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Patent System Not Broken, Argues IBM's Chief Patent Counsel

New submitter TurinX writes "Unsurprisingly, IBM's Chief Patent Counsel, Manny Schecter, thinks the patent system isn't broken. He says, 'Patent disputes like [the Apple-Samsung case] are a natural characteristic of a vigorously competitive industry. And they're nothing new: Similar skirmishes have historically occurred in areas as diverse as sewing machines, winged flight, agriculture, and telegraph technology. Each marked the emergence of incredible technological advances, and each generated similar outcries about the patent system. We are actually witnessing fewer patent suits per patent issued today than the historical average.'" Regarding software patents, he argues, "If patent litigation caused by the U.S. patent system stifled innovation, U.S. software companies would not be the most successful in the world." His recommendation is that we should be patient and "let the system work." Schecter's editorial at Wired is one of a series of expert opinions on the patent system; we've already discussed Richard Stallman's contribution.

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  1. Well.... really? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The title is all you need to know...

    Patent System Not Broken, Argues IBM's Chief Patent Counsel

    Of course he will say that, his job depends on there being patents to work and litigate with.

    1. Re:Well.... really? by MickyTheIdiot · · Score: 5, Insightful

      You're strawmanning the argument. Only the people on the far extreme want patents abolished. Even Stallman doesn't want that. There are a lot of us that want the system reformed and the rules on WHAT is pattentable scaled back.

      Even if patents were totally elimnated on software the idea that all of a sudden that industries would disappear is hogwash. Software is still covered by copyright and that is how it should be. However the idea that you can patent rounded corners or little details of software programs (some of which are ideas that date back to the early days) needs to go.

    2. Re:Well.... really? by jedidiah · · Score: 3, Insightful

      You are trying to create a false dichotomy. Of course that is bogus. We could simply reform the system. A lot of it would be nothing more than rolling back recent changes. It's like what you do when your production server starts to run amok.

      You don't shoot it, you undo recent changes.

      It's recent changes that have made our patent system mock worthy. It's not the concept in general. We just need a less permissive approach. We need to stop treating the toxic waste that is a 20 year long monopoly as if it were in fact candy.

      20 year monopoly.

      Contemplate what a 20 year technology rollback means to you personally. That's basically what you're advocating for our collective future.

      A patent lawyer defending the current patent system is much like a wannabe patent troll fighting for Apple against Samsung.

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    3. Re:Well.... really? by dcollins117 · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Well, it's not broken for IBM.

      In other news, The financial system is not broken for the 1%.

    4. Re:Well.... really? by dmbasso · · Score: 3, Interesting

      It benefits IBM to keep the status quo.

      It benefits all of the big ones by keeping the small and fast innovators out of the game. They are quite happy (excuse the anthropomorphism) litigating one another. For them it is just part of the business, and we pay for all the costs anyway.

      It would be awesome (and therefore will never happen) if patent protection would not apply for free/libre/open & not-for-profit endeavors. Anybody willing to implement or improve on something patent protected could do so freely, as long as the whole public could benefit from it.

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    5. Re:Well.... really? by simcop2387 · · Score: 3, Informative

      Decade? I think you mean century. IBM for a long time has been one of the largest patent holders around. They've just been far less litigious (AFAIK) about it.

    6. Re:Well.... really? by foniksonik · · Score: 3

      The problem with this argument in the modern era is that few if any "inventions" are used in isolation for profit or as an end product.

      Sure someone could see a widget part and reproduce it but without a supply chain, marketing campaign and sales force in place they would just sit there with a load of widget parts.

      Additionally that widget part probably is useless on its own. More likely that widget part needs lots of other widget parts plus a lot of glue, design, integration engineering and circuitry that will in some way need to be customized. Now lets add in mass production tooling, software or embedded programming to make it all work and various compliance modifications.

      The end result is that the invention is useless until someone includes it in a commercially viable product.

      Currently if someone does all of the work to make a product they then have to also get favorable terms or negotiate cross licensing deals with someone else who doesn't have a product, hasn't put the time or money into it and never has to because they happened to be the first to file an idea.

      The reality is that you can't just take someone's invention/idea and make millions the next day. Just having an idea and writing it down should not allow someone to control that idea for 20 years.

      Companies and individuals can and will make new things because there is a profit to be had. Patents only get in the way of this.

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    7. Re:Well.... really? by drinkypoo · · Score: 3, Insightful

      If it's not costing them money, they benefit for certain.

      It's costing them money, but no more than their competitors, and they have more money. They can ride this horse until everyone else's horses are dead.

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  2. Not logical reasoning by Laxori666 · · Score: 4, Insightful

    "If patent litigation caused by the U.S. patent system stifled innovation, U.S. software companies would not be the most successful in the world."

    This is not an argument at all. It's possible they stifle innovation as it is now, so they would be even better off without the patent system.

    Or, another possibility: Perhaps the patent system is not stifling software companies as much as other businesses as of yet. Do you want it to become as difficult to create a new software company as it currently is to create a new company in any other industry?

    1. Re:Not logical reasoning by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This is not an argument at all.

      I agree with this wholeheartedly.
      Remember when Google went on a patent buying spree? They bought Motorola to help them support Android.
      /. covered the news that Google was buying IBM patents for Android's protection from Apple & Microsoft

      It's not because Google needed the IP, it was to create a patent army to be use in future battles with tech giants.
      That sounds awfully broken to me.

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  3. In related news ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Hen house "perfectly secure", proclaims fox.

  4. Fluff patents by camperdave · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I'm sorry, but when you can patent swinging side to side (US6368227) or teasing your cat with a laser pointer (US5443036), and the infamous rounded corners; it just proves that the system is broken. Whether it is broken beyond repair, needs a serious overhaul, or just needs a bit of tweaking, is up in the air.

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    1. Re:Fluff patents by Nethemas+the+Great · · Score: 4, Interesting

      I remember this one. There's actually a bit of an interesting story to it. Steve Olsen (the inventor) was actually a 5 year old at the time. His father Peter Olsen, a patent attorney, wanted to teach his son about the patent system. I can't find the original (local) article but the NYT had a short write up as well.

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  5. "Fewer suites per patent", but 5x the patents by Baloroth · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Of course there are fewer suits per patent, because there are literally 5 times the number of patent applications as there were 30 years ago. That means nothing. Deceitful bastard of a lawyer... but I repeat myself.

    And of course I don't need to address the "if it wasn't a good idea, we wouldn't be succeeding", around here, do I? So damned fallacious. It's like saying being fat isn't bad for you because people now live longer than they did 100 years ago. A does not follow from B.

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  6. No way! by nedlohs · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Next you'll be telling that accountants don't think the tax system needs simplifying.

  7. Winged flight? by Carnildo · · Score: 4, Insightful

    ...a natural characteristic of a vigorously competitive industry. And they're nothing new: Similar skirmishes have historically occurred in areas as diverse as...winged flight,

    You mean the skirmishes that left Europe doing all the innovating in winged flight for 20 years? The ones that resulted in the US entering World War I with airplanes that weren't much better than the Flyer III?

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  8. Yes it is broken by SuperCharlie · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When patent trolls lay in wait for a successful business and then litigate them into submission, the system is broken. When companies amass patents simply for use as leverage and profit from other companies, the system is broken. When it is necessary to pay thousands of dollars to lawyers, researchers and fees thereby removing the system from the average garage inventor, the system is broken. And finally, when patents become so universal to every breath, every step, every device, and every thought we may have now or in the future, the freaking system is broken. In fact, it is hard to think of ways the system is actually not broken, come to think of it.

  9. Broken by robmv · · Score: 3, Insightful

    US patent system is broken because only big companies can afford that kind of litigation. Small companies only have the option to be bought by someone big enough before they are attacked by patent trolls or competitors that don't want a new actor in their area. But it is understandable that Big IBM want the current state because it is in favor of them, that doesn't means the system is right

  10. Put Up or Shut Up by tgeek · · Score: 3, Interesting

    If Mr. Schechter really wants us to believe the patent system isn't broken, then why doesn't he step aside from IBM and maybe handle a few pro bono cases for small inventors. Then he can come back here and tell us all what a wonderful patent system we enjoy!

  11. With all due respect... by hugg · · Score: 4, Informative

    "Economists also tell us that 75 percent of a company’s value is attributable to its intellectual property (IP) — and that IP-intensive industries contribute $5 trillion per year to the U.S. economy. These industries account for about 35 percent of gross domestic product and 40 million jobs, including 28 percent of the jobs in the United States."

    The report linked in the article discusses copyright, trademark, and patent-intensive industries. Patent-intensive industries are the *lowest* employer of the three, around 4 million as opposed to the 40 million jobs cited. It's misleading to lump all three industries together.

    The same report lists another interesting metric, which is percentage of self-employed workers for each industry. Patent-intensive industries have the lowest number of self-employed workers, at 2.2% (vs 16% for copyright-intensive industries). This indicates to me that patent-intensive industries do not support capital-poor startups very well.

    Of course I would expect counsel for the top patent recipient in the U.S. for two decades running to have differing opinions from my own.

    Source: http://www.uspto.gov/news/publications/IP_Report_March_2012.pdf

  12. Re:Broken For A Long Time by oxdas · · Score: 3, Informative

    Except that the system hasn't been around for a long time. The USPTO only began widely issuing "software patents" since 1993 and the appointment of Bruce Lehman (an IP lobbyist) to head the USPTO. Before that, the stance of the USPTO was that software was not patentable and fought very hard against such patents in the courts. The change in leadership and direction at the USPTO, along with the Supremes taking a 20 year hiatus from hearing software patent cases, allowed the Federal Circuit to make software patents legal and the concept of what is patentable has expanded greatly ever since.

  13. Time for a template? by sootman · · Score: 3, Funny

    "Patent System Not Broken, Argues IBM's Chief Patent Counsel"

    "Moore's Law Is Becoming Irrelevant, Says ARM's Boss"

    Can we have a checkbox to hide "Corporate head makes self-serving statement" stories? They're depressing as hell.

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