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Government Surveillance Growing, According To Google

SternisheFan writes with news that Google has updated is Transparency Report for the sixth time, and the big takeaway this time around is a significant increase in government surveillance. From the article: "In a blog post, Google senior policy analyst Dorothy Chou says, ' [G]overnment demands for user data have increased steadily since we first launched the Transparency Report.' In the first half of 2012, the period covered in the report, Chou says there were 20,938 inquiries from government organizations for information about 34,614 Google-related accounts. Google has a long history of pushing back against governmental demands for data, going back at least to its refusal to turn over search data to the Department of Justice in 2005. Many other companies have chosen to cooperate with government requests rather than question or oppose them, but Chou notes that in the past year, companies like Dropbox, LinkedIn, Sonic.net and Twitter have begun making government information requests public, to inform the discussion about Internet freedom and its limits. According to the report, the U.S. continues to make the most requests for user data, 7,969 in the first six months of the year. Google complied with 90% of these requests. Google's average compliance rate for the 31 countries listed in the report is about 47%."

105 comments

  1. And this angers Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    They don't like competition.

  2. sure glad google never surveils me! by peter303 · · Score: 0, Troll

    Pot calling the kettle

    1. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Most things are worse when the government does it.

    2. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by fiannaFailMan · · Score: 0

      Most things are worse when the government does it.

      Such as road building? Defense? Health? Fire departments?

      (Let the flame war begin)

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    3. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by green1 · · Score: 2

      Although I do see your point, there is a subtle difference. I can choose not to use Google...

    4. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by BMOC · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Well I seem to recall the following things being quite bad when the government does them:

      - Phones
      - Electricity
      - Television/Radio Decency Standards
      - Drug enforcement
      - Energy planning
      - Political News Reporting
      - Overall News Reporting
      - Responding to Crises (Katrina, Gulf Oil Spill, Sandy)
      - Respect for Personal Property
      - Crime Investigation

      Road Building, Defense, Fire Departments, and health care usually get tonnes of money thrown at them. For the price paid, Government generally does a terrible job on those as well. But because we overspend, it's arguable they do a good job of it. If you want to see government employees disappointing you, go find some area where they're paid badly, or have budgets that are being scaled back regularly.

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    5. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by BoberFett · · Score: 5, Insightful

      America's roads and bridges are crumbling as we rebuild them in Iraq.

      Defense hasn't been defense in an awfully long time, it's the Department of Offense. And they spend trillions to blow up tents in the middle of nowhere.

      Medicare accounts for half of all healthcare spending in this country, and only covers a small portion of us.

      Fire departments are run locally, and the only thing on this list which is run reasonably well.

      I think it's safe to say that the federal government does things pretty poorly.

    6. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Amazing. So people who are underpaid on missions that are underfunded don't perform as well as YOU would like them to? I'll alert the media.

      You complain government does things badly, cite some good examples mixed in with some pretty questionable ones, and just know you're right, huh?

      You know that outside the "all government is always bad" bubble that there are people in this country who, to this day, would not have electricity or phones were it not for government action. You cite two disasters and throw in one very recent politicized one where most failures have been PRIVATE (power, gas, fuel) and you blame government for not fixing what they don't control? Oh, and your middle crisis was a direct result of private industry hubris and stupidity and you blame government for not fixing their mess? (I blame government for allowing that kind of drilling in the first place, but that's another matter.)

      I practically turn purple railing against overly intrusive "law enforcement" tactics by government thugs. I know that law enforcement is the cause of massive amounts of ruined lives and ended lives. I know we need to strip them of their power, badly. I also know that other kinds of things government does actually work, and I really know that a lack of objective analysis coupled with plenty of self delusion leads to some very interesting results. I think the person you most likely voted for in the presidential election learned that the hard way recently.

    7. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Can you *really* choose not to use Google?

      If your ISP uses Postini as part of their e-mail system, you are using Google.

      If you go to a web site that has Google custom search installed, you used Google just by downloading the custom search widget even without searching.

      If you visit any website also using google-analytics, googleusercontent, gstatic, or doubleclick ads, you have used Google by downloading their page code even if the rich media content is blocked.

      If you post to Usenet, Google archives your post, you have effectively used Google Groups. (X-No-Archive posts have a 7 day window in which they can be quoted as part of a reply before they are removed from Groups.)

      At the minimum Google still has your IP address and browser user agent when you have passively ended up using Google.

      Do a view search on any non-SSL web page, notice that Google is all the f**king over the place on the web!

      This is why Google needs to be stopped, not just favoring their own products in search.

    8. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Capsaicin · · Score: 1

      Most things are worse when the government does it.

      Which do you mean? That Google is much more efficient at surveilling us than any government could hope to be? Or that it was unfortunate that Google's DB fell into the hands of the Chinese government and may in the future fall into the hands of a government which governs you?

      Thinking of changing my sig to:If Chrome were the last browser on earth ... I would browse with wget.

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      Better to be despised for too anxious apprehensions, than ruined by too confident a security. --Edmund Burke
    9. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by ShanghaiBill · · Score: 2

      Fire departments are run locally, and the only thing on this list which is run reasonably well.

      They run even better with less government involvement. Several years ago I was a member of a volunteer fire department. Only the chief was a government employee. Everyone else was an unpaid volunteer. We had one pumper truck, and rest of our vehicles were pickup trucks, parked at the home of a volunteer in each neighborhood. What we lacked in professional training and equipment, we made up with really fast response times, which is the single most important factor in fighting fires. I don't understand why volunteer fire depts are not more common.

    10. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think it's safe to say that the federal government does things pretty poorly.

      Whew... it's a good thing we're not letting them take over health care, or spend more of our tax dollars

      Oh, wait.

    11. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Bing+Tsher+E · · Score: 1

      Regarding Google and Chrome: I have started using an Andriod tablet. At first it made me nervous, because you are very "checked in" to the googleplex when using Chrome on an Android tablet. Everything is keyed to your Google Play account, and you're generaly logged in on your account when using the browser. Then I discovered Firefox for Android. Now it's almost the only browser I use on my Galaxy Tab.

    12. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by green1 · · Score: 2

      If you really want to avoid google, it only takes a few host entries and you'll find most sites still work just fine, with no google tracking.

      Try that to opt out of your government...

    13. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      governments do things like mandatory evacuation of entire neighborhoods, forget to shut off the gas, and wonder why it ALL burns down. - safely.
      people listen to them. mostley because the government will take somebody else's money and reimburse them.
      Unless you live in california. Then you're just plain fucked.

    14. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Runaway1956 · · Score: 1

      That's rather naive, I think. Google is a corporation, one which people agree to certain conditions in order to use the corporation's services.

      On the other hand, the government is supposed to work for the people. In fact, we have a constitution that was meant to limit government's powers and authority. That constitution granted us rights, and limited government's rights.

      You can fight against Google's snooping without worrying about prison time. Fighting government snooping may very well land you in prison.

      Just think about it.

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      "Windows is like the faint smell of piss in a subway: it's there, and there's nothing you can do about it." - Charlie Br
    15. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      do the words search revenues and mozilla foundation and google go together in a sentence?
      if you were seious you would be using lynx. :)

    16. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 3, Insightful

      the following things being quite bad when the US government does them:

      FTFY

      Many other governments around the world manage these things reasonably effectively. Your government seems more ideological/theological/tribally driven than most, which makes practical approaches to service provision less likely.

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    17. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 2

      I have to say that I'm not completely sure about that. When the government obtains tons of personal information about you, they can use it against you. When a corporation in the US obtains tons of personal information about you, they'll probably use it to make more money... but the government will also try to get access to that information, and if they do get it (which they probably will), they'll use it against you. In that scenario, it's possible that numerous entities get your information. As long as the government can simply ask corporations for information without a warrant and is able to use it in court against you, I'll have to say that it's getting to the point where it's worse if a corporation gets your information.

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    18. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have to say that I'm not completely sure about that. When the government obtains tons of personal information about you, they can use it against you. When a corporation in the US obtains tons of personal information about you, they'll probably use it to make more money... but the government will also try to get access to that information, and if they do get it (which they probably will), they'll use it against you. In that scenario, it's possible that numerous entities get your information. As long as the government can simply ask corporations for information without a warrant and is able to use it in court against you, I'll have to say that it's getting to the point where it's worse if a corporation gets your information.

      Yes but government does not use its surveillance apparatus against everybody constantly with anything like the intensity or invasiveness companies like Google do. Government efforts tend to be focused on small groups. Google, Facebook and the rest of that ilk have shown that they are willing to circumvent browser security, ignore do-not-track requests etc. to obtain data. These companies conduct way more surveillance PER CITIZEN than govt. ever does. Even if you never sign up to Google services they'll still know some pretty intimate things about you that the govt. will never know or bother to find out unless you join a drug cartel or set up an Al Quaeda cell. Things like for example that you are gay, or that you like fat girls, that you have erectile dysfunction or, if you are female, that you can't achieve orgasms during vaginal intercourse, that you have a recurring fungal infection in an embarrasing place .... the list goes on....

    19. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by ozmanjusri · · Score: 0

      A study of cost-effectiveness in reducing mortality rates shows that the countries with the top 10 most efficient systems are:

      1 Ireland

      2 UK

      3 New Zealand

      4 Austria

      5 Australia

      6 Italy

      7 Finland

      8 Japan

      9 Spain

      10 Sweden

      Note that most of those countries have predominately public healthcare systems, compared to the mainly private healthcare system used in the USA.

      The USA was 23rd out of 24 countries surveyed, and according to the authors of the study "The USA results are perhaps not a surprise as a recent UNICEF report showed that in terms of material wellbeing the USA general population was below OECD inequality average, being 23rd out of 24 countries reviewed; were 19th, with regard to educational wellbeing, and for health and wellbeing 22nd, and currently the USA child (0 – 14) mortality is the highest among Western countries.
      Consequently, on these measures the US healthcare system is the least effective and efficient of Western countries"

      http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-files/Guardian/documents/2011/08/07/JRSMpaperPritWall.pdf

      To summarise: Stop doing what you're doing and look at what the countries above are doing.

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      "I've got more toys than Teruhisa Kitahara."
    20. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by EuclideanSilence · · Score: 1

      The constitution doesn't just limit the governments powers, it enumerates them.

    21. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Medicare accounts for half of all healthcare spending in this country, and only covers a small portion of us.

      Maybe that's because they are insuring the elderly who tend to be, you know, more likely to be sick.

    22. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by cheekyjohnson · · Score: 1

      These companies conduct way more surveillance PER CITIZEN than govt.

      Right, but my entire point was that the government can get this data from the companies, and then multiple entities have the it; one of them (the government) can ruin your life. Because corporations so freely hand over the data to the government, it can sometimes be worse if a corporation is the one who gets the data, in my opinion.

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    23. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by icebraining · · Score: 1

      So what if they do? Do you have any evidence of Mozilla tracking users without their consent, or are you just defaming them?

    24. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I think it's safe to say that the federal government does things pretty poorly.

      I disagree. I think it is safe to say that some people have figured out how to insert themselves in between the government programs and the people. They are like leeches or ticks that have become swollen and bloated, not realizing that they are literally (yes, literally) killing the host with their excesses.

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    25. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by t1oracle · · Score: 1

      I can see it now. The Microsoft police only answer calls from Windows phones and the officers always have the flu. Then there's the self-driving Google ambulance that requires a DNA sample as it shows you ads relevant to your current medical condition. Don't even get me started on the Apple hospital, it's literally a walled garden and the jello costs $20.

    26. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by moeinvt · · Score: 1

      "....compared to the mainly private healthcare system used in the USA."

      How is the USA healthcare system "mainly private"? Two government programs Medicare & Medicaid account for the bulk of healthcare expenditures in the USA. Government mandates such as EMTALA are pervasive. Government places artificial barriers to competition in healthcare services, insurance and prescription drugs. Insurance policies face further mandates about what they absolutely must cover.

      It's a massive government cluster**** that people and businesses in the private sector are forced to deal with.

      The USA government's 45 year intervention in the healthcare system has been a complete disaster. Suggesting that MORE government is the way to fix a problem caused by government is ludicrous.

      Yes, the USA government should stop doing what it's doing and GET OUT of areas where they never belonged in the first place.

    27. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by mcgrew · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      - Phones

      When has government been in the telephone business?

      - Electricity

      You're ignorant. My power company, CWLP, is run by the city. We have the lowest rates, the best uptime, and the best customer service in the state. Why? Because if the poor suckers a town away get shitty customer service or a lot of outages or high rates, there's not a god damned thing they can do about it. On the other hand, if our service suffers, we get a new Mayor next election.

      - Television/Radio Decency Standards

      A whole lot of people LIKE those standards.

      - Drug enforcement

      There should be no such thing, except that the FDA should continue regulating purity of drugs and dosages.

      - Energy planning

      What energy planning?

      - Political News Reporting

      Are you on crack, son? The government has nothing to do with political news reporting; FOX and CNN do. And they're NOT government entities!

      - Overall News Reporting

      Again, lay down the fucking pipe. It's eating your brain.

      - Responding to Crises (Katrina, Gulf Oil Spill, Sandy)

      Yeah, Bush was the worst President in my six decades, but if you think they did a bad job on the Gulf spill or Sandy, well, again, put the fucking pipe away!

      - Respect for Personal Property

      I haven't had government not respect my personal propery, but Sony vandalized my computer and it wasn't even a Sony computer.

      - Crime Investigation

      My house was burglarized last year, the culprit was in jail that night. Have you ever been a crime victim? I thought not.

      Who modded this idiot "insightful"? Another drug-addled moron?

    28. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      They run even better with less government involvement. Several years ago I was a member of a volunteer fire department. Only the chief was a government employee. Everyone else was an unpaid volunteer. We had one pumper truck, and rest of our vehicles were pickup trucks, parked at the home of a volunteer in each neighborhood. What we lacked in professional training and equipment, we made up with really fast response times

      Several years ago my car caught fire. I was on my way down to the St Louis area to see some friends, and was first going to my daughter's in a nearby town who had a volunteer fire department.

      It took almost an hour for you yahoos to show up. Had my car caught fire on a weekday I'd not have lost the car (assuming they're as fast as you say). If It had caught fire in Springfield with its city-run professionals I wouldn't have lost it.

      Fast, my ass. Maybe yours is, but Chatham's sure isn't. Tell me, why would a volunteer fire department be faster than professionals? I've had to call for an ambulance twice, and in both cases the fire department was there in under five minutes but it took the corporate-run ambulance fifteen (the firetruck and its medics always shows up when you call an ambulance here).

    29. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      That constitution granted us rights, and limited government's rights.

      Wrong. It enumerates government powers and says that anything not granted to the feds is your right or your state's right. It does NOT gurantee rights, although the first ten amendments do quantify certain rights. But see the tenth amendment, which says that your rights are not limited by the Bill of Rights.

    30. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by BoberFett · · Score: 1

      That is inevitable in a bloated bureaucracy.

    31. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by BMOC · · Score: 1

      No, you're actually entirely incorrect. It has nothing to do with the ideological stance of the government, it has everything to do with the size of the government. The U.S. Government is quite probably the largest single employer in the world. If not it's definitely in the top 5. When you have a massive system of shitty employees who cannot be fired trying to meet the needs of hundreds of millions of people, you are bound to get absolute sh*t everywhere.

      Other governments in other countries are likely much better, especially when compared to Europe, but it's the SIZE that matters, not the ideology. If you want to compare on equal/fair footing, compare the best states in the U.S. with the best countries in Europe.

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    32. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amazing... A troll is modded "insightful" and the person who pointed that out - "flamebait". So many idiots with modpoints... Amazing...

    33. Re:sure glad google never surveils me! by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Troll? Flamebait? WTF? It's entirely factual and non-inflammatory. I guess any time anyone says anything positive about government is troll and flamebait?

      You got one thing right -- bad moderation.

  3. Is this surprising? by heypete · · Score: 4, Insightful

    More and more of people's lives take place on the internet.

    Things that used to be ephemeral (telephone calls, letters, etc.) are becoming long-lived (emails, social networking posts, instant messages, etc.) and are useful investigative toosl.

    Previously the police needed to get telephone records and then analyze the calling records to form connections. With social networks like Facebook, people do it for them.

    Can the authorities abuse their position of power for various nefarious deeds? Absolutely. Are some of their requests legally or ethically dubious? No doubt. Nevertheless, there's plenty of legitimate reasons for governments to request user information and it should come as no surprise that the number of such requests is increasing.

    That said, it's nice to see that major players like Google are quantifying the requests and the reasons behind them, as well as pushing back against such demands.

    1. Re:Is this surprising? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The criminals that are stupid enough to use these sites for criminal coordination can probably be caught without spying on the rest of us.

    2. Re:Is this surprising? by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      I'd like to see more of the other big information collectors volunteer this same information, and even better, push back against them and demand a warrant, as they should. You see most people here slinging anti-Google FUD, and they're the *best* of the bunch (although still demanding warrants as they should).

    3. Re:Is this surprising? by Adrian+Lopez · · Score: 1

      Can the authorities abuse their position of power for various nefarious deeds? Absolutely. Are some of their requests legally or ethically dubious? No doubt. Nevertheless, there's plenty of legitimate reasons for governments to request user information and it should come as no surprise that the number of such requests is increasing.

      The problem with "legitimate" requests begins when they become so routine that they end up as fishing expeditions rather than legitimate criminal investigations.

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      "In prison you just have to shut your eyes and take it. Here you have to shut your eyes and give it."
  4. One-stop shopping for infprmation... by tlhIngan · · Score: 2

    What did Google expect? That government wouldn't see that social networking sites and Google's press for personal information would be an attractive target?

    After all, what once required actually boots hitting the ground, gathering of data, and correllating it together can be fulfilled with a simple, easy and no-fuss request to Google and the like, why wouldn't the government do that? It's cheaper, easier, and faster. And Google keeps demanding more information from you, making it even MORE tempting for government.

    Of course, it's not like Google can do anything about it - they depend on knowing lots about you to begin with in order to pay the bills.

    1. Re:One-stop shopping for infprmation... by BMOC · · Score: 2

      I remember the days when my friends laughed at me for never starting a facebook page. I kept telling them that what they were doing by putting their entire lives on a single company's database was no different than handing it to any 3-letter agency. They thought I was crazy/paranoid/backwards. Of course they usually thought this as I was fixing their computer for them.

      Now the damage is done. It's highly likely that elections are being won with the volunteered information and raw database-crunching power available to various groups now. You may say that there's no obvious problem with this, but I would prefer that politicians dance for the intelligent rather than expertly manipulate the retarded among us.

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    2. Re:One-stop shopping for infprmation... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why would Google want to "do anything about it" anyway?

      Contrary to popular belief, Google isn't in business for our benefit, but for a good old-fashioned profit motive. And they personally store, quite possibly, as much information about you as any government. (Of course there's no way to know for sure, because Google's own business practices are about as transparent as a sack of soot.)

    3. Re:One-stop shopping for infprmation... by a_hanso · · Score: 2

      Google has done more to damage online anonymity than any other entity, commercial or otherwise. They force you to create real name accounts whenever they can get away with doing so and call it an 'identity service'. They want your real world contact info to create any account with them, then consolidate all those accounts and then they drive the other services (who don't yet do it) out of business. When the government comes with a warrant, they just hand the data over. Anonymity is the last line of defense against despotism and Google is killing it. [/rant]

  5. Google Should Know by boudie2 · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Whatever happened to "Don't be evil"? And how many tens of thousands of enquiries from "government agencies" does one have to receive before one is not acting as a subject but rather as an arm of that same government. And, at what point do people have to say "enough"?

    1. Re:Google Should Know by Githaron · · Score: 1

      The real question is whether or not Google waits for a warrant before they give out information.

    2. Re:Google Should Know by BMOC · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Thanks to Bush and Obama for their secret interpretations of various parts of FISA + Patriot Act, the answer is likely no.

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    3. Re:Google Should Know by Nexion · · Score: 1

      Google can no longer claim that slogan. They gave it up when challenged by Yahoo and a few others.

    4. Re:Google Should Know by green1 · · Score: 1

      Considering the number of laws these days that specifically avoid warrants, I doubt they even have much choice anymore. The best thing they can do really is what you see here, making sure as many people as possible know about it. On a side note, i love how they handle DMCA takedown requests on their search results, you click on the link at the bottom of the page, and it gives you a list of links that someone wanted removed. It's brilliant!

    5. Re:Google Should Know by Githaron · · Score: 2

      So in other words, this is a government problem not a Google problem.

    6. Re:Google Should Know by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      How exactly would per-user encryption help? You can encrypt your emails if you want, but if Google does it per user, they still have the key. This is very much a government problem. If Google doesn't have to hand to hand over the data but does anyway, it's a Google problem as well. As I've said above though, Google's probably the *least* evil of the big data corps.

    7. Re:Google Should Know by Jah-Wren+Ryel · · Score: 1

      So in other words, this is a government problem not a Google problem.

      Yes and no. The government wouldn't be so interested in google if their surveilance model weren't so similar to google's business model - centralized collection of as much data as possible for data mining purposes.

      In google's defense, their publication of this information is about the best we can hope for from them to counter what are practically secret fishing expeditions, short of them using their lobbyists to convince congress to reign in the DOJ/DHS.

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    8. Re:Google Should Know by Githaron · · Score: 2

      Fine. Replace the word Google with any company that you would like that collects user data. The fact of the matter is that if company X wants to remain licensed as a business, they have to comply with legal government orders. Yes, company X is collecting the data but the users know the data is being collected. Most likely, company X has a publicly accessible privacy policy. No user is being forced to use the services of company X. Now if company X, starts giving the government access to restricted user data in order to curry favor or avoid hassle, they are in the wrong. If they are giving the government access because of a court order, it is the government the holds the sole blame if they wrongly access the data.

    9. Re:Google Should Know by Zigg · · Score: 1

      How exactly would per-user encryption help? You can encrypt your emails if you want, but if Google does it per user, they still have the key.

      The fact that currently, encryption would have to happen at Google smells to me like a gigantic flaw in the whole "web apps for everything" mantra. I can not only encrypt when I run my own mail client with standard protocols, but I even get to choose whether I want to go S/MIME or PGP. Neither is an option in the webmail space unless I want to delegate crypto to the service provider.

      (Depending on your conspiracy bent, you could also say this constitutes a non-flaw from Google's perspective.)

    10. Re:Google Should Know by Nerdfest · · Score: 1

      Google supports IMAP which you can use to encrypt of course, but I think there are a few webmail clients that will do it for you as well. And yes, I would think that most people being too lazy (or just plain not technically competent) is a plus from Google's perspective. Then again, you're trading your personal information for their services, and they're not being particularly backhanded about it. Many people consider it an acceptable trade. Personally I'd like to see the laws changed so that a warrant is required to access personal information from a private company. Privacy laws should demand it if nothing else.

    11. Re:Google Should Know by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      I so agree. I don't know who originally said this quote, but it's apt.

      "Democracy does not come from governments. Democracy comes from the people."

    12. Re:Google Should Know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Google has seemed to embrace the former Soviet Union style of store everything about everyone so it can be used against them at any time.

      What, you think embarassing or derogatory web content showing up at the top of the search is an accident? This is the the unannounced double-secret key to their algorithm! If there is anything derogatory, mocking, or embarassing to a person, that information WILL be at the top of the search results. This is why they are so slow to change those searches--they want this!

      What, you think they really were following the Don't Be Evil motto? Look at the origin of the founders of Google, they are Russian. One of them even migrated from the Soviet Union as a child.

      Treat Google as the rebirth of the former Soviet Union as an online entity and treat them as if they are a Red Scare to be avoided. Block anything Google as much as possible and they'll have minimum information to store against you except for an IP address and maybe a browser user agent.

    13. Re:Google Should Know by boudie2 · · Score: 1

      They may be posting embarassing or scandalous items at the top of their search results, but I have noticed in the past that certain individuals have almost nothing about them. In particular, one former Canadian politician who was in the news every day for a couple years regarding a sex scandal. When I google his name almost nothing shows up, perhaps 2 or 3 general articles. What's the deal with that? I've read that there are persons who claim to get things "removed" from Google . The other day I googled "Bob Dylan Ten Of Swords" and got a whole page of Chilling Effects warnings. Dylan's lawyers must keep very busy. And yeah, as much as they perturb me, I use their stuff all the time.

    14. Re:Google Should Know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Do these searches also include Google Groups? Likely, any posts bashing or ridiculing those individuals are near the top of the search.

    15. Re:Google Should Know by chowdahhead · · Score: 1

      Google represents a small chunk of data collection though. Facebook, ISP's, cell and landline companies, EZ pass tolls, credit agencies, Microsoft, Apple, Yahoo...it's a long list. At least Google is transparent about what information is being collected, what it's used for, and how it's accessed. That's kind of unique in this post-9/11 age, and I think that supports their "Don't be evil" mantra.

    16. Re:Google Should Know by RocketRabbit · · Score: 1

      No, I will not replace anything. Including any company that profiles is more correct.

  6. Overrated, Outdated Values. by Robert+Bowles · · Score: 1

    War is Peace
    Freedom is Slavery
    Ignorance is Strength

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    /* MAGIC THEATRE
    ENTRANCE NOT FOR EVERYBODY
    MADMEN ONLY */
  7. Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I know most people don't care because they don't feel they're doing anything wrong, but for people like me, this is just another show of how over-reaching the government is becoming.

    1. Re:Government by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      I know most people don't care because they don't feel they're doing anything wrong, but for people like me, this is just another show of how over-reaching the government is becoming.

      Everyone is innocent, until a government decides otherwise.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    2. Re:Government by ISoldat53 · · Score: 0

      If you're innocent you have nothing to fear.

    3. Re:Government by CanHasDIY · · Score: 2

      If you're innocent you have nothing to fear.

      But it was all right, everything was all right, the struggle was finished. He had won the victory over himself. He loved Big Brother.

      If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    4. Re:Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Bullshit. Besides, no one is innocent. With as many laws as we have, do you really think there is any individual haven't broken at least one of them? If you are "innocent", it simply means you haven't pissed off anyone in power yet.

    5. Re:Government by Githaron · · Score: 1

      You are supposed to warn people about spoilers.

    6. Re:Government by thegrassyknowl · · Score: 1

      Everyone is innocent, until a government decides otherwise.

      Try telling this to the "if you aren't doing anything wrong you have nothing to fear" crowd. Their response is invariably "the government would never do that".

      --
      I drink to make other people interesting!
    7. Re:Government by CanHasDIY · · Score: 1

      You are supposed to warn people about spoilers.

      My bad.

      **SPOILER ALERT** - Juliet didn't actually poison herself.

      --
      An enigma, wrapped in a riddle, shrouded in bacon and cheese
    8. Re:Government by mcgrew · · Score: 1

      Not if the book is older than you, especially one as widely known as 1984.

  8. Neato by koan · · Score: 1

    Is there anywhere that I can see exactly whose records were requested? Or is it all done in bulk?

    --
    "If any question why we died, Tell them because our fathers lied."
    1. Re:Neato by aNonnyMouseCowered · · Score: 1

      You won't know until you get a call or worse a visit from the Feds. Ask a certain ex-CIA director. I know it's evil to be spied on by somebody else but your neighbor, but just imagine the civil rights uproar that would arise should the list be made public.

  9. Who didn't know? by CheshireDragon · · Score: 1

    Street view, drones(they are starting this in Texas), TSA, mobile devices, GPS, facial recognition and most everyone is on that database now.

    *checks tinfoil hat placement*

    --
    "That's right...I said it."
    1. Re:Who didn't know? by Githaron · · Score: 1

      Time to make masks the next big thing in fashion.

    2. Re:Who didn't know? by WrecklessSandwich · · Score: 3, Funny

      *checks tinfoil hat placement*

      Just gonna leave this here... http://berkeley.intel-research.net/arahimi/helmet/

    3. Re:Who didn't know? by SternisheFan · · Score: 1
      Even a paranoid can have enemies. Henry A. Kissinger

      Just because they really are out to get you doesn't mean you aren't paranoid.- Steven Brust

      I'm not a paranoid deranged millionaire. Goddamit, I'm a billionaire. Howard Hughes

      http://mobile.brainyquote.com/quotes/keywords/paranoid.html

  10. Idea: Also Inform The User by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    For government information requests, Google should also send a copy of the request and the response to the user.

    1. Re:Idea: Also Inform The User by green1 · · Score: 2

      Often this would land them in pretty big trouble, many of these laws have provisions against this.

  11. Envy of Freedoms by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2

    I'm certain that the old saying, they attack because they envy our freedoms still apply. I'm certain the middle eastern people's wouldn't feel at home in the "freedom loving" country USA.

    I'm only pissed off because these stupid ideas and police state tactics, laws and such are being exported from USA to Europe so that they can comply with USG requests and of course to fill their envy quota of power grabbing from the people. USA is today, is a black hole, sucking away the light.

  12. Oh I want to know one thing.. by 3seas · · Score: 1

    who the fu& is paying for it?

    1. Re:Oh I want to know one thing.. by green1 · · Score: 1

      You are. One way or another.

  13. Re:Change! by green1 · · Score: 1

    While I agree with you on most of this, I must say, Israel has never been shy about deploying soldiers, I bet they'll be on the battlefield.

  14. What about corporate surveillance? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Without that information, we only have part of the picture.

  15. Google Surveillance Growing, Says Government by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    n/t

  16. Poor Google by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The surveillance of them is going to get really hot and heavy when the FTC sues them for anti-trust violations over their FRAND patent licensing practices.

  17. More deletion requests leading up to election! by uCallHimDrJ0NES · · Score: 2

    Wow, that's quite a spike in user content take down requests in the six months leading up to a major election! I wonder if this will repeat in 2016? My bet is that they will start auto-generating background noise requests in order to render Google's reports useless to the public. Some of those randomly selected users are going to be seriously baffled!

    --
    Cloudiot: A person who does not see offsite storage as a way to lose control over access to his or her own data.
  18. Surprised? *Government* is growing out of control by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    And they gotta make sure us little pissant subjects don't revolt, or drink a Big Gulp.

  19. And they recently patented something that can help by Zigg · · Score: 2

    When you consider that they recently patented finding people likely to be evildoers based on their social connections, well... http://tech.slashdot.org/story/12/11/09/1452243/google-patents-guilt-by-association

  20. Which agencies? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I just skimmed through the pages but didn't see which agencies were making the requests. Is it listed somewhere?

  21. NSA is now pissed that by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has clearly failed to deliver sufficient backdoors to the government specifications.

  22. And Google should know. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    They're watching everybody.

  23. meh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Oh please there is no way u can eat that.

  24. Government Surveillance Growing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Government Surveillance Growing
     
    Rain falls.
     
    Sun comes up, sun goes down.

  25. ROTFLMAO by PPH · · Score: 1

    As long as they are taking down the likes of Petraeus and now maybe General Allen, I'm fine with it.

    Not that I'm being judgmental about a bit of hanky-panky. But them that lives by the sword, dies by the sword.

    --
    Have gnu, will travel.
  26. War Department, as it used to be called... by girlinatrainingbra · · Score: 2
    Re: Defense hasn't been defense in an awfully long time

    Yeah, it used to be correctly named the Department of War, or as seen in the movies "The War Department". But I believe after WWII, they changed it to "Department of Defense" since there was no longer a current war; now considering the large number of never-ending not-declared-by-congress Wars that we are fighting on multiple fronts, the Department of War would again be the apropos moniker. It's just that it doesn't have the right political flavor for the pretense of moral superiority that "DoD" has.

  27. Google Should Know! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Google has become the USA Government's great 'Latch-Key' and righty so for all the cash, $$$$$, that the White House, i.e. Barak Obama personally receives, and DoD Executives too ... OH SHIT --- GEN. PETRAEUS -- The Fucker's a funking Greek Descendant! Greek as in Grease and BAZILLIONS of SHIT -- Holy SHIT BATMAN -- The US IS funneling GAY BUTT LOADS of $$$$ into the bank accounts (checking and savings) of Google Executives, via UBS secret accounts in Switzerland. This FUCKS everybody! Fuck THIS!

    Oh Jolly! Even the super 'genius' accountants who have 'man things' at IRS don't even have a clue to this shit. Ta Ta.

    Jolly Good. I am out'a here for a new country and identity. Maybe even a race-change operation.

    XD

  28. Oh, the irony! by chrism238 · · Score: 1

    Perhaps a merger is on the cards?

  29. Re:Medicare by drainbramage · · Score: 1

    "Medicare accounts for half of all healthcare spending in this country, and only covers a small portion of us"
    Soooo, obamacare will fix this?
    -----------------
    All you pouty boys shut up, let someone with some sense explain this.
    It really is (past) time for an explanation of how this is going to work.

    --
    No brain, no pain.
  30. Re:Change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I would be willing to bet you a very significant amount of money that we do not go to war with Iran in the next 4 years.

  31. Re:Surprised? *Government* is growing out of contr by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's because Big Gulps make you piss too much and make you fat.

  32. Re:Change! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Hope!

    Continued Gitmo!

    And coming soon: War: Iran! With israel as a special guest (not on the battlefield, you silly. But they'll be there when everybody is dead for the spoils and land)

    I know. Would have been so much better if the budget could have been balanced by killing Big Bird, women's body parts became subject to the Christian equivalent of Sharia, defense spending could have been raised way above what the Pentagon wants or the country needs, and relations with the outside world could have been restored to their Bush-era levels.

    Don't worry, I hear Jeb Bush has decided to run for president in 2016.