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Judge To Review Whether Foreman In Apple v. Samsung Hid Info

thomst writes "CNet's Greg Sandoval is reporting that Lucy Koh, the Federal judge in the Apple v. Samsung patent infringement case, is reviewing whether jury foreman Velvin Hogan failed to disclose his own patent suit v. Seagate during the jury selection process. Samsung, which lost the suit filed by Apple, has complained that Hogan's failure to disclose his own status as a former patent case plaintiff constituted misconduct serious enough to invalidate the jury's verdict in the case."

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  1. Re:Isn't that a bit of the fox guarding the chicke by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 4, Funny

    So has Hurricane Sandy. Perception is not the issue.

    True but unlike an election or a hurricane, these patent lawsuits seem to last forever.

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  2. Re:Isn't that a bit of the fox guarding the chicke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Informative

    Having sued or having been sued doesn't preclude you from jury duty at all.

    Now, having sued or been sued by someone who is materially connected to the case at hand should preclude you from serving on that particular jury. Huge difference.

  3. Samsung hasn't lost anything yet by DragonWriter · · Score: 5, Informative

    Samsung, which lost the suit filed by Apple

    Samsung hasn't lost the suit filed by Apple. You lose the suit when a court enters judgement against you, and no judgement has yet been entered by the trial court in Apple v. Samsung. A jury verdict has been returned on which the trial court has not yet entered judgement; the judgement in the case might follow the jury verdict, or it might dispense with it. In fact, the entire issue over juror misconduct relates to one of the grounds on which the trial court is being urged not to enter a judgement which reflects the jury verdict, and, if it succeeds, Samsung will not lose the case. This is not an appeal of a case they have lost, it is part of the process of case in the original trial court prior to a judgement being issued.

  4. Obligatory by Savage-Rabbit · · Score: 4, Funny

    Samsung, which lost the suit filed by Apple

    Samsung hasn't lost the suit filed by Apple. You lose the suit when a court enters judgement against you, and no judgement has yet been entered by the trial court in Apple v. Samsung. A jury verdict has been returned on which the trial court has not yet entered judgement; the judgement in the case might follow the jury verdict, or it might dispense with it. In fact, the entire issue over juror misconduct relates to one of the grounds on which the trial court is being urged not to enter a judgement which reflects the jury verdict, and, if it succeeds, Samsung will not lose the case. This is not an appeal of a case they have lost, it is part of the process of case in the original trial court prior to a judgement being issued.

    Well, I suppose loosing a suit is better than being slapped with one:
    http://dilbert.com/strips/comic/2008-02-25/

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    1. Re:Obligatory by Stewie241 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Loosing a suit is a very kind thing to do because it makes it easier for the wearer to breathe and is often much more comfortable. That is, unless you make the suit too loose and it becomes a pain to hold the pants up.

  5. Foreman by Ukab+the+Great · · Score: 4, Funny

    Probably wanted to steal Apple's patented swipe-to-grill gesture.

  6. Re:Isn't that a bit of the fox guarding the chicke by strength_of_10_men · · Score: 5, Informative

    The issue that is under review is whether or not Hogan failed to fully disclose all the lawsuits he's been involved in. From TFA:

    During voir dire, Hogan did disclose that he had been involved in litigation with a former partner when the judge asked him if he had ever been involved in litigation. Hogan has noted, in response to Samsung's allegations, that the judge didn't ask for a complete listing of all the lawsuits he had been involved with.

    Emphasis mine.

    I dug around for the transcript of the jury questioning and found it at Groklaw (PDF alert)

    THE NEXT QUESTION IS, HAVE YOU OR A FAMILY MEMBER OR SOMEONE VERY CLOSE TO YOU EVER BEEN INVOLVED IN A LAWSUIT, EITHER AS A PLAINTIFF, A DEFENDANT, OR AS A WITNESS?

    Mr. Hogan went on the detail that he was involved in a lawsuit involving a former employee and ownership of code. He stopped there. So it seems to me that it's disingenuous at best to claim that the judge didn't request a full list.

    Whether or not this is enough to overturn (or throw out) the verdict is unclear to me as IANAL.

  7. Dec 6th Not just about juror's failure to disclose by Formorian · · Score: 5, Informative

    It's also about the Foreman bringing in other things into the Jury Room during deliberations that weren't part of the trial/judges instructions. IE the prior art must be interchangable to invalidate a patent (among other things, but to me this is a big one). Please see PJ's update at http://www.groklaw.net/article.php?story=20121109045047165

  8. Re:Isn't that a bit of the fox guarding the chicke by Khyber · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Since the cases he never fully disclosed involved patents, you can pretty much assume bias in a patent case and rescind the verdict, for reasons of tainted jury.

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  9. Transcript of jury selection by sl4shd0rk · · Score: 5, Interesting

    The question in the selection transcript was: "have you or a family member or someone very close to you ever been involved in a lawsuit, either as a plaintiff, a defendant, or as a witness? " ..and Hogan never disclosed being sued by Seagate. Seems like that would be all the judge needs to read.

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  10. Re:Like the next Grisham novel by bws111 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    If you were a potential juror, would you want such a thorough investigation (which you did not ask for or have any control over) on your life? And remember, the attorneys are officers of the court, so what you are really suggesting is that the government (court) thoroughly investigate you, just because you MIGHT be called on to perform your civic duty. No thanks.

  11. Re:Isn't that a bit of the fox guarding the chicke by Tough+Love · · Score: 5, Informative

    I will repost what a well informed anonymous coward posted later in the thread...

    The fanbois usually shout down anyone who brings it up, but I will (and will get shouted down):

    Lucy Koh worked for Wilson Sonsini Goodrich & Rosati, through which she received Apple stock during their IPO. Some of the actions of the 'honorable' Koh were pretty nonsensical when you think the point is to uncover the truth: disallowing evidence of Samsung designs that predate the iPhone, injunctions against Samsung products right out of the gate. The injunctions themselves are pretty clear indications of bias as they were almost immediately overturned (reversed and remanded, which shows pretty bad on Koh IMO). And then the situation of all other cases in other countries' courts ruled Samsung did not infringe and, well, you know Occam's Razor, right?

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  12. Not true by Theaetetus · · Score: 4, Informative

    Since the cases he never fully disclosed involved patents, you can pretty much assume bias in a patent case and rescind the verdict, for reasons of tainted jury.

    From here:

    According to Hogan, when Seagate hired him in the 1980s and he moved from Colorado to California, his new employer agreed to split the cost of paying off the mortgage on his Colorado home. But after Hogan was laid off in the early 1990s, he told us, Seagate claimed he owed the company that money. Hogan said he sued Seagate for fraud, Seagate countersued, and he ultimately declared personal bankruptcy to protect his house."

    That suit against Seagate was over breach of contract and fraud, not patents.

  13. Re:Isn't that a bit of the fox guarding the chicke by vux984 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    That question doesn't request a full history, it doesn't even request an explanation. It asks a yes-or-no question.

    The juror's behavior amounts to this, while in voir dire for a rape crime.

    Judge: "Have you or any one close to you ever been charged with a sex crime?"

    Juror: "-sigh- I was charged with indecency for peeing in a dumpster behind a school when I was 19."

    And then not mentioning the rape charges 5 years later...

    When a cop, auditor, or lawyer asks you a question - You give exactly enough information to answer the question, and not half a breath more.

    The juror wasn't on trial nor was he being audited. He was being vetted as a juror. Not disclosing material information is a waste of everyone's time.

  14. Re:Isn't that a bit of the fox guarding the chicke by Digicaf · · Score: 4, Insightful

    True, but that's the problem and the lie of omission.

    If he had just said yes, then there could have been followup asking for full disclosure. But, since he said yes and then gave a followup immediately it would be natural for anyone to think that his followup was complete. Thus, he's guilty of omitting pertinent details that may have affected his standing.

    Here's an example (only hypothetical):
    Question: "Have you ever been arrested in Texas?"
    My Answer: "Yes, I was detained for disorderly conduct but was acquitted"
    Result: Most of the people hearing that would think that was all and go about their business.
    The real story: The above is true, but I was also arrested for several other possibly relevant crimes.
    What happens when they find out: a shit storm

    Sure, the people doing the questioning failed to be exactly precise, but that doesn't mean I wasn't hiding something.