’re not saying distraction is good but that the label of ‘distraction’ is a judgment of this generation.”

      also

      The surveys include some findings that appear contradictory. In the Common Sense report, for instance, some teachers said that even as they saw attention spans wane, students were improving in subjects like math, science and reading.

      I don't usually bag on teachers, but may be this is a sign that your methods are becoming--shock--outdated?

    2. Re:Scary. by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

      This is almost as bad as rock & roll music.

      It's as bad as sock-hops, Elvis Presley's dancing, VCR's, Atari games, color television, and carbonated sodas - each of which nearly "destroyed America's youth" at some point in the past 70 years.

    3. Re:Scary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't usually bag on teachers, but may be this is a sign that your methods are becoming--shock--outdated?

      I guess kids these days can't listen to a teacher droning on about some crap when the teacher should be engaging the students.

    4. Re:Scary. by Gorobei · · Score: 2

      I was just going to say that. From TFA:

      “What we’re labeling as ‘distraction,’ some see as a failure of adults to see how these kids process information,” Ms. Purcell said. “They’re not saying distraction is good but that the label of ‘distraction’ is a judgment of this generation.”

      also

      The surveys include some findings that appear contradictory. In the Common Sense report, for instance, some teachers said that even as they saw attention spans wane, students were improving in subjects like math, science and reading.

      I don't usually bag on teachers, but may be this is a sign that your methods are becoming--shock--outdated?

      Traditional school is was pretty horrible in my mind. Most kids were lost or bored in math and science. Geography, history, etc, were just fact cramming: a free grade for those who could only learn by rote, pointless data for others. God forbid you picked a promising, but inappropriate book from the library: you were stuck with it for an hour or a day. Talk about a low information environment.

      Bring on the internet, I say. It can't be any worse that the old system. It's already revolutionized work (I used to see 10+ books per cube, now 1 is about the most.) Time to do it for school.

    5. Re:Scary. by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      Geography, history, etc, were just fact cramming

      I actually noticed the same thing with math, and oftentimes, even science. Just memorize these equations and look for the patterns I showed you to figure out when you should used them on the test! Oh, and it's okay to forget them after that; your math teacher next year will have you memorize them again...

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      Filthy, filthy copyrapists!
    6. Re:Scary. by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

      This is almost as bad as rock & roll music.

      It's as bad as sock-hops, Elvis Presley's dancing, VCR's, Atari games, color television, and carbonated sodas - each of which nearly "destroyed America's youth" at some point in the past 70 years.

      But, of course, not quite as bad as Dungeons and Dragons and books about Hobbits. NOTHING could be THAT dangerous to America's youth.

    7. Re:Scary. by Alex+Belits · · Score: 2

      And this is a completely separate and much more important problem -- students do not understand the material, and have nothing but superficial similarities to guide them in application of those thoughtlessly memorized methods. They have fake knowledge that is applied in cargo-cult fashion, and provides nothing for future learning or improvements.

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      Contrary to the popular belief, there indeed is no God.
    8. Re:Scary. by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      I guess your favorite character is Smeagol/Gollum?

      --
      Confucius say, "Find worm in apple - bad. Find half a worm - worse."
    9. Re:Scary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Case in point, the entire Republican party and its constituents.

    10. Re:Scary. by supercrisp · · Score: 2

      I'll make this issue more puzzling by pointing out how, in the US, many systems are cheating on students' test results because of the high stakes instituted by No Child Left Behind. I know that Atlanta and Montgomery, AL, schools have recently been busted because administrators were changing test results. And, in Montgomery, making extreme changes, say like a 7 on a skills test being changed to a 70. Likely the situation is worse in Southern states, where education funding problems are often worse. But I strongly suspect that the US is no longer gathering credible data in many districts nation-wide.

    11. Re:Scary. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I see you forgot to mention that it's almost all BLACK teachers doing this, and BLACK 'students' (future criminals) who are failing these tests so badly.

      Gee... do you think being BLACK could have anything to do with it?

    12. Re:Scary. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Bring on the internet, I say. It can't be any worse that the old system.

      yes, let's just let kids surf 4Chan all day. What could possibly go wrong?

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      To have a right to do a thing is not at all the same as to be right in doing it
  4. behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 4, Insightful

    while out?

    seems to be generational but my younger friends (20's) are always checking their phones, even while I'm talking to them at dinner or a social event!

    what the hell. since when was that good manners?

    since never. but few seem to care.

    additionally, look at the younger crowd as they walk on the public streets. if there isn't a pair of white wires coming out of their ears and their stand perma-pointed downward, then they are the odd one out.

    this is directly related to attention span and constantly 'needing' to be connected.

    time will tell, but I don't think this is a foward step.

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    1. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 0

      typo: sed /their stand/their stance/

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      "It is now safe to switch off your computer."
    2. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I wonder if Google Glasses type technology will help.

    3. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by noobermin · · Score: 5, Insightful

      How can these kids stand that rock n' roll music? Kids these days.

    4. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Kohath · · Score: 1

      Just tell them to keep off your lawn.

      Seriously though, manners are out of fashion. And they'll continue to be out of fashion until Hollywood and the rest of the pop culture crowd becomes irrelevant.

    5. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Constantly checking a phone when in the presence of company not only shows impatience and addiction, but is fucking rude. It's like telling everybody in your presence that they're boring and not worth listening to.

      As somebody a little older than the rest of the shithead kids he's in college with, I see it all the time - grown-ass young adults rocking back and forth in their seats, fidgeting, totally unfit for social interaction. If those kids were in grade school when I was, they would have been labeled retarded and put in a special classroom with padded walls. Young punk kids, in their faggotty androgynous skinny jeans, who now get medals just for showing up to the event, have been proven hopeless at courtship due to their incessant masturbating to a grossly cartoonish idea of what real women should look like.

      Real life is going to eat you fuckers alive, and I'm gonna point and laugh at each and every one of you.

      -- Ethanol-fueled

    6. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by aurashift · · Score: 3, Insightful

      while out?

      seems to be generational but my younger friends (20's) are always checking their phones, even while I'm talking to them at dinner or a social event!

      what the hell. since when was that good manners?

      since never. but few seem to care.

      I "belong" to this generation. If there isn't a pause in the conversation for them to read some inane text saying "whats up gurlll", or I'm actively talking and they pull out their windows phone (just kidding) I'll snap my fingers to get their attention. If they have the attention span of a three year old and do it again they're wasting my time and I'll leave them to their angry birds.

      If you're a dick I have no problems being a dick right back. They might not like having their faults pointed out and I don't enjoy doing it but some people deserve it every now and then.

    7. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by fustakrakich · · Score: 1

      ...grown-ass young adults rocking back and forth in their seats, fidgeting, totally unfit for social interaction.

      That's from all the Prozac, Vicodin, and other meds their parents have been feeding them all their lives... Mother's little helper.

      --
      “He’s not deformed, he’s just drunk!”
    8. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It sounds like you are boring and not worth listening to. Why should anyone listen to you make prejudiced comments against their age group instead of playing Angry Birds?

    9. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mannners are the rules for social interaction. They are a series of rules that for the most part allow easier comunication and cohabitaions within a group. There are however no hard and fast rules, it is a consensus thing. If you are in a group and everybody else has bad manners and nobody else seems to worry it is your problem and not theres.

      The real question is will there rules have become normal by the time they have to change enviroment, or will they be able to change over to the next set of rules when they inevitable have to move to the next stage. As long as one of these is true or a combination of both. I'm betting on the combination but with an emphasis on them having to adapt (80:20ish).

      There are of course some sets of formal manners that where desighned to do nothing more than disadvantage those who did not know them and could not (due to some resource impediment) learn them. But this is elitist bullshit that has mostly been (thnakfully) lost from most of the world.

    10. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      No, the problem is the choice of entertainment.

      Walking down the street? Observe the nature of the environment around you, instead. The trees have turned a beautiful color right now. Maybe you'll get a glimpse of an eagle flying by. You'll never know what is truly out there in the REAL world, if you're constantly focused on "being entertained" by some electronic device.

      Being a software engineer with many years working on mobile devices, it was my job to create these forms of entertainment... I was guilty of this too. I solved it by trying to always have a camera in my hand. Yeah, it is still an electronic device, but the focus of the entertainment because the world around me, and to become a content producer instead of content user.

    11. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      fear- not wanting to get stuck dead like the dinosaurs and other dead things that lacked it
      manners- distance between you getting stuck

      Lets see how personal priorities rationalize this. That person with the phone can legitimize a view of society objectively by use of recording audio/video you fear this because of an injured ego caused by the super imposed ego that represents your inner view of society thereby you lack trust in those you are around yet go so far as to blame them for the untrust when its all within your own head.

      The "younger" crowd as your bias prejudice discriminates to them are not there for your amusement nor should wires bring about a primordial fear of veins, intestines and other things coming out of the wrong orifice, but again injured ego this is an effect of the id. It is also referred to as ad hominem to insinuate unrelated evidence to something for personal vendetta.

      Their attention is firmly planted on their phone. Yours is planted up your own ass randomly dithering about. So yes I agree attention problem. You can't seem to manipulate others into giving you attention through any self coping methods. Might I suggest trying masturbation?

      Forward step is relative to destination and time can be dilated. You have no mysticism control of time this is a control mechanism to control the prediction associated with the anger at your own self such is presented by a volition of guilt deeply rooted in your subconscious.

    12. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I'm actively talking" --- I see the problem there! How about trying to stfu!? Now what would you do if they snapped at you when they got a text message? Because that is what would happen next. You going to get violent? I modded a taser onto my cellphone for just the case! :D Got to protect my data after all!

      Paranoid weirdos can't keep nose out of cellphone ffs. You just want to know what it says that's all.

    13. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by aurashift · · Score: 1

      You're the type of idiot I snap my fingers at.

    14. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In my time it was considered good manners to use capital letters on the internet. Just saying.;)

      Everyone has something others can complain about... you are no exception...

    15. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by TheRealMindChild · · Score: 1

      You know what else is bad manners? Starting your sentences with a lower-case letter

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      "When life gives you lemons, don't make lemonade. Make life take the lemons back!" -- Cave Johnson
    16. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Bigbutt · · Score: 2

      Honestly the problem is not taking time out to "smell the roses". No, you don't smell flowers necessarily, but if you don't just sit or take a walk or a bike ride and think, you don't work out issues you may be having. You won't get that spark of inspiration from watching a bird fly or a swarm of bees or just working out something in your head.

      [John]

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      Shit better not happen!
    17. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by jittles · · Score: 1, Insightful

      while out?

      seems to be generational but my younger friends (20's) are always checking their phones, even while I'm talking to them at dinner or a social event!

      what the hell. since when was that good manners?

      since never. but few seem to care.

      additionally, look at the younger crowd as they walk on the public streets. if there isn't a pair of white wires coming out of their ears and their stand perma-pointed downward, then they are the odd one out.

      this is directly related to attention span and constantly 'needing' to be connected.

      time will tell, but I don't think this is a foward step.

      If I get a text message while talking to you, I'll pull out my phone and check it. Same way that I would check my phone for a call if one came in while we were takling. Is it rude? I don't think so. Will I respond to the message, or even do more than glance at it? Not likely. Would it be good manners for me to be upset if you checked your phone during a social event? What if your wife was calling and it was an emergency? Who the hell am I to judge you? Now if you spent the entire conversation texting and browsing the web, then I would consider that rude.

    18. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      You bet it will be a problem when interests not aligned with them impact their 'entertainment' in some way.. of course by then america will be no different than somalia.. Seriously, this 'need' to be 'connected' is just a massive case of insecurity brought on by a society that increasingly does not tolerate individual empowerment and achievement.

    19. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Andy+Prough · · Score: 1

      Constantly checking a phone when in the presence of company not only shows impatience and addiction, but is fucking rude. It's like telling everybody in your presence that they're boring and not worth listening to.

      As somebody a little older than the rest of the shithead kids he's in college with, I see it all the time - grown-ass young adults rocking back and forth in their seats, fidgeting, totally unfit for social interaction. If those kids were in grade school when I was, they would have been labeled retarded and put in a special classroom with padded walls. Young punk kids, in their faggotty androgynous skinny jeans, who now get medals just for showing up to the event, have been proven hopeless at courtship due to their incessant masturbating to a grossly cartoonish idea of what real women should look like.

      Real life is going to eat you fuckers alive, and I'm gonna point and laugh at each and every one of you.

      -- Ethanol-fueled

      I tried to read your whole rant, but honestly it was so boring I kept messing with my coolio Samsung Android phone instead. It's probably because I'm only in my 40's and haven't learned to control my attention yet - maybe when I hit my 50's.

    20. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Andy+Prough · · Score: 2

      They're so much less mature than their grandparents' generation - who were blowing up outhouses with sticks of dynamite and drag racing their '57 Chevy's instead.

    21. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Whether you think so or not, it is rude.

      If it is an emergency, you're likely going to be receiving a call and not a text message. Answering calls during a conversation is completely different than constantly checking your texts.

    22. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by noobermin · · Score: 1

      May be it's a hint that you're not enganging them...it's kind of like doodling only now you have a smartphone.

      And in the same way, doodling while someone's talking is considered rude too, I guess.

    23. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      because its not really prejudice at all when there's some truth in the 'prejudicial' statement. It's just that the term is misused by people as a passive aggressive label to deflate legitimacy of truth they don't like. A lot of kids today ARE androgynistic and flighty. They have no spine and no balls. They don't stand up for themselves because their parents and society have taught them that the opposite is what's acceptable. Not hurting feelings is more important than understanding/acting on the truth of a matter. Neurotically tracking group consensus (with a cellphone or anything else really) so that one can be sure he is in compliance is not a good example of a trait that will help survival of this society in the coming decades..

    24. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      Maybe you haven't.. It's entirely possible, actually. This trend started with your/our generation.

    25. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by epyT-R · · Score: 1

      If your willful attempt to ignore someone who is telling you something important that affects you, and you choose to ignore it, that's your business. However, when your ignorance affects him negatively, your behavior does become his concern. Grabbing your phone in the MIDDLE of such a conversation is bullshit. You deserve to have it crammed down your throat or up your ass..or at the very least have it smashed on the ground, should the situation be dire enough.. You can't walk around through life (or drive!) with your head down looking at the cellphone while expecting everyone else to get out of your way.

    26. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      Whether you think so or not, it is rude.

      Whether you think so or not, thinking it is rude is rude.

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    27. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by niko9 · · Score: 1

      You comparing the love of music to playing with an appliance? Sheesh.

    28. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      I don't know. It seems to me that when I was a child in the 70's, every single time the telephone rang, an adult in the house would answer it, even if they had guests. They seemed unable to disconnect themselves even for a few hours.

    29. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by riondluz · · Score: 1

      and its only annoying bec its not audio,... or wetware 8)

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    30. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Constantly checking a phone when in the presence of company not only shows impatience and addiction, but is fucking rude.

      Agreed, but Ordinary People - those same people that think Facebook is solely a harmless social network and not the surveillance application that it actually is - are increasingly tolerant of this. Sadly, it is becoming accepted behavior. I have a friend who does this and it drives me nuts. I'm always telling him to put his phone away.

      I see it all the time - grown-ass young adults rocking back and forth in their seats, fidgeting, totally unfit for social interaction. If those kids were in grade school when I was, they would have been labeled retarded and put in a special classroom with padded walls ... have been proven hopeless at courtship due to their incessant masturbating to a grossly cartoonish idea of what real women should look like.

      You mean the average Slashdotter? Now they get labelled "aspie" if they have any geek skills, transferred from their mom's basement, and put in a cubicle.

      But obesity due to plain overeating and eating crap is a far bigger problem than being skinny. Skinny is healthy provided you eat a balanced diet. Obesity affects the brain bigtime, too. I noticed a big improvement in clearheadness, energy levels, social abilities and reasoning skills after losing my fat belly, and I was by no means at the top of that scale for my height. I feel 10 years younger. Women respond to me much more - now that surprised me. Who'd have thought it would make that much difference. Maybe I should get that long-deferred nose job since women are just as superficial as men when it comes to initial attraction. Off topic, I know.

    31. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by penix1 · · Score: 1

      The difference being that the phones back then weren't available all the time and the advent of the answering machine meant you no longer had to answer a loud ringing device that was interrupting your life.

      Attention span and situational awareness are most definitely affected by the constant use of these devices. There are many news accounts of idiots walking along with their face buried in their phones instead of being aware of their surroundings. Everything from walking out in front of cars to walking out in front of trains to driving accidents occur because of the amount of attention these devices are getting. That is one reason (besides the amount of money they can generate) that many states in the US are banning non-hands free cell phone use while driving.

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    32. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by JosephTX · · Score: 1

      Honestly, I'm GLAD the the worst thing you can say about my generation is that a few of us have picked up some rude habits. You know what we can say about YOUR generation? That your peers are/were:

      -bad parents that led to those rude habits
      -racists
      -homophobes
      -less educated
      -hypocrites (high taxes when you were getting the services, low taxes now that we need them)
      -cluelessly ruining environments around the globe, for slightly cheaper fuel and other products

      I could go on, but I think you get the idea. I'd take the occasional inattentive classmate over the common racist classmate any day.

    33. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Or till people cotton on that Bell Curve is actually the truest book written in the last 2 millenia and niggers really are retarded, stupid and full of shit rather than hip, cool and put-upon by the evil whiteys. Maybe then they'll stop copying the monkeys.

    34. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      While many probably don't pay attention while checking their phones, some of us don't really feel the need to stare you in the face while you're talking, or watch you wave your arms around (some people probably couldn't talk if you tied up their hands). This is especially true when conversing with many women, who always have to recite all sides of every conversation they've ever been in or heard of. I, for one, listen with my ears and have found that facial expressions add little to everyday conversation—at least, I seem to get little addition out of it.

    35. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by bar-agent · · Score: 1

      The listener doesn't really need to look the speaker in the face from the listener's perspective. The listener knows he's listening. This is something the listener has to do for the benefit of the speaker.

      The speaker doesn't have the inner perspective of the listener. He doesn't know if the listener is paying attention. The speaker needs the listener to respond or at least make eye contact so he'll know if he needs to repeat something or continue speaking at all.

      If you, as a listener, care about what the speaker is saying, then you ought to be giving him that feedback. If you don't care, then acting uninterested is the accurate way to go, but don't be surprised if it pisses someone off.

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    36. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by noobermin · · Score: 1

      Your comparing your dope smoking, rebellious music to my taste in jazz that actually has class? Sheesh.

    37. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How is this different than the Walkman 20 years ago?

    38. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Belial6 · · Score: 1

      The fact that you think there ever was a time that you had to answer a load ringing device that was interrupting your life shows that you are not looking at this rationally. In fact, it was never a requirement. It is just that most people answered the phone anyway. This did not change with the advent of answering machines.

      Also, saying that people have walked out in front of cars while using a phone while pretending that the same thing didn't happen with books is deceitful.

    39. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I certainly have noticed that when hanging out with certainly family members who tend to be older, I found myself checking my phone all the time. When I hang out with people who are more my friends, my phone is always on silent and when I pull it out, it's for some reason for everyone (hey let's look up ___ on wikipedia!).

      I realized I have an uncle (20 years older than me) always playing on his phone whenever I am around, and I realized... if people are always on the phone around you, it's not that they are being rude (well yes they are), it's because they'd rather play on the on the phone than hang out with you. And I do it to those I can't stand hanging out with either.

      I guess it's easier to play on their phones than to say "ah, I'm out of here, you're boring and I'd rather play on my phone".

      I'm trying to learn to say "fuck off, you're a bunch of fucking gits" to my family who expect me to hang out with them but are generally just mean to me when I do. I could then spend more time doing things I like, and they can stop complaining about how I'm always playing on my phone, and start complaining that I never come around instead.

      (bitter? me? Naw....)

    40. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by rioki · · Score: 1

      Actually not answering the phone is considered rude to the person who is calling. Not that they notice, but the people you are with will and will interpolate it to them. But not asking polity to call back and talk on the phone for a long time is rude to your guests. It is not that clear cut, anything that interrupts is ok, but not making it short is rude. The ideal being, if you can put it off to later and sill do it, that is rude.

      Looking at your phone all the time is like interrupting your conversation to talk to someone else... and yes it is rude and shows you are less important than that other person...

    41. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by Hognoxious · · Score: 1

      You're confusing manners and etiquette, but then a lot of ignorant fuckers do.

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    42. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So the younger generation has a problem because they choose being entertained over not being entertained? Interesting logic

      Yes, that is a problem. If you hadn't noticed, we don't live in a world with unlimited resources available for everybody, where everyone spends their time engaged purely in exciting game playing and the consumption and creation of entertainment. Most people have to work for a living, something which is a bit difficult if you've got your iPhone blaring out music into your ears so you can't hear when I ask you a fucking question.

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    43. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Mod parent up.

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    44. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      ...grown-ass young adults rocking back and forth in their seats, fidgeting, totally unfit for social interaction.

      That's from all the Prozac, Vicodin, and other meds their parents have been feeding them all their lives... Mother's little helper.

      Here in the UK we don't have (quite) the US prescription drug addiction problems, and the little cunts still act like that.

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    45. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I don't know. It seems to me that when I was a child in the 70's, every single time the telephone rang, an adult in the house would answer it, even if they had guests. They seemed unable to disconnect themselves even for a few hours.

      Back then most people (with the exception of teenagers) didn't spend hours talking to each other for no purpose. You used to ring people up for a reason, so it was almost always worth answering the phone. You didn't really get unsolicited sales calls either, as far as I remember.

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    46. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      If I get a text message while talking to you, I'll pull out my phone and check it. Same way that I would check my phone for a call if one came in while we were takling. Is it rude? I don't think so.

      It's rude if you don't say "excuse me, I have to take this" or something. Just whipping your phone out and scanning the text messsage with no comment while someone is talking is incredibly fucking rude, whether you are prepared to admit it or not.

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    47. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      May be it's a hint that you're not enganging them...it's kind of like doodling only now you have a smartphone.

      And in the same way, doodling while someone's talking is considered rude too, I guess.

      You guess? You fucking guess?

      If someone's not "enganging" you, then politely end the conversation, don't start digitally doodling or tapping your fingers on the table.

      I'd love to see you checking your texts if you were talking to some of the people I've had as bosses. You'd be shitting pieces of smartphone for the next week where they forced it deep up your arse before throwing you out the nearest window.

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    48. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by jittles · · Score: 1

      First of all, I said glance, not scan. There is a huge difference. When you scan something, you look at it thoroughly. Secondly if I am talking then yes I will say "One second" but I am not going to interrupt someone in the middle of a sentence to glance at my phone. I consider it to be far more rude to interrupt someone in the middle of speaking. I can apologize to them after they are done talking. Finally, I can glance at my phone without even taking it all the way out of my pocket. I'd be willing to bet you glance away the person you are talking to all the time, is that any more rude?

    49. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Wow, there's a surprise, your generation of young people think they're better than their parents. That's only exactly what every other generation have ever said.

      The amusing thing is that in twenty years time, you'll be the ones with the rude, ungrateful children bemoaning their lack of manners and saying how much better the music was back when you had Lady Gaga and PSY, and how the modern internet isn't as good as 4chan..

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    50. Re:behavior, like constantly checking your phone? by JosephTX · · Score: 1

      I don't THINK my generation is better than my parents'; I KNOW it is. Note the lack of self-imposed racial segregation in most schools. Checking your phone mid-conversation might be rude, but you know what's much more rude? The racism, homophobia, and overall bigotry your generation showed (and in many states continues to show). You can pull the "you'll see in 20 years" card, but you must realize that even with that taken into account, our faults are much smaller than your generation's.

      And please, even 4channers know 4chan is the ass of the internet.

  5. It's apparently true... by Empiric · · Score: 1

    I lost my attention span with the "Page Not Found".

    Maybe a link check is in order?

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    1. Re:It's apparently true... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Reload a few times and the page appears...

  6. No article by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Not only is it behind a paywall/login link, but the article's URL isn't even correct.

    It should be: http://www.nytimes.com/2012/11/01/education/technology-is-changing-how-students-learn-teachers-say.html

    As it is, you chopped off the final "l", which gives a 404.

  7. So the news is... by Kohath · · Score: 4, Insightful

    there may or may not be a problem. Please update us every hour. Thanks.

    1. Re:So the news is... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This happens when the populace are trying to follow science new. They want to get shocked or at least or at least disturbed (maybe this is tech effect?).

  8. I used to be smart.... and then, the internets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to be "smart", I could memorize things instantly, had photographic memory, could do mental math very quickly, problem solving was a breeze for me but then I was introduced to a computer. Everything about my brain has been rather -- dulled. I have a hard time to do everything that was previously said, but problem solving still remains my biggest strength even though it's not as good as it once was. I think we should rely on ourselves whenever we can, instead of being impatient and turning on a computer.

    1. Re:I used to be smart.... and then, the internets by JustOK · · Score: 1

      your computer should already be on. Will you never learn?

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    2. Re:I used to be smart.... and then, the internets by Rockoon · · Score: 1

      When I was growing up, there was the internet and I was on it.. as a teen I hacked my way into university VMS systems so that I could use IRC (and back then IRC was a single thing, not just a protocol) and hunt around for files with archie.

      When I wanted to apply information, I had to actually learn it, because there wasnt a browser in front of me to go get the information the instant I needed it. These days I can apply information without learning it.... I just need to cut, paste, and reformat it.

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    3. Re:I used to be smart.... and then, the internets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I learned problem solving from working with computers.

    4. Re:I used to be smart.... and then, the internets by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "These days I can apply information without learning it"
      Good luck with that...

    5. Re:I used to be smart.... and then, the internets by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      These days I can apply information without learning it.... I just need to cut, paste, and reformat it.

      That seems to be what they teach kids in school now. They are utterly wrong. The internet has a vast amount of data, but you certainly can't assume it's all of equal information value.

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    6. Re:I used to be smart.... and then, the internets by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I learned problem solving from working with computers.

      There is a big difference between assembling your own computer or coding your own software and sitting looking at YouTube, although technically they're all "working with computers".

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  9. Or just actually play with your kids by Gothmolly · · Score: 2

    Instead of parking them in front of your TV or your smartphone & Netflix, why not interact with them? Read them a story? Make pictures with glue and macaroni? DO SOMETHING.

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    1. Re:Or just actually play with your kids by JustOK · · Score: 1

      Isn't there an app for that?

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    2. Re:Or just actually play with your kids by buddyglass · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Definitely. Also easier said than done.

  10. Let's make it clear... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the so called "indirect evidence" is a couple of surveys of teachers. They've perceived a decline in attention span... so basically it's a bunch of anecdotal evidence put together, which makes it a bit more useful, but it's still just a poll.

    I'm not skeptic about this and think it's important we look into it, but it's hard to suggest an absolute decline in kids's attention spans. How come they can concentrate for hours while playing a video game?

  11. Not so sure by MichaelSmith · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The only time my son seems to focus is when he is in minecraft and that is because he likes minecraft.

    1. Re:Not so sure by greg_barton · · Score: 1

      I could mod you up, but I think posting a "heck yeah" is better.

      Heck yeah!

      My daughter loves minecraft. I love that she loves minecraft. She's learning to memorize and mentally navigate a 3d environment. She's learning how to deconstruct tasks into subtasks and gather the resources necessary to accomplish those subtasks. She's constructing virtual houses. She just turned five.

      So we've been playing minecraft on ipads. The PC version is more complex, and she just discovered that, so now she wants a laptop. I told her that I'd buy her one if she can 1) create a 2000 square meter house in survival mode, using at least five different building materials, and one chest full of tools for each tool making material available. (Wood, stone, iron, gold, and diamond.) She was intimidated a bit at first, and even stopped playing for a while, but today she started back again. She's motivated to accomplish a long and complex task, and the game itself has been a way to teach her how that can be done.

    2. Re:Not so sure by MichaelSmith · · Score: 1

      Just take care as she gets older. Minecraft has a chat feature which will expose the kids to all sorts of language as soon as they visit a public server. I run a private server and initially it was open. My son (ten years old) invited his friends then friends of friends, their older brothers... It turned into Lord Of The Flies at an exponential rate. So now we whitelist it. My son asked me casually if he could whitelist users if they spoke to him on skype first. I said when did you get skype? He says oh I must have installed it at some point. I can see how Gene Leonhardt went through the roof the way he did. This stuff tends to get out of control fast. So I keep my minecraft chat logs (very illuminating. These kids are a lot more mature and open with each other than with their parents.) I have a cron job to backup the world data so if anybody blows stuff up, I can restore the whole world.

    3. Re:Not so sure by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      The only time my son seems to focus is when he is in minecraft and that is because he likes minecraft.

      Unfortunately, you can't design education around just giving kids what they like.

      I know slashdotters will all have kids who are programming games, writing chamber music and publishing e-books by the time they're 6, but in the rest of reality you'd just end up with a generation of kids watching Disney teen sit-coms with canned laughter and bolted-on merchandising opportunities, and playing shitty K-Pop videos unironically on YouTube.

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  12. Bollocks by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    I use technology the whole time and my attention span is

    1. Re:Bollocks by hawks5999 · · Score: 2

      SQUIRREL!

  13. cause a rank of 32nd the usa can tell by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    cause a rank of 32nd the usa can tell us the rest of the world that uses loads a tech and does so "intelligently".
    The fact is unless your a lawyer or military guy what other jobs are there in the usa.
    suiing everyone and killing them just UGH me around.

    YOUR GOVT, and the RICH want YOU to be retards.....WHAT better way to control you.

  14. Or it could be the exact opposite by Brandano · · Score: 4, Interesting

    Other sources seem to show that children exposed to technology might actually end up learning better than otherwise. http://dvice.com/archives/2012/10/ethiopian-kids.php

  15. Constant technology? by fustakrakich · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Or medication? I would blame the drug pushing pharmaceutical companies selling promises that the kid will behave if he just takes a pill...

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  16. Sounds familiar by wrp103 · · Score: 2

    I remember reading similar concerns when PBS came out with a radical new TV program called "Sesame Street." ;^)

    It is much easier asking these questions than doing actual research and coming up with some answers. I think a lot depends on what they are doing with technology: if they are reading and learning or just goofing around and wasting time.

    I taught college classes for a number of years. Eventually, it became very common for students to bring their laptops with them to class. Some of them followed my lecture notes and tried sample problems. Others read email, web sites, or played games with the sound turned off. As long as they weren't disruptive, I didn't try to stop them.

    Of course, K-12 is very different than college, but when I was in high school, I carried a book with me to read when a class got boring. These days I carry several books on my phone in case I get some extra time. My grades were pretty good, so I didn't seem to suffer from not paying attention.

    Essentially, the question seems to be: "Does the teacher have to keep the students entertained?" Perhaps it should be phrased: "Does the teacher have to keep the students involved?" Teachers that drone on endlessly, sometimes reading their lecture notes, will have problems. Those that interact with their students and have activities that involve the students will do much better. As always, anything that changes the current situation is suspect.

    1. Re:Sounds familiar by TapeCutter · · Score: 2

      "A wrinkle in time" - great kids sci-fi fantasy book I read at HS in the early 70's, there's plenty of real science and math concepts in the book. It wasn't given to me by the teachers since the book is around #30-40 in the list of books that people most wanted to ban. Apparently a lot of parents in the US don't like their kids reading about imaginary witches, even if they are educational and fun witches. Wonder what those same people think about Shakespear's witches, why the lack of petitions to ban the Bard?

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    2. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "A Wrinkle in Time" - I read it in 3rd grade in the 70s. I think it was the book that converted me from Hardy Boys' mysteries to Science Fiction, and I've never looked back.

    3. Re:Sounds familiar by nbauman · · Score: 2

      Television! That's what started the whole thing. Kids don't sit around reading books any more.

      And the phonograph! Families don't sit around the piano singing songs any more.

    4. Re:Sounds familiar by Velex · · Score: 1

      At my high school, they'd just throw the book away. Why would you take anything that might have resale or especially sentimental value into a classroom?

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    5. Re:Sounds familiar by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Theft and vandalism?

    6. Re:Sounds familiar by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Wonder what those same people think about Shakespear's witches, why the lack of petitions to ban the Bard?

      They probably have never read anything by Shakespeare, and just assume he's some safe Dead Guy.

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  17. I call B.S. by jsh1972 · · Score: 1

    Constant technology use makes my brain produces a level of gamma waves -- those linked to consciousness, attention, learning and memory, or vagina -- never before reported in neuroscience!

    1. Re:I call B.S. by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      Constant technology use makes my brain produces a level of gamma waves -- those linked to consciousness, attention, learning and memory, or vagina -- never before reported in neuroscience!

      That attempted new meme's a bit long to remember for kids today.

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  18. I guess most of us can agree with that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Constant technology use has made us all idiots who only find work in fast food chains...

  19. I found something completely different. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My aunt's current husband's mother's nephew's college roommate's sister's friend is Amish is she's a genius.

    So, that proves everyone wrong.

  20. Critical thinking? Let's try critical thinking. by Beryllium+Sphere(tm) · · Score: 1

    Has anything else changed at the same time that might affect students?

    Do the changes, if any, hurt or help their ability to learn in our current environment of constant torrents of information?

    There's a claim about "ability to persevere in the face of challenging tasks". Do electronic games present challenging tasks that require perseverance? (Sorry, rhetorical question).

    1. Re:Critical thinking? Let's try critical thinking. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Games used to present challenging tasks that required perseverance but these days they have to be simple enough that the lowest common denominator can finish them in a week, otherwise it would not be possible to sell endless sequels and DLC.

  21. No kidding! by cullen_johnson · · Score: 1

    You mean constant access to an Xbox makes it hard for kids to learn?

  22. You bet it does. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Damn kids always expect me to get to the point. It's like they don't even care that I had to walk to school in the driving rain, with melon-rinds for shoes, carrying my little brother under one arm, and 90 pounds of textbooks and homework under the other, up-hill... both-ways. Ingrates.

  23. Kids not doing homework or paying attention?!?! by Eightbitgnosis · · Score: 2

    It has to be the smartphones and laptops everywhere! Because kids did none of these things back in 1998

  24. Correlation != causation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Or maybe it's that the availability of said technology more readily exposes people with predispositions towards chronic attention span issues.

  25. too busy... by PopeRatzo · · Score: 2

    Constant Technology Use May Hamper Kids' Ability To Learn

    It has certainly hampered my ability to take out the garbage or rake leaves in the backyard, as my wife will gladly tell you.

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  26. SO? by Osgeld · · Score: 2

    So does sitting in a near silent classroom listening to a teacher drone on and on and on, with little or no regard to if anyone is paying attention for hours a day, most of the year, 12+ years in a row.

    1. Re:SO? by pgmsrs · · Score: 1

      Fortunately the majority of teachers are not like this, especially those involved in Primary education. ( In Australia this is the first 7 years of school-Kindergarten to Year 6) Teachers are adapting their teaching styles to cater for the major increase in the use of technology by students to make sure that learning is at a premium. Teaching is about taking into account the individual learning styles of their students and creating opportunities for maximum learning. School is no longer about learning facts but being able to source the facts they need making sure they use a viable reference and to use the information in some way. My experience is with younger students. It is not the technology that is the problem but parents not limiting the availability time. It is not suitable for a 10 year old to have a mobile phone where they are texting or calling friends throughout the night and not getting enough sleep. Parents need to restrict access and encourage other activities.

    2. Re:SO? by lewko · · Score: 2

      I sat in an 'interactive' classroom for five year olds. Basically a 'smartboard' which was a projector and touchscreen.

      When it was 'story time', the teacher presented the story similarly to any Powerpoint presentation. Except after every page, rather than moving on, the children would have to approach the board and 'find' various elements, singing birds, growing flowers etc.

      I was thinking that the kids in China could have read six books in the time it took this class to get through one. It was totally unclear what value the technology added, besides briefly wowing parents who grew up with chalkboards (and will be able to spell better than most of these kids, thanks again to technology).

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    3. Re:SO? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      funny how some school in bum-fuck Australia is an accurate sample of "the majority of teachers"

    4. Re:SO? by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      So does sitting in a near silent classroom listening to a teacher drone on and on and on, with little or no regard to if anyone is paying attention for hours a day, most of the year, 12+ years in a row.

      You had bad teachers, which is a shame.. The solution is to employ good teachers, not just to say "fuck it, go and watch YouTube for six hours a day instead".

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    5. Re:SO? by Osgeld · · Score: 1

      well if its that simple...

  27. Article by PPH · · Score: 2

    TL;DR

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  28. I'm still pissed off by atari2600a · · Score: 1

    It's been widely proven that the proliferation of movable type has hindered our ability to remember campfire song handed down from our elder chiefs, like the one we need to know to remember when the salmon come back upstream, & no one has done anything about it!

  29. It worse than that . . . by paleo2002 · · Score: 1

    Math students don't memorize their sine and cosine tables anymore, law students can barely speak Latin, and these young hot-shot doctors barely know a leech from a hole in the ground! But the real trouble started when they put one of those fancy schmancy crank-operated pencil sharpeners in every classroom. When I was in school we sharpened our pencils with a small knife and it worked just fine. Guess these kids are too lazy to do a little whittling.

    1. Re:It worse than that . . . by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Things started goin' wrong with the world when people began eating outside and shitting inside.

  30. Re: those "changes" are still present by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    To use that word everyone loved in the 1990's, it's a Paradigm Shift. The simplest example is the raw internet - once you grok that the internet is "always on" (service glitches aside), your entire life changes forever. You can do or not-do something on the internet, but it's now a choice that needs to be made every hour of the day forever. Try reading old literature sometime, with the perspective of looking for when characters were really rather bored with nothing to do - "kick the can" for 3 hours and then dinner - really?! Or the farmers sitting around the parlor when Ma didn't feel like playing the piano, so they all just sat there kinda listless. Eew.

    I got a glimpse of all those changes when my power went out for Hurricane Sandy (and I was only on the edge of it!). I only managed to sit in the dark for an hour before I reached for my CD player, stash of AA batteries, flashlight, and a book. In the modern world, we don't just burn multiple hours doing nothing anymore.

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  31. Re: those "changes" are still present by Velex · · Score: 1

    In the modern world, we don't just burn multiple hours doing nothing anymore.

    Sure we do. It's called Slashdot.

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  32. Same Old Same Old by hduff · · Score: 1

    I'm sure they said the same thing about the technology miracle of post-WW2 that would revolutionize eductaion: the overhead projector.

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    1. Re:Same Old Same Old by tehcyder · · Score: 1

      I'm sure they said the same thing about the technology miracle of post-WW2 that would revolutionize eductaion: the overhead projector.

      Growing up as a kid in the UK in the 60s/70s I never saw an overhead projector (or computer) til I got to University.

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  33. ADHD by ub3r+n3u7r4l1st · · Score: 1

    No wonder too many people have been misdiagnosed with ADHD. Maybe ADHD is not a bad thing after all.

    In fact, in highly dynamic environments, such as Wall Street traders, having hyperactivity actually helps, couple with the use of anti-depressants and crack cocaine, (Yes, there are major drug abuse problems in the heart of the American economy.)

  34. But does "hampering attention span" = by cundare · · Score: 1

    But does "hampering attention span" = "decreasing reaction time"? Are we seeing an adaptive process?

  35. indirect evidence by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There is indirect evidence that the 24/7 news cycle is composed of about 1% useful news, and 99% filler. The bar gets lower and lower as to what is passed off as "news", including non-news items like this one showing there is "indirect evidence" that something happened. Or didn't happen.

  36. Re: those "changes" are still present by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    "The simplest example is the raw internet - once you grok that the internet is "always on" (service glitches aside), your entire life changes forever."

    Um, no. Once you grok that I was talking about what happens when you are out in the woods and there is no such technology available, your life will change for a few seconds.

    "I only managed to sit in the dark for an hour before I reached for my CD player, stash of AA batteries, flashlight, and a book."

    But there are 2 very visible reasons for that: (1) you were bored because with the power out in a modern home or apartment there usually isn't much to do, and (2) because you could. You had the player, you had the flashlight, you had the book.

    Your argument does not impress me. My question was: how would you cope or adapt without those things? Would these claimed "brain changes" make you better or worse at getting along with your situation? Or is it all just a pile of sociological wishful thinking and bullshit?

  37. What? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Sure, we used to think that wanking made you go blind.

  38. Re: those "changes" are still present by tehcyder · · Score: 1

    The simplest example is the raw internet - once you grok that the internet is "always on" (service glitches aside), your entire life changes forever.

    No, it doesn't. Winning ten million on the lottery changes your life forever. The internet just makes a lot of things easier to do.

    You can do or not-do something on the internet, but it's now a choice that needs to be made every hour of the day forever. Try reading old literature sometime, with the perspective of looking for when characters were really rather bored with nothing to do - "kick the can" for 3 hours and then dinner - really?! Or the farmers sitting around the parlor when Ma didn't feel like playing the piano, so they all just sat there kinda listless. Eew.

    You seem to think that simply having access to all the stuff you can consume on the internet means you are doing something. You're not, any more than if you're watching TV mindlessly.

    Stupid people have always got bored easily, and they still do if you give them a TV or internet connection. In "old literature" they probably engaged themselves with an actual book.

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  39. Checking for what by phorm · · Score: 1

    If they're just checking for facebook updates etc instead of having conversation, then it's somewhat rude.

    However, if they're waiting for an update on something important, then not quite as much.
    Prior to cellular phones, if you were wanted to be sure you got an important call (medical issue, repairman, whatever), you had to hang around the house and not go out. That meant you have to either chance missing the call or not go out at all.

    Cellular phones do spawn new social situations, but they're not all bad.
    What pisses off my family is when that they can no longer come up with as much unchallenged B.S. as before. Before everyone used to take them at face value, but nowadays a quick check of google/wikipedia/etc often disputes some of the less-than-honest stories/concepts.

  40. Re: In the dark by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    I wasn't coping. The key part of my note was "only able to take an hour of nothing". I had barely managed to think ahead and have my freshly purchased flashlight (I hadn't had one for years), my scavenged old AA's from the Big Box o' Stuff I dumped on the floor, and one of the 5 CD players from six years ago I hadn't needed. But I had all that because I am a pack-rat. I basically got lucky. If I hadn't had all of that I would have gone mildly crazy basically tossing and turning in bed until the power came back. That's all the indication that we don't like chunks of time we can't use anymore. Modern power makes Night Owl lifestyles possible, so when the power goes out unless you're a hotshot at body manipulation and can flip your sleep schedule on a dime, you're stuck with 10 hours of night and nothing to do.

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  41. Re: those "changes" are still present by TaoPhoenix · · Score: 1

    Sorry, but you missed every single line of my point. A huge part of the internet is "talking to people out there" and getting answers back. You disagreed with me but your reply is there, which is precisely what I meant. Having lots of "old literature" on my shelves, the amount of time they spend in the stories actually reading is a bit grim. Much more of it is spent pining away at various things.

    Meanwhile, with an internet connection, you can post notes and go to chat rooms and talk to people at all hours of the day, which is darn near impossible for any number of reasons in local small town life. Then there's that "instant research" capability that answers the kind of silly questions that used to occupy people for days. "Where is Bath, England?" "I dunno, is that near London?"

    So yes, lots of money ALSO changes lives, but so does the net. I'll skip the xkcd comic about IQ because you have seen it already.

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  42. Re: In the dark by Jane+Q.+Public · · Score: 1

    THAT is an answer. Thank you. But personally -- even though I make my living on the internet -- I find the opposite to be true. I can go on a camping trip for 2 weeks with no phone and enjoy the hell out of it.