Obviously Canada. And it's a fine of $386 Canadian or ~ $290 US. No jail.
Authorities everywhere really love to stick it to people whenever they can remotely justify it. We should all get together and start voting against those sorts of authorities.
If nearly every scientific expert agrees that we are headed to an environmental catastrophe - I listen.
And you think banning plastic bags in New York is the answer. Did "nearly every scientific expert agree" that banning plastic bags in New York would make a significant difference?
No. You don't think banning plastic bags in New York will help in any significant way at all. But you want to do it anyway, because...? Because you think Asia decides policy based on local rules in New York? (No -- because enacting meaningless restrictions to intrude on New Yorkers' lives provides an emotional release. So fuck them.)
They won't listen to you. Because it's free money for doing nothing. And all they need to do is believe in it and they can get free money. Who wouldn't want to believe?
If it's hard to believe, just add some science fiction robots. Robot are real. So you see, robots will do everything. That's the story. Can't you believe that story so we can all get free money?
People want to be happy! If people like you would believe, we'd all get free money! What's wrong with you?
"Stories are not reality and you don't know the future"
Recite extremely ordinary examples of people making up stories based on very common stereotypes of individuals, things they're worried about, etc. People use these made up stories to make decisions, even though they know they just made them up. Then show how the reality is different and the decisions don't make sense.
I don't think whales are sacred. But I do think they serve as a barometer of the problem.
Slippery slope arguments and "gateway drug" arguments are lazy and phony. Just say you want to choose how your neighbors live their lives and you're happy treating them as your subordinates because you know better than them.
Advanced societies must lead by example.
The examples are our rivers that aren't clogged with trash.
You want to police innocent people's use of ordinary items to somehow communicate to Asians that they shouldn't trash their rivers? Asians don't care about New York grocery bag police. Honestly, whales are sacred is more clearly thought through than that, by a large measure.
Sending the police after people who are minding their own business living their lives -- and not littering -- isn't the answer.
You are conflating unrelated things. A taboo is just a cultural belief and otherwise has no real basis in reality. Environmental impact of plastic bags is very much real. Dead whales washing up with kilos of bags in their belly is not just a "taboo".
I'm not. I don't believe whales are sacred. You can believe whales are sacred if you want. I think we should have laws to help people, not pretend to help someone's emotional or spiritual attachment to whales.
Making legislation on that is no different than making one against littering.
A dog died from eating chocolate. Ban chocolate? A woman slipped on a banana peel and fell and broke her arm. Ban bananas? A baby died of malnutrition because vegan parents wouldn't give her milk. Ban veganism?
Littering is already banned. We don't need to keep banning more and more things. Banning things doesn't lead to a sacred utopia, it leads to everyone looking over their shoulder all the time to make sure the police aren't around so they can live their lives.
... very real impact of our choices on others and the environment. It is easy to pretend they don't exist when the effects are somewhat removed by time and distance.
Getting a bag at the shop does not have the "very real impact" you're pretending it does.
If environmentalists really cared, they could start a foundation to give away cloth bags to grocery shoppers. That would make things better for people and satisfy the sacred whale issue. But they don't. They mostly only do things when they can make life worse for people -- make us sacrifice.
Wait, you're an adult, and you're still trying to shame people for being good? WTF?
Making life worse for people because you think you're a character in a cartoon story is the opposite of good.
If you want to give up plastic bags or pork or booze or toil on the sabbath, that's cool. Be good. Sending the police out to impose those sorts of taboos on others is evil. And not a "necessary evil" either, just a regular evil.
Why is that relevant. Do we give passes on behavior...
What behavior, specifically, are you talking about? What was the date and time of this behavior? How many people were injured?
Details please. Because if this is just general totalitarian bitching about someone taking offense instead of being cool, then you're damn right Notch should "get a pass" for someone's (opportunistically) hurt feelings for all the millions of people's lives he made a little bit better.
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Shipping companies are only interested in cost and getting the jobs done.
Environmentalists will only accept zero emissions because "we only have 12 years left" (5 months ago).
There's no constituency for half measures and no tolerance for disagreement.
Here's a California case where the cops ended up killing a bicyclist, and one cop also shot the other cop. Because the cyclist was wearing headphones.
There's video:
https://reason.com/blog/2015/1...
Obviously Canada. And it's a fine of $386 Canadian or ~ $290 US. No jail.
Authorities everywhere really love to stick it to people whenever they can remotely justify it. We should all get together and start voting against those sorts of authorities.
Basically, yeah. They are telling the truth (more or less) about how long the travel takes now.
But you would have to guess that many valuable hybrid patents have expired or will expire soon.
There are thousands of them. They don't all expire on the same day.
The Prius came out in Japan in 1997. Patents last for 20 years. The value of these patents is in steep decline already.
If nearly every scientific expert agrees that we are headed to an environmental catastrophe - I listen.
And you think banning plastic bags in New York is the answer. Did "nearly every scientific expert agree" that banning plastic bags in New York would make a significant difference?
No. You don't think banning plastic bags in New York will help in any significant way at all. But you want to do it anyway, because ...? Because you think Asia decides policy based on local rules in New York? (No -- because enacting meaningless restrictions to intrude on New Yorkers' lives provides an emotional release. So fuck them.)
They won't listen to you. Because it's free money for doing nothing. And all they need to do is believe in it and they can get free money. Who wouldn't want to believe?
If it's hard to believe, just add some science fiction robots. Robot are real. So you see, robots will do everything. That's the story. Can't you believe that story so we can all get free money?
People want to be happy! If people like you would believe, we'd all get free money! What's wrong with you?
Weighs the same as a duck.
Here’s a topic I’d go with:
"Stories are not reality and you don't know the future"
Recite extremely ordinary examples of people making up stories based on very common stereotypes of individuals, things they're worried about, etc. People use these made up stories to make decisions, even though they know they just made them up. Then show how the reality is different and the decisions don't make sense.
They've promised to do better though. Just like the other 25 times before this.
I don't think whales are sacred. But I do think they serve as a barometer of the problem.
Slippery slope arguments and "gateway drug" arguments are lazy and phony. Just say you want to choose how your neighbors live their lives and you're happy treating them as your subordinates because you know better than them.
Advanced societies must lead by example.
The examples are our rivers that aren't clogged with trash.
You want to police innocent people's use of ordinary items to somehow communicate to Asians that they shouldn't trash their rivers? Asians don't care about New York grocery bag police. Honestly, whales are sacred is more clearly thought through than that, by a large measure.
Sending the police after people who are minding their own business living their lives -- and not littering -- isn't the answer.
You are conflating unrelated things. A taboo is just a cultural belief and otherwise has no real basis in reality.
Environmental impact of plastic bags is very much real. Dead whales washing up with kilos of bags in their belly is not just a "taboo".
I'm not. I don't believe whales are sacred. You can believe whales are sacred if you want. I think we should have laws to help people, not pretend to help someone's emotional or spiritual attachment to whales.
Also, it's not a whale, it's a story about a whale. And plastic enters the ocean from rivers in Asia and Africa, not because some New York resident forgot her cloth bags on a Tuesday trip to the shop
Making legislation on that is no different than making one against littering.
A dog died from eating chocolate. Ban chocolate?
A woman slipped on a banana peel and fell and broke her arm. Ban bananas?
A baby died of malnutrition because vegan parents wouldn't give her milk. Ban veganism?
Littering is already banned. We don't need to keep banning more and more things. Banning things doesn't lead to a sacred utopia, it leads to everyone looking over their shoulder all the time to make sure the police aren't around so they can live their lives.
... very real impact of our choices on others and the environment. It is easy to pretend they don't exist when the effects are somewhat removed by time and distance.
Getting a bag at the shop does not have the "very real impact" you're pretending it does.
If environmentalists really cared, they could start a foundation to give away cloth bags to grocery shoppers. That would make things better for people and satisfy the sacred whale issue. But they don't. They mostly only do things when they can make life worse for people -- make us sacrifice.
Plastic bags are meaningless either way.
How about if we recycle them or send them to a landfill nowhere near anyone's home?
I don't understand. It was New York that just did something positive for people by further improving the world they live in.
It doesn't. Now do you understand?
They created a plastic bag police — to accomplish nothing.
Wait, you're an adult, and you're still trying to shame people for being good? WTF?
Making life worse for people because you think you're a character in a cartoon story is the opposite of good.
If you want to give up plastic bags or pork or booze or toil on the sabbath, that's cool. Be good. Sending the police out to impose those sorts of taboos on others is evil. And not a "necessary evil" either, just a regular evil.
How about if we all agree not to impose these sorts of religious taboos on each other?
keep sucking putins cock you stupid faggot
You guys sure like making up stories.
We only have one habitable planet, thus far
It's a big wet rock. It doesn't care what bags you use.
-- pays to treat it kindly.
It doesn't care about your feelings or about the stories you tell yourself about your so-called kindness.
You won't be receiving any sort of payment. Sorry. I know how people love to fantasize.
NY: Trying to save the planet
"Save the planet" sounds like you believe you are a superhero in a children’s story.
Tennessee: laws for people — protecting people from local government bullying
New York: laws against people — making life worse for the people there
Happens all the time. Someone has proof the police did something wrong, nothing happens. Zero accountability most of the time.
Why is that relevant. Do we give passes on behavior ...
What behavior, specifically, are you talking about? What was the date and time of this behavior? How many people were injured?
Details please. Because if this is just general totalitarian bitching about someone taking offense instead of being cool, then you're damn right Notch should "get a pass" for someone's (opportunistically) hurt feelings for all the millions of people's lives he made a little bit better.