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With NCLB Waiver, Virginia Sorts Kids' Scores By Race

According to a story at Northwest Public Radio, the state of Virginia's board of education has decided to institute different passing scores for standardized tests, based on the racial and cultural background of the students taking the test. Apparently the state has chosen to divide its student population into broad categories of black, white, Hispanic, and Asian — which takes painting with a rather broad brush, to put it mildly. From the article (there's an audio version linked as well): "As part of Virginia's waiver to opt out of mandates set out in the No Child Left Behind law, the state has created a controversial new set of education goals that are higher for white and Asian kids than for blacks, Latinos and students with disabilities. ... Here's what the Virginia state board of education actually did. It looked at students' test scores in reading and math and then proposed new passing rates. In math it set an acceptable passing rate at 82 percent for Asian students, 68 percent for whites, 52 percent for Latinos, 45 percent for blacks and 33 percent for kids with disabilities." (If officially determined group membership determines passing scores, why stop there?) Florida passed a similar measure last month.

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  1. You broke your little ships... by alphatel · · Score: 5, Funny

    My Asian children have become lazy Americans, so I have had them diagnosed with temporary learning disabilities.
    Needless to say they are performing much better than their teachers expect of them, and have won countless awards for bravery in the face of their intellectual blight. Some parents even donate food - so now I don't have to pack any more lunches!

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    1. Re:You broke your little ships... by TheGratefulNet · · Score: 5, Funny

      "B? you get B? not good enough. you asian, not bsian!"

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    2. Re:You broke your little ships... by HornWumpus · · Score: 5, Funny

      Now you've done it.

      Where are these women that 'will mate with anything regardless of race, color, or creed.' I've been looking for girls like that. They're not fat are they?

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  2. *different* scores for *standardized* tests by jerpyro · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Thank you government for pointing us in the complete wrong direction. This is absolutely going to encourage racism.

    1. Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests by ByOhTek · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. As someone who went through school with severe disabilities (bad vision, an odd hearing issue), and typically surpassed most/all of his classmates, I find such reduction in standards to be idiotic, asinine and down-fucking-right insulting.

      If I'm not good enough at something to compete in tests with someone who doesn't have my disabilities, with someone else from a more financially sound background, with someone who is Asian, then I shouldn't get the god damn job.

      What next? Reduced vision test requirements for driving, for the visually imparfed? That's just what the world needs, me behind the wheel.

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    2. Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests by 1s44c · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Thank you government for pointing us in the complete wrong direction. This is absolutely going to encourage racism.

      Encourage racism? It is racism.

      But then racism was always OK as long as it's anti-white.

    3. Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests by jerpyro · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Just wait until the teachers start grading on a curve and a black kid suffers social consequences because he got an A with a 75% and a white kid got a C with a 75%. Or someone who applies to a job and a "Latino 4.0" is considered substandard to an "Asian 2.0" -- any way you slice it the implications of this are outrageous.

    4. Re:*different* scores for *standardized* tests by Bill_the_Engineer · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why would you say something like that? They are under no obligation to learn better than they do now. It's their choice to work harder. You don't disparage South American indigenous people for their life choices, either (I hope, at least).

      I think the problem has more to do with how do they fit in the society in which they live. An aboriginal tribesman in New York City will have a hard time not because he's inferior (which I find measuring a culture versus Western civilization a little disingenuous) but because his lifestyle puts him at a significant disadvantage when compared to his neighbors. So world culture comparisons is really off-topic to what is being discussed.

      I think the "elephant in the room" is that we have a single labor market in the US, and trying to grade people on the curve based on their social or ethnic background isn't doing anyone any favors. If a job requires a skill set "A" then we should be able to measure accurately that applicants have skill set "A" not that he would have skill set "A" if he was a certain race or income bracket.

      Grading on a social curve isn't really doing anyone any favor and does more to hide problems than fix them.

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  3. Offensive by Murdoch5 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Passing should be the same for everyone, how long did we have racial profiling laws that made it impossible for equality to exist, now in one move Virginia wants to completely defeat that. If there going to profile kids based of there race do they also seat kids based off there skin color, black kids at the back, Asian's at the front so they can answer the question more easily, whites in the middle to be forgotten and average and Hispanics where ever? Same idea just a different spin, this entire concept is offensive and unethical.

    1. Re:Offensive by dintech · · Score: 5, Funny

      I think also in Basketball, any basket scored by a white kid should be worth 4 points and if an asian kid scores, it should be worth 6.

    2. Re:Offensive by CowTipperGore · · Score: 5, Informative

      No, and if you bothered to read past the intentionally flamebait summary, you would see that isn't what they're doing.

      The NCLB act requires states to meet benchmarks on student standardized testing and to demonstrate progress in areas where they are deficient. Virginia's proposal actually makes sense, for the most part. They have identified that their scores can be segregated into cohorts that are easy to track. Rather than expect the entire population to meet overall improvement levels each year, they want to raise up each group at rate realistic for them. If a category of students are consistently scoring at 50%, a second group at 75%, and a third group at 85%, they are saying it makes more sense to expect each group to demonstrate progress instead of just asking the entire population to hit, for example, 80%.

      This change has no impact on the expectations of individual students. The new pass rates are for how they track their progress as a state. Virginia wants to say that if they can show that group 1 improved from a 50% to 62% in three years, they have succeeded with them even if the state didn't hit a global target.

      The problem I have is that race is being used as a proxy for what is most likely a set of complex socio-economic factors. Bringing in more wealthy Hispanics will most assuredly raise that population's test scores without the state doing anything differently. But cultural and social indicators are more difficult to track than a few big racial categories, so they've picked an easy but weak measurement tool.

  4. Misleading Headline: Rates not Scores by devnullkac · · Score: 5, Informative

    The headline is misleading. The actual pass/fail line for each student is unchanged. The state is changing what it considers an acceptable aggregate rate of passing for groups of students, choosing race as the criterion for grouping. The stated rationale is that students of different races have different starting points, so it makes sense to seek different final achievement levels. But even if you accept that approach, it seems lazy to use race as a surrogate for academic starting point.

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  5. Re:Discrimination by 3vi1 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    >> but in this case I do feel especially bad for Asian's and Whites given the higher requirement for them.

    You've got it backwards: Feel bad for the other races, who won't be pushed to excel to the same level and will therefore be stuck in menial low-pay jobs for the rest of their lives.

  6. Re:FL vs VA by geminidomino · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Florida appears to have set the passing rate (and not the passing scores) differently (per TFA); while VA simple set different passing scores.

    No, Virginia didn't. The shitty summary just made it look like they did.

    Another ref, besides TFA: [Citation]

    The new standards still require every student, regardless of background, to correctly answer the same number of questions to pass SOL tests.

    For example, every student who takes the third-grade math exam must answer correctly 23 of 35 questions to pass, no matter their race or background. ...
    The state did set new pass rates, or goals for how many students in each group pass each exam.

    Using the same example of the third-grade math test: the state goal is for 45 percent of black students to answer 23 of 35 items correctly and for 82 percent of Asian students to answer 23 of 35 items correctly.

    It's still stupid, ignorant, and racist as all get-out (redundancy noted), but black students won't be getting "C" grades for 45% scores.

  7. Why Do You See This as Anti-White? by eldavojohn · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Encourage racism? It is racism.

    When I was a kid, I used to think that racism didn't happen. It was so illogical and obviously wrong. Even books that portrayed racism that "just was" in my countries past seemed to be set with an alien mentality. But then as I grew older I was exposed works like "American History X" (the son's descent into racism had flawed but plausible logic behind it) and it slowly dawned on me that there are experiences in life that encourage racism that are far more detrimental than simply being racist. Because they propagate it and it survives past the last generation on and on and anew again.

    For example, let's say you were (and this is purely hypothetical by the way) beaten and mugged by Hispanics which led you to distrust any person even remotely resembling your attackers. It's wrong for you to scream at your housemaid that was paid to clean your house by your cleaning company. And it's wrong for you to call them up and hurl racial slurs at them for putting your life and property in danger. However, the really problematic aspect of that is when you sit down with your progeny when they're little and explain to them why people with a certain color to their skin are not to be trusted. This is something that encourages racism instead of just being racist.

    But then racism was always OK as long as it's anti-white.

    Well, I didn't really read this as anti-white. I saw this as actually racist towards all races since they are binning these young minds based on external appearances. Instead of trying to buck a trend, they have embraced it. To shed this discussion of your "it's anti-white" bias, allow me to relay what I see as being the real fallout from this action: an obsessive Asian student scores 100 on this test but an African American child scores 65 and is seen as being more successful than the Asian student. This allows students to progress on the path of education and causes resentment from the Asian child directed at the African American child. "They got it easy" will probably be the sentiment but could spawn a deep seated hatred or other negative stereotypes of their classmates. No need to bring Caucasian students in to that picture or claim it's just "anti-white."

    Could you explain and give examples of racism that is okay because it's "anti-white"?

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  8. Re:What about kids with multiple races? by HexaByte · · Score: 5, Funny

    Wait a minute - I need to know what race you are so I can see how accurate your

    back-of-the-envelope calculations

    are.

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  9. They're doing it wrong by Swave+An+deBwoner · · Score: 5, Funny

    They screwed it up.

    They shouldn't be classifying the kids into "racial" categories first and then setting grade requirements; that's silly.

    They should assign the kids to racial categories based on their test scores instead.

  10. Re:Embarassing day for whites by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    After finishing the still, finishing the math PhD was the hardest thing I ever did.

    Maybe you did these two things in the wrong order?

  11. JEREMY LIN SCORES 228 POINTS VERSUS LAKERS! by KarrdeSW · · Score: 5, Funny

    A week after the NBA's adoption of handicapped scoring based on racial backgrounds and disabilities, Jeremy Lin brought home an impressive performance, scoring 228 points in a single game. However, this wasn't enough to best the Lakers' newest recruit, a kid with no arms, whose managed to kick a single penalty free throw into the basket for a weighted point value of 685.