It isn't a Right or Left issue. It is an issue with Power not wanting to be challenged. If we must remain in a two dimensional world, then reworded: This is a bi-partisan issue.
(The Times also interviewed a man who was arrested and jailed for a week last year based partly on Google's data -- before eventually being released after the police found a more likely suspect.)
This is why dragnets are so evil. The only thing that matters is if it can be pinned on you, not whether or not you were guilty.
The warmonger and rape apologist would have been a big upgrade over what we've got.
When you compare someone who is 98% against your interests with someone who is only 93% against your interests, that statement will ring true... but still be essentially meaningless. As both are against your interests, one is just more capable than the other. Which is which is up for you to decide.
... and evidently Hillary is in charge of every intelligence agency and enforcement organization, even while not actually holding public office.
You and the conspiracy theorists can continue arguing about whatever conspiracy you all are arguing about... but what I quoted caught my eye:
The Kennedy and Bush dynasties both did what you claim and the Clinton dynasty was aiming for the same. The Clintons did not see the same success as the Kennedy and Bush dynasties, but make no mistake, the Clintons had (!!!) very deep control.
So carry on with whatever was being argued about. That is all that I wanted to make note of.
Municipal monopoly agreements DO NOT EXIST in the United States. Period.
I was going to agree with you until you said "Period". There are still agreements in place and their are still pressures to maintain municipal monopolies. But you are otherwise technically correct... the best kind of correct.
It is crazy that many countries in the world have already solved the things the US seem to struggle with.
As centralized as authority is in the USA, it is still nowhere near as centralized as it is elsewhere. Of course there will be struggles with simple stuff like this. Nobody can agree on anything and then there are always a few with an agenda trying to keep people from cooperating.
I don't like censorship in general and generally support free speech, both with common sense exceptions.
All short-sighted people subscribe to the same belief. What those idiots don't seem to realize is that what one of them considers common sense, the other does not. So you end up with a large group of idiots all disagreeing on what common sense is and in the meantime, everyone else suffers while this plays out.
I would rather the entire planet die off due to what they sawread than to censor people. Even unsufferably stupid people like myself should remain uncensored and I can't think of anyone more deserving of censorship than myself.
Not to get all RMS on your ass, but I have to ask: Are there reasonable content controls? There are socially acceptable content controls, but that is not the same as reasonable content controls.
I gotta take the RMS-style position on this: There is no such thing as reasonable content controls.
Getting the weirdos out of mainstream channels and into their own private echo-chambers means vulnerable people (teens, mentally challenged and unstable people, etc) aren't exposed to their weirdness and are far less likely to join them.
I am a weirdo.
I have some bizarre, logically unsupportable views.
How can I correct myself if I am stuck in an echo chamber?
I am a dangerous individual. Are you absolutely certain that you want to put me in an echo chamber to reinforce my views?
Hm.
How about this:
What makes you think preventing children from seeing bad things will prevent them from becoming bad?
No.
What makes you think preventing children from seeing "bad" things is protecting them better than their own minds being educated through experience in these bad things?
Fuck it. Censor reality bitch. Ensure only commonly approved GroupThink is enabled. There is nothing doubleplus ungood about that. It is better to prevent people from making a choice than giving them information and ALLOWING them to make their own choice. ALL people are too stupid to ever make the correct decision so you (well, society) should make that choice for them. They are incapable of choosing correctly by themselves.
You sir, are verifiably, a fascist. Thank you for your participation in my world. You make it such a nice and wonderful place. I would also like to thank you for removing choice from me. It is sooo difficult to decide between all these various choices. It is so much easier when someone like you separates the wheat from the chaff and presents the wheat to me. I don't know how civilization ever endured without your assistance. Fortunately for us all, there are many people just like you out there helpfully removing choices and options for us so we don't choose the wrong thing.
I am in a weird mood today. Let's just go full hostile here: Fuck you you mother fucking piece of shit asshole. (this makes it easier for us to communicate!)
(if you are moderating today, it is perfectly legitimate to mod this down even if it *might* contain a grain of truth in it, being an asshole never solves anything.)
Wow! For years, I have read your usename as Its a Loving (thinking it was a wordplay on its a living) but just now, after ALL this time, I see it as Ilsa Loving. I just did a Google search to see if it was someone famous that I should know and I find an IT manager type from Quebec. That is pretty neat.
What changed this time? So weird. Sorry for this interruption in your daily scheduled routine. Carry on carrying on. I just felt the need to share this odd incident.:)
I don't think I remember a single article about Google even accidentally leaking private information.
This actually supports your argument, but there is an incident in which information was "leaking" out of Google. Google started using SSL for internal communications because they found that the NSA had internal wiretaps a few years back.
This actually makes your overall argument stronger, even it takes exception to a single detail because the response Google had reinforces your argument.
The language Go is not going anywhere. I don't know how to verbalize what I am seeing in my mind, but the summary is that Go is, ultimately, a dead language.
Here is a best effort (very bad results): You need to be able to address all aspects of reality for a programming language to be generically useful. Go limits the ways that you can address reality; therefore, it can never replace C or Assembler.
It is impossible to create a powerful tool that is NOT dangerous in the wrong hands. Go is like handing a soldier a weapon that can only fire when it is in contact with a base station authorizing it to fire. Sure, it can work and be useful... but the failure modes are... hilarious (in a bad way).
Who cares about the recidivism rate? They are criminals and are marked as such forever.
OOooooooo. You got released after 20 years. We know you can never work in a productive job again, hell, even non-criminals have a hard time making ends meet.
Just kill all the prisoners. The population can get their taste of blood that they so desperately need and the prisoners no longer have to be concerned about finding a job with a huge black mark on their record. Everyone wins!
This is exploitation and revenue generation from a desperate and generally poor population.
So, what you are saying, is that it is business as normal. Nothing has changed throughout all of human civilization and yet people expect things to be different this time?
All we can do is clean the corruption from time to time. It will pop up anywhere there are resources to be exploited.
I kind of wish they would just get to the endgame here, but technology is not quite there yet and we saw what happens when it is attempted with less-than-adequate technology.
What makes you think voting will change any of this?
Politicians will promise all sorts of shit to get your vote, but the reality of the situation is that they have their own agenda which they are not telling you about so you can never vote intelligently because all of the information provided to you is utter shit that has no relation to actual reality. In 10 thousand years,nothing will have changed regarding politicians. They will lie (it is required, people are too stupid to deal with actual reality) and you, the voter, will always be manipulated and NEVER given any actual factual information.
It is cute that you believe the lies that dear old Bernie is spewing. He *is* a very good liar (by definition, he is a successful politician!) and he is pretty good at matching up enough of the lies with reality to get you to believe his lies... but you are still stupid for playing the game.
Bernie is greedy and self serving. Don't believe me? He is a fucking human being. How could you think otherwise?
You are blind, naive, ignorant, and working for the Establishment, despite not being aware in the slightest of any of those facts. You want Democrats to win? You are part of the Establishment. You want Republicans to win? You are part of the Establishment. You think a bad act by one person in one party is a reason to vote for the other party? Congratulations, you are playing the game, a part of the Establishment.
Try questioning the two-party system. Try questioning polarizing thinking. Try questioning voting methods. Try questioning the Media. Ask 'why'. These are things that independent thinkers will do.
You are, intentionally, just a cog and it confuses me. Do you really have that much faith in the system? Do you honestly think that any of the politicians, even the best of them, give the slightest single fuck about you or your needs, even if those needs align with their constituents needs? No. A politicians will sell you out quicker than a Catholic Priest let loose in an orphanage.
But you still believe. You believe in Democrats. You believe in Socialism. You believe that people are basically kind at heart. You. Are. Dumb. And it shows, even though you can't see it.
I also wonder if it would have a dehumanizing aspect on inmates not to see friends and families in person on a regular basis....
Of course it is dehumanizing? The pursuit of profit is almost always dehumanizing since the pursuit of profit is more important than the human. Who cares what the knock-on effects are? Profit was pursued!
Prisons should be execution camps, like Auschwitz. Just kill the people as they end up in prison. If they are in prison, they are already undesirable to have in society, so why release them and why pay to incarcerate them? Just kill them. There are 7 billion people on this planet and they will be culled sooner or later... so why not start in the prisons? Eventually, it will extend to all the inconvenient poor even before they get put into prison.
There. A perfectly managed society with no prison issues.
Jail is the only logical retirement home left. It is where I plan on retiring in a few years... if I don't die first. They certainly didn't leave enough money on the table for me to negotiate a retirement. Sure, I could have saved some money by not buying a new cell phone 5 years ago, but it would have been taken by medical bills. *shrug*
You are part of a vanishingly small number of people who think this way. I expect to be convicted and executed with no concern to my humanity despite having done nothing wrong. I imagine it is even worse for people who have done something wrong. Or maybe nobody really cares at any level and what we are seeing is just a flying shitshow of reality manifesting itself in odd and miserable ways.
I have no problems with you having no problems with this for the person wearing it.
But what about YOUR privacy? If that little fucker is anywhere near you, YOU are being recorded. What crime did you commit again? I keep forgetting these little details. Oh right, you committed the crime of not caring about the indirect effects of this thing. You are only looking at its direct effect on the criminal.
Ah well, welcome to the planet. You will fit right in bro. Fit right in.
There is nothing in TFA to indicate what they found is abnormal.
What is abnormal is the ecosystem surrounding all of this. On the planet, the entire planet is essentially the ecosystem. Checks and balances are already built in.
The ISS is an entirely different ecosystem than the planet. The checks and balances found here on the planet do not apply to that ecosystem.
That leads us to the supreme question regarding all of this:
How do these very common and normal bacteria behave when the normal checks and balances are no longer present?
TL;DR, that bacteria are normal, but the environment is abnormal.
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It isn't a Right or Left issue. It is an issue with Power not wanting to be challenged. If we must remain in a two dimensional world, then reworded: This is a bi-partisan issue.
(The Times also interviewed a man who was arrested and jailed for a week last year based partly on Google's data -- before eventually being released after the police found a more likely suspect.)
This is why dragnets are so evil. The only thing that matters is if it can be pinned on you, not whether or not you were guilty.
The warmonger and rape apologist would have been a big upgrade over what we've got.
When you compare someone who is 98% against your interests with someone who is only 93% against your interests, that statement will ring true... but still be essentially meaningless. As both are against your interests, one is just more capable than the other. Which is which is up for you to decide.
... and evidently Hillary is in charge of every intelligence agency and enforcement organization, even while not actually holding public office.
You and the conspiracy theorists can continue arguing about whatever conspiracy you all are arguing about... but what I quoted caught my eye:
The Kennedy and Bush dynasties both did what you claim and the Clinton dynasty was aiming for the same. The Clintons did not see the same success as the Kennedy and Bush dynasties, but make no mistake, the Clintons had (!!!) very deep control.
So carry on with whatever was being argued about. That is all that I wanted to make note of.
Municipal monopoly agreements DO NOT EXIST in the United States. Period.
I was going to agree with you until you said "Period". There are still agreements in place and their are still pressures to maintain municipal monopolies. But you are otherwise technically correct... the best kind of correct.
It is crazy that many countries in the world have already solved the things the US seem to struggle with.
As centralized as authority is in the USA, it is still nowhere near as centralized as it is elsewhere. Of course there will be struggles with simple stuff like this. Nobody can agree on anything and then there are always a few with an agenda trying to keep people from cooperating.
I don't like censorship in general and generally support free speech, both with common sense exceptions.
All short-sighted people subscribe to the same belief. What those idiots don't seem to realize is that what one of them considers common sense, the other does not. So you end up with a large group of idiots all disagreeing on what common sense is and in the meantime, everyone else suffers while this plays out.
I would rather the entire planet die off due to what they sawread than to censor people. Even unsufferably stupid people like myself should remain uncensored and I can't think of anyone more deserving of censorship than myself.
Ten Years. For having a hateful text document on your computer.
As time goes on, we will get further and further from our ideals. First, it was kiddie porn. Then DeCSS. Now, it is a stupid fucking manifesto.
Zeroes and ones will be regulated because the ideals that we subscribe to, we do not hold dear in our hearts. Rather like that WW2 guy:
They came for the Jews, but I said nothing because I was not a Jew.
We all know they will eventually come for you too.
And here we are with certain combinations of ones and zeroes outlawed. With more to come. Stay tuned folks!
reasonable content controls
Not to get all RMS on your ass, but I have to ask: Are there reasonable content controls? There are socially acceptable content controls, but that is not the same as reasonable content controls.
I gotta take the RMS-style position on this: There is no such thing as reasonable content controls.
Getting the weirdos out of mainstream channels and into their own private echo-chambers means vulnerable people (teens, mentally challenged and unstable people, etc) aren't exposed to their weirdness and are far less likely to join them.
I am a weirdo.
I have some bizarre, logically unsupportable views.
How can I correct myself if I am stuck in an echo chamber?
I am a dangerous individual. Are you absolutely certain that you want to put me in an echo chamber to reinforce my views?
Hm.
How about this:
What makes you think preventing children from seeing bad things will prevent them from becoming bad?
No.
What makes you think preventing children from seeing "bad" things is protecting them better than their own minds being educated through experience in these bad things?
Fuck it. Censor reality bitch. Ensure only commonly approved GroupThink is enabled. There is nothing doubleplus ungood about that. It is better to prevent people from making a choice than giving them information and ALLOWING them to make their own choice. ALL people are too stupid to ever make the correct decision so you (well, society) should make that choice for them. They are incapable of choosing correctly by themselves.
You sir, are verifiably, a fascist. Thank you for your participation in my world. You make it such a nice and wonderful place. I would also like to thank you for removing choice from me. It is sooo difficult to decide between all these various choices. It is so much easier when someone like you separates the wheat from the chaff and presents the wheat to me. I don't know how civilization ever endured without your assistance. Fortunately for us all, there are many people just like you out there helpfully removing choices and options for us so we don't choose the wrong thing.
I am in a weird mood today. Let's just go full hostile here: Fuck you you mother fucking piece of shit asshole. (this makes it easier for us to communicate!)
(if you are moderating today, it is perfectly legitimate to mod this down even if it *might* contain a grain of truth in it, being an asshole never solves anything.)
Wow! For years, I have read your usename as Its a Loving (thinking it was a wordplay on its a living) but just now, after ALL this time, I see it as Ilsa Loving. I just did a Google search to see if it was someone famous that I should know and I find an IT manager type from Quebec. That is pretty neat.
What changed this time? So weird. Sorry for this interruption in your daily scheduled routine. Carry on carrying on. I just felt the need to share this odd incident. :)
I wonder what would happen if a big company stopped shamelessly lying and just told the truth?
As Jack Nicholson once famously said, "The truth! You can't handle the truth!"
End communication.
I don't think I remember a single article about Google even accidentally leaking private information.
This actually supports your argument, but there is an incident in which information was "leaking" out of Google. Google started using SSL for internal communications because they found that the NSA had internal wiretaps a few years back.
This actually makes your overall argument stronger, even it takes exception to a single detail because the response Google had reinforces your argument.
The language Go is not going anywhere. I don't know how to verbalize what I am seeing in my mind, but the summary is that Go is, ultimately, a dead language.
Here is a best effort (very bad results):
You need to be able to address all aspects of reality for a programming language to be generically useful. Go limits the ways that you can address reality; therefore, it can never replace C or Assembler.
It is impossible to create a powerful tool that is NOT dangerous in the wrong hands. Go is like handing a soldier a weapon that can only fire when it is in contact with a base station authorizing it to fire. Sure, it can work and be useful... but the failure modes are... hilarious (in a bad way).
Who cares about the recidivism rate? They are criminals and are marked as such forever.
OOooooooo. You got released after 20 years. We know you can never work in a productive job again, hell, even non-criminals have a hard time making ends meet.
Just kill all the prisoners. The population can get their taste of blood that they so desperately need and the prisoners no longer have to be concerned about finding a job with a huge black mark on their record. Everyone wins!
This is exploitation and revenue generation from a desperate and generally poor population.
So, what you are saying, is that it is business as normal. Nothing has changed throughout all of human civilization and yet people expect things to be different this time?
All we can do is clean the corruption from time to time. It will pop up anywhere there are resources to be exploited.
I kind of wish they would just get to the endgame here, but technology is not quite there yet and we saw what happens when it is attempted with less-than-adequate technology.
What makes you think voting will change any of this?
Politicians will promise all sorts of shit to get your vote, but the reality of the situation is that they have their own agenda which they are not telling you about so you can never vote intelligently because all of the information provided to you is utter shit that has no relation to actual reality. In 10 thousand years,nothing will have changed regarding politicians. They will lie (it is required, people are too stupid to deal with actual reality) and you, the voter, will always be manipulated and NEVER given any actual factual information.
It is cute that you believe the lies that dear old Bernie is spewing. He *is* a very good liar (by definition, he is a successful politician!) and he is pretty good at matching up enough of the lies with reality to get you to believe his lies... but you are still stupid for playing the game.
Bernie is greedy and self serving. Don't believe me? He is a fucking human being. How could you think otherwise?
You are blind, naive, ignorant, and working for the Establishment, despite not being aware in the slightest of any of those facts. You want Democrats to win? You are part of the Establishment. You want Republicans to win? You are part of the Establishment. You think a bad act by one person in one party is a reason to vote for the other party? Congratulations, you are playing the game, a part of the Establishment.
Try questioning the two-party system. Try questioning polarizing thinking. Try questioning voting methods. Try questioning the Media. Ask 'why'. These are things that independent thinkers will do.
You are, intentionally, just a cog and it confuses me. Do you really have that much faith in the system?
Do you honestly think that any of the politicians, even the best of them, give the slightest single fuck about you or your needs, even if those needs align with their constituents needs? No. A politicians will sell you out quicker than a Catholic Priest let loose in an orphanage.
But you still believe. You believe in Democrats. You believe in Socialism. You believe that people are basically kind at heart. You. Are. Dumb. And it shows, even though you can't see it.
Have a nice day.
I also wonder if it would have a dehumanizing aspect on inmates not to see friends and families in person on a regular basis....
Of course it is dehumanizing? The pursuit of profit is almost always dehumanizing since the pursuit of profit is more important than the human. Who cares what the knock-on effects are? Profit was pursued!
Prisons should be execution camps, like Auschwitz. Just kill the people as they end up in prison. If they are in prison, they are already undesirable to have in society, so why release them and why pay to incarcerate them? Just kill them. There are 7 billion people on this planet and they will be culled sooner or later... so why not start in the prisons? Eventually, it will extend to all the inconvenient poor even before they get put into prison.
There. A perfectly managed society with no prison issues.
Jail is the only logical retirement home left. It is where I plan on retiring in a few years... if I don't die first. They certainly didn't leave enough money on the table for me to negotiate a retirement. Sure, I could have saved some money by not buying a new cell phone 5 years ago, but it would have been taken by medical bills. *shrug*
They're convicted criminals, not cattle.
You are part of a vanishingly small number of people who think this way. I expect to be convicted and executed with no concern to my humanity despite having done nothing wrong. I imagine it is even worse for people who have done something wrong. Or maybe nobody really cares at any level and what we are seeing is just a flying shitshow of reality manifesting itself in odd and miserable ways.
Obviously, the crime this kid did brings little sympathy... but what if surveillance technology becomes the norm for DUIs or minor drug offenses?
Everyone comes under surveillance because these devices do not just record the supposed 'perp'.
But of course, you were begging someone to say that.
You're not wrong, if that is any consolation. Most people still won't get what you are saying though. It is not a 'direct' effect.
I have no problems with you having no problems with this for the person wearing it.
But what about YOUR privacy? If that little fucker is anywhere near you, YOU are being recorded. What crime did you commit again? I keep forgetting these little details. Oh right, you committed the crime of not caring about the indirect effects of this thing. You are only looking at its direct effect on the criminal.
Ah well, welcome to the planet. You will fit right in bro. Fit right in.
On the bright side, this is also a flaming endorsement for Microsoft products. You can always count on Microsoft products! (to fail)
There is nothing in TFA to indicate what they found is abnormal.
What is abnormal is the ecosystem surrounding all of this. On the planet, the entire planet is essentially the ecosystem. Checks and balances are already built in.
The ISS is an entirely different ecosystem than the planet. The checks and balances found here on the planet do not apply to that ecosystem.
That leads us to the supreme question regarding all of this:
How do these very common and normal bacteria behave when the normal checks and balances are no longer present?
TL;DR, that bacteria are normal, but the environment is abnormal.