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Ask Slashdot: What Would It Take For Developers To Start Their Own Union?

juicegg writes "TechCrunch contributor Klint Finley writes that developers have shunned unions because traditional workplace demands like higher pay are not important to us while traditional unions are incapable of advocating for what developers care about most while at work: autonomy and self-management. Is this how most developers feel? What about overtime, benefits, conditions for contractors and outsourcing concerns? Are there any issues big enough to get developers and techies to make collective demands or is it not worth the risk? Do existing unions offer advantages or is it better to start from scratch?"

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  1. Union Programmers by bhlowe · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I know programmers who work for my county that are unionized. Imagine a process where seniority and not coding ability determines who works on a project.

    Imagine a union that helped get the best workers on a project and making the most. A union that helped weed out the lazy, the incompetent, and the criminals. That would be a union that most people would not oppose.. unfortunately the opposite is true: seniority rules, criminals are coddled, lawsuits are filed, work slowdowns are part of the union bag of tricks.

    Unions have no place for the programming industry.. except in government where we expect cost overruns and shoddy results. To start a programming union would be to hasten the outsourcing of your job. Besides, programming jobs are one of the most in-demand careers out there. If you can't make good money without a union, you should bone up on your skills.

  2. Re:Unions are archaic by MarkvW · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Unions are archaic because workers can trust employers to treat them decently.

    The video game industry is a perfect example.

    ORGANIZE!

  3. Technical unions? I don't think so! by miltonw · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Today, unions exist to protect jobs - meaning that a poorly performing worker is protected and cannot be fired.

    Technical people admire knowledge, ability and competence above anything else. And they are disgusted by incompetence, which makes everybody's work more difficult.

    The idea of actually protecting incompetence (via unions) goes against the whole technical culture. No, unions are not coming to the development community.

  4. Re:Does *any* industry start a new union anymore? by crazyjj · · Score: 5, Interesting

    A big problem that I see with white collar office workers is that, traditionally, unions have had to be willing to bust the heads of scabs and besiege workplaces with picket lines to survive (among other things). That's fine if you're Teamsters or other blue-collar workers not afraid to break out bricks and baseball bats when needed in a strike. It's not so easy when you're dealing with office drones who hesitate to say an unkind word.

    If your union is going to succeed, you have to be willing to go all the way. And I seriously doubt that you'll ever get than from any professional field. If your employers know that they can just replace you or outsource you with no repercussions (or, more accurately, with no concussions), then you will never have any real bargaining power.

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