With NCLB Waiver, Virginia Sorts Kids' Scores By Race

According to a story at Northwest Public Radio, the state of Virginia's board of education has decided to institute different passing scores for standardized tests, based on the racial and cultural background of the students taking the test. Apparently the state has chosen to divide its student population into broad categories of black, white, Hispanic, and Asian — which takes painting with a rather broad brush, to put it mildly. From the article (there's an audio version linked as well): "As part of Virginia's waiver to opt out of mandates set out in the No Child Left Behind law, the state has created a controversial new set of education goals that are higher for white and Asian kids than for blacks, Latinos and students with disabilities. ... Here's what the Virginia state board of education actually did. It looked at students' test scores in reading and math and then proposed new passing rates. In math it set an acceptable passing rate at 82 percent for Asian students, 68 percent for whites, 52 percent for Latinos, 45 percent for blacks and 33 percent for kids with disabilities." (If officially determined group membership determines passing scores, why stop there?) Florida passed a similar measure last month.

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*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[jerpyro]

Thank you government for pointing us in the complete wrong direction. This is absolutely going to encourage racism.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[ByOhTek]

Agreed. As someone who went through school with severe disabilities (bad vision, an odd hearing issue), and typically surpassed most/all of his classmates, I find such reduction in standards to be idiotic, asinine and down-fucking-right insulting.

If I'm not good enough at something to compete in tests with someone who doesn't have my disabilities, with someone else from a more financially sound background, with someone who is Asian, then I shouldn't get the god damn job.

What next? Reduced vision test requirements for driving, for the visually imparfed? That's just what the world needs, me behind the wheel.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[1s44c]

Thank you government for pointing us in the complete wrong direction. This is absolutely going to encourage racism.

Encourage racism? It is racism.

But then racism was always OK as long as it's anti-white.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[jerpyro]

Just wait until the teachers start grading on a curve and a black kid suffers social consequences because he got an A with a 75% and a white kid got a C with a 75%. Or someone who applies to a job and a "Latino 4.0" is considered substandard to an "Asian 2.0" -- any way you slice it the implications of this are outrageous.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[slim]

But then racism was always OK as long as it's anti-white.

Is this anti-white because blacks need lower marks, or anti-white because Asians need higher marks?

Or could it be that it's just inherently racist in general?

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[Rockoon]

Arguably it isnt the proposed race-based grading standards that is racist, but instead the myriad of reasons why it might be necessary.

What are you going to do if someones culture really does have a significant measurable impact on their learning performance? Tell them that their culture sucks?

This very may well be the least racist solution to the problem that can be implemented by the schools. Of course, the best solution would happen at home, but apparently thats not on the table.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[Znork]

Variance within the groups is far larger than the variance between the groups, which indicates that any selection from culture or race would be wildly inappropriate to use as the main factor that impacts learning performance.

If they for some reason want to grade ability by ability, then they should probably do a battery of learning tests and divide people into groups on that, until everyone gets average grade in their very own grade group, no matter what other groups they may or may not belong to. Which of course negates the entire point of grading at all, for better or worse.

If they actually want to help people who have reduced performance then they can just commit resources to assist anyone who performs badly, and neither race or culture need to enter in to it.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[green1]

But is it good to mark people of different aptitudes differently?

If I'm hiring an accountant, do I think it's ok that they can't do math because their race isn't good at it? Or do I want the math done right and don't care who does it?

The "real world" after you graduate from school doesn't care at all what handicap you overcame to do something, and it doesn't accept any excuses for an inability to perform. If you want to do something, you will be graded on the end result, not on what your background is.

Telling someone who got less than 50% that they are great at that subject just because their skin is a certain colour doesn't do them any favours in the future.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[Bill_the_Engineer]

Why would you say something like that? They are under no obligation to learn better than they do now. It's their choice to work harder. You don't disparage South American indigenous people for their life choices, either (I hope, at least).

I think the problem has more to do with how do they fit in the society in which they live. An aboriginal tribesman in New York City will have a hard time not because he's inferior (which I find measuring a culture versus Western civilization a little disingenuous) but because his lifestyle puts him at a significant disadvantage when compared to his neighbors. So world culture comparisons is really off-topic to what is being discussed.

I think the "elephant in the room" is that we have a single labor market in the US, and trying to grade people on the curve based on their social or ethnic background isn't doing anyone any favors. If a job requires a skill set "A" then we should be able to measure accurately that applicants have skill set "A" not that he would have skill set "A" if he was a certain race or income bracket.

Grading on a social curve isn't really doing anyone any favor and does more to hide problems than fix them.

Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests

[Dishevel]

This is not about what the scholars think.
This is the result of the feds getting involved in education.
The state is under pressure to "Achieve" certain numbers to get their crack. (Money)
The state just wants its funds. Fuck the children. Fuck the future.

Offensive

[Murdoch5]

Passing should be the same for everyone, how long did we have racial profiling laws that made it impossible for equality to exist, now in one move Virginia wants to completely defeat that. If there going to profile kids based of there race do they also seat kids based off there skin color, black kids at the back, Asian's at the front so they can answer the question more easily, whites in the middle to be forgotten and average and Hispanics where ever? Same idea just a different spin, this entire concept is offensive and unethical.

Re:Offensive

[somersault]

And in a few years when applying for jobs: "oh, you got an A? Good job. But it's a Black A, not an Asian A. So I'm going to call it a C. I'm sorry, but you don't qualify for this job".

idiot government

[wbr1]

Test scores have little to do with genetic differences between races. It is about culture and upbringing.
To set different standards only encourages the status quo for a group. Be it hyper achievement (Asians), mediocrity (whites), or under achievement (for the rest). Groups be challenged to rise above culture and conditioning.

Re:Discrimination

[3vi1]

>> but in this case I do feel especially bad for Asian's and Whites given the higher requirement for them.

You've got it backwards: Feel bad for the other races, who won't be pushed to excel to the same level and will therefore be stuck in menial low-pay jobs for the rest of their lives.

Goodbye America

[neither_geek_nor_ner]

Evolution not to be taught, rape victims can control pregnancy by mind control, different standards for different races..... America doesn't need external enemies... they have enough idiots in the country who are doing a better job at destroying it!

Re:You broke your little ships...

[Mordok-DestroyerOfWo]

Aren't blacks always saying no one is pure?

Blacks...and anybody with more than 3 brain cells. We are a very amorous species and will mate with anything regardless of race, color, or creed. In my family tree (to two generations) I have Western European, North African, Mexican, and good ole' Canadian. So, in summation: The only racial purity left is with the hopelessly inbred European royals, nobody is pure and that is a damned good thing for humanity as a whole.

Re:Embarassing day for whites

[pwizard2]

I just wish we could go metric, like the rest of the fucking world. But no, the USA just has to be different with an antiquated system of measurement that no one else uses.